[isleaiw1]

Mr Mercury, on 02 May 2020 - 09:21 PM, said:

The way were talking about easing measures I doubt the second spike will be anywhere near as bad as the first.

Really? I would say the best chance of the second spike not being too bad is how bad we have been at enforcing the lockdown on first run.

This could still be going next year at this time if we dont all do the right thing... which means we will, as the country seems to be full of selfish sh 1 ts....

[plannerj]

isleaiw1, on 02 May 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

Really? I would say the best chance of the second spike not being too bad is how bad we have been at enforcing the lockdown on first run.

This could still be going next year at this time if we dont all do the right thing... which means we will, as the country seems to be full of selfish sh 1 ts....

Spot on!

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

I was referencing Pete's first hand account - that's PERSONAL EXPERIENCE- of how his test was included but didn't actually happen.

But I can see how someone desperate to avoid the facts would miss that.

And in't it funny how folk who constantly accuse China of lying say word zero when Bozo's bunch are (yet again) caught red handed...

Just take Petes off the total then��

Remember though if we are counting Petes test then we are not counting the tests that were returned that day as they’ve already been counted

But seriously, using Petes test as a reason to compare us with China who have silenced or made Doctors “disappear “, destroyed
laboratory evidence, refusing to provide live samples to international scientists trying to create a vaccine deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the Coronavirus outbreak in an assault on international transparency that has costs 10s of 1000s of lives...

Yeah, the U.K. are just like China.

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 03 May 2020 - 09:40 AM

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Search and Destroy, on 03 May 2020 - 09:40 AM, said:

Just take Petes off the total then��

Remember though if we are counting Petes test then we are not counting the tests that were returned that day as they’ve already been counted

But seriously, using Petes test as a reason to compare us with China who have silenced or made Doctors “disappear “, destroyed
laboratory evidence, refusing to provide live samples to international scientists trying to create a vaccine deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the Coronavirus outbreak in an assault on international transparency that has costs 10s of 1000s of lives...

Yeah, the U.K. are just like China.

You're more than bright enough to understand my point just as viewers are more than bright enough to understand why you're evading it.

And China, Trump, Johnson or Hancock; lies are lies wherever their source. It's just some folk are highly selective which they call out.

Anyway, here're some more first hand facts for you to deny: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Then speaking of transparency: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

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Interesting: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

[dart in the crossbar]

Anybody know anything about the infection periods for those currently dying in the UK or England?

There could be two extremes I guess:

1) All were infected during the lockdown period;

2) All were infected prior to the lockdown period.

Another relevant question is:

To what extent has behaviour changed during the lockdown - ie what is the evidence that people are already taking more risks / increasing the chances of infection.

Given that death rates remain high, if it's '1', and people are taking more risks as the lockdown continues, it's hard to see how releasing the lockdown would result in anything other than a spike in deaths. We're hardly starting from low daily numbers

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The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 May 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

You're more than bright enough to understand my point just as viewers are more than bright enough to understand why you're evading it.

And China, Trump, Johnson or Hancock; lies are lies wherever their source. It's just some folk are highly selective which they call out.

Anyway, here're some more first hand facts for you to deny: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Then speaking of transparency: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Why would I deny there’s a global shortage of PPE ?

Not helped by stuff like this

https://www.theguard...ely-selling-ppe

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https://www.google.c...-shortages/amp/

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 May 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

You're more than bright enough to understand my point just as viewers are more than bright enough to understand why you're evading it.

And China, Trump, Johnson or Hancock; lies are lies wherever their source. It's just some folk are highly selective which they call out.

Anyway, here're some more first hand facts for you to deny: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Then speaking of transparency: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

There's another three page article in today's Mail on Sunday regarding China's cover up. It makes chilling reading and if there's any modicum of truth in it then China is in debt to the whole world. Yes lies are lies, but those which try to avert political scrutiny, and any extra deaths caused by being unprepared deserve calling out and eventually repercussions, surely pale into insignificance against lies that will kill untold thousands, ruin millions of lives and have put the World on the brink of financial oblivion that will take years to recover from, some people will live with the fall out for the rest of their lives.
Yes it appears we, along with all other nations, were dramatically unprepared for this pandemic and yes if previous reports had been listened to we may have had a head start, but surely if China had been open and transparent from the very start this disaster could have been controlled a lot better?

[fishini]

Mr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 07:30 PM, said:

There's another three page article in today's Mail on Sunday regarding China's cover up. It makes chilling reading and if there's any modicum of truth in it then China is in debt to the whole world. Yes lies are lies, but those which try to avert political scrutiny, and any extra deaths caused by being unprepared deserve calling out and eventually repercussions, surely pale into insignificance against lies that will kill untold thousands, ruin millions of lives and have put the World on the brink of financial oblivion that will take years to recover from, some people will live with the fall out for the rest of their lives.
Yes it appears we, along with all other nations, were dramatically unprepared for this pandemic and yes if previous reports had been listened to we may have had a head start, but surely if China had been open and transparent from the very start