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Posted 03 May 2020 - 10:58 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

At this point it's getting hard to decide, either one or the other, or a mixture, i.e. Laboratory testing Into new diseases possibly occurring via the wet markets, but either way China is more and more coming to the fore in being complicit in a whole sale cover up that is on the point of destroying the civilised world how we currently know it.
Would you disagree?

Well it originated from one or the other, personally I’d wait and see

It’s pretty obvious that Trump and Pompeo wants to promote the lab theory because he’s commanded his intelligence agencies to come up with the ‘evidence’ and they’ll be plenty of camp followers.

https://www.msnbc.co...encies-n1197721

It’s his 2020 election slogan, make China pay in the same way that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, well it didn’t. His options, more tariffs or defaulting on US debt held China, well that’ll be the final straw for the world economy
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Posted 03 May 2020 - 11:05 PM

View Postazul, on 03 May 2020 - 10:58 PM, said:

Well it originated from one or the other, personally I’d wait and see

It’s pretty obvious that Trump and Pompeo wants to promote the lab theory because he’s commanded his intelligence agencies to come up with the ‘evidence’ and they’ll be plenty of camp followers.

https://www.msnbc.co...encies-n1197721

It’s his 2020 election slogan, make China pay in the same way that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, well it didn’t. His options, more tariffs or defaulting on US debt held China, well that’ll be the final straw for the world economy

Il hold my hands up, when Trump won the presidential election I actually thought .well done mate.. now get on with it, but he's proven himself to be a first class tw..4t who's unfit to hold the position, but, and whatever his opinions and views on China are, it shouldn't distract from the culpability of that country. They are in debt to the world over this.
Edit ..and I'll be the first to say, before it's pointed out to me..��..I'm glad Boris won the election, and I'm thinking ..now get on with it mate.. so we'll see how that pans out!

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Posted 03 May 2020 - 11:11 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

Il hold my hands up, when Trump won the presidential election I actually thought .well done mate.. now get on with it, but he's proven himself to be a first class tw..4t who's unfit to hold the position, but, and whatever his opinions and views on China are, it shouldn't distract from the culpability of that country. They are in debt to the world over this.

Trump 💝 President Xi

However the post Corvid world could be an even more dangerous place if this stuff continues
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Posted 03 May 2020 - 11:14 PM

View Postazul, on 03 May 2020 - 11:11 PM, said:

Trump 💝 President Xi

However the post Corvid world could be an even more dangerous place if this stuff continues

True my friend, right I'm off for the night. Keep safe!
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Posted 03 May 2020 - 11:19 PM

Great news at last

https://www.independ...e-a9496696.html

Just what we need, closer relations with the EU - well done Bozo

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 01:19 AM

Some people think it’s still the Cold War, or the international brigades in Spain and cant see past it being the fault of 20th century capitalism/nationalism.





Being objective I’d cite these examples.



Portion down duped squaddies in the past to be dummies for chemical warfare testing. Hundreds of serving soldiers were lied too and subjected to chemical ware fare agents to study effects of agents. A crime against the people of the UK. IMO Yet to be satisfactory answered.





3 mile island was covered up for up to 5 weeks to minimise the damage to the U.S.





Windscale was covered up initially in the early 50s, although the full risks of nuclear disasters was under estimated by many, but the few who didn’t thankfully insisted on the filters fitted to the top of the piles and renamed due to the stigma.





Chernobyl needs no comment.




That was then, this is now. Is China really not ready to move from the 20th century to the 21st.?




Are people really trying to defend China by saying all you naughty boys in the west X Y and Z?
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 01:24 AM

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Trump 💝 President Xi

However the post Corvid world could be an even more dangerous place if this stuff continues


Trump versus President Xi?




A nightmare world I don’t even want to think about. Two megalomaniac psychopaths heading the two most powerful economies and armed for on the planet. One playing the long game, one a Wild West gun slinger.




Oh dear. Oh my.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 09:47 AM

View PostDEATH, on 04 May 2020 - 01:19 AM, said:

Some people think it’s still the Cold War, or the international brigades in Spain and cant see past it being the fault of 20th century capitalism/nationalism.





Being objective I’d cite these examples.



Portion down duped squaddies in the past to be dummies for chemical warfare testing. Hundreds of serving soldiers were lied too and subjected to chemical ware fare agents to study effects of agents. A crime against the people of the UK. IMO Yet to be satisfactory answered.





3 mile island was covered up for up to 5 weeks to minimise the damage to the U.S.





Windscale was covered up initially in the early 50s, although the full risks of nuclear disasters was under estimated by many, but the few who didn’t thankfully insisted on the filters fitted to the top of the piles and renamed due to the stigma.





Chernobyl needs no comment.




That was then, this is now. Is China really not ready to move from the 20th century to the 21st.?




Are people really trying to defend China by saying all you naughty boys in the west X Y and Z?

Then there was the contaminated blood and the CJD scandals both covered up for as long as possible. The other big one was the deportation of orphan British children into slavery in Australia which took 30 years for the government to admit and apologize for. This country also has many things in the closet that shame us
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 12:18 PM

View Postfishini, on 04 May 2020 - 09:47 AM, said:

Then there was the contaminated blood and the CJD scandals both covered up for as long as possible. The other big one was the deportation of orphan British children into slavery in Australia which took 30 years for the government to admit and apologize for. This country also has many things in the closet that shame us

That’s very true. The contamination blood was scandalous



Many kids sent to Australia ended up being abused in catholic orphanages
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 12:19 PM

View PostDEATH, on 04 May 2020 - 01:19 AM, said:

Some people think it’s still the Cold War, or the international brigades in Spain and cant see past it being the fault of 20th century capitalism/nationalism.

Being objective I’d cite these examples.

Portion down duped squaddies in the past to be dummies for chemical warfare testing. Hundreds of serving soldiers were lied too and subjected to chemical ware fare agents to study effects of agents. A crime against the people of the UK. IMO Yet to be satisfactory answered.

3 mile island was covered up for up to 5 weeks to minimise the damage to the U.S.

Windscale was covered up initially in the early 50s, although the full risks of nuclear disasters was under estimated by many, but the few who didn’t thankfully insisted on the filters fitted to the top of the piles and renamed due to the stigma.

Chernobyl needs no comment.

That was then, this is now. Is China really not ready to move from the 20th century to the 21st.?

Are people really trying to defend China by saying all you naughty boys in the west X Y and Z?


Good post, Rob.

It's just not binary, is it. Some sort of 'guilty China v innocent west'. How does the old saying go - power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely? Guess that pretty much sums it up. And we could easily add the names of folk demoted or somehow silenced in both Britain and America to your list. None more so than medics told to keep quiet about PPE shortages or the top civil servant who clearly stated it was a political decision to snub the pan-European PPE procurement project only to then retract. After obviously being threatened.

But I'll happily join any boycott of Chinese goods to force change. Problem is will we be joined by those who've spent years trumpeting them as post Brexit trade partners? Those endorsing their investment in, say, British steel? Those profiting from Chinese business deals? Because I've a sneaking feeling those shouting loudest about Huawei, for example, might fall readily into these brackets.

Then there're the sickening scenes of our friends the Norwegians (I think) herding highly intelligent whales onto a beach before butchering them alive. Where's the anger towards them? Where're the demands that be shut down? Should we tell 'em to stick their Xmas tree up the fjord next December? Or do the same people fetishising fox hunting think the Chinese have a monopoly on barbarity.

Point is it's the height of hypocrisy to pick and choose who we vilify, here. Or to condemn western journo's for pursuing truths the same critics demand of China. It's virtually beyond doubt that Covid started in a disgusting market and was covered up by an equally disgusting regime. However let's not fall into Trump's trap of focussing entirely upon that to divert from both his and our own government's bankruptcies…

EDIT: as if to underline the multiple blame thing there's this: https://www.telegrap...virus-outbreak/

Yes the Chinese covered-up Covid knowledge - but then so did our government!

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 01:16 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

Il hold my hands up, when Trump won the presidential election I actually thought .well done mate.. now get on with it, but he's proven himself to be a first class tw..4t who's unfit to hold the position, but, and whatever his opinions and views on China are, it shouldn't distract from the culpability of that country. They are in debt to the world over this.
Edit ..and I'll be the first to say, before it's pointed out to me..��..I'm glad Boris won the election, and I'm thinking ..now get on with it mate.. so we'll see how that pans out!


Well said, pal.

And here're a couple more visits to Trump's twisted world: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

He once boasted he could shoot someone and not lose a single vote. Well he's overseeing by far the world's worst Covid casualties so let's see how that pans out at the polls...
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 02:53 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 02 May 2020 - 09:28 PM, said:

My son was at Uni of Surrey, he was pretty impressed. I was paying so less so....

Thanks for all you are doing, hope all goes well and if you can make a home game next season let me know and I will sort hospitality for you and a guest to say thanks

That's a very kind and thoughtful gesture but honestly there is no need. I get embarrassed when I skip the queue at Tesco. I'm just doing my job as a great many others do who get nowhere near the acclaim the NHS seems to get.

I'm not paying for the room and we are getting a daily allowance for food so I cant claim any type of hardship. I did see how much the rooms are going for to normal students and its eye watering. Nice but a room in a shared apartment with 7 other people isnt worth the same as a 3 bed semi in Town.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 03:31 PM

View PostSearch and Destroy, on 10 March 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

Amazing really, one of the biggest threats to the world since the war and no thread

Can’t believe Cheltenham goes ahead

What are we, 10 days behind Italy?

Looks like only Japan are dealing with it

Ok folk, what about a little game of guessing the first UK fatality free date, to pass the time?
My guess is Friday the 15th.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 03:53 PM

View Postdim view, on 04 May 2020 - 03:31 PM, said:

Ok folk, what about a little game of guessing the first UK fatality free date, to pass the time?
My guess is Friday the 15th.

Slightly morbid game it has to be said

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 04:24 PM

View Postdim view, on 04 May 2020 - 03:31 PM, said:

Ok folk, what about a little game of guessing the first UK fatality free date, to pass the time?
My guess is Friday the 15th.

Not a chance with still over 300 hospital deaths per day in England and more in care homes June at the very earliest. I'd even say August.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:01 PM

Next year someone
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:18 PM

View PostMr Mercury, on 04 May 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

Not a chance with still over 300 hospital deaths per day in England and more in care homes June at the very earliest. I'd even say August.

I didn’t think he was being serious, I had assumed he playing a very poor joke in very poor taste. What year and all that, ho ho

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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:38 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 24 March 2020 - 07:52 PM, said:

How was the Pat Wicks workout?
Lot of people doing it - but getting loads of abuse in the ‘fitness community’ (probably jealousy as he’s raking it in this week)!



Joe’s Mrs, Rosie did the workout this morning, she’s amazing in that gym gear
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:41 PM

Done it every day so far, did the one minute challenge today, managed 64 squats, 64 press ups but a pitiful 18 full chest down burpees

Consistent in the keepy uppies though, average of 70 on ten goes
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:47 PM

Steps have gone through the roof though, 186000 last week, 136kms

Slipped in a steady 24100 so far today

Such steppage

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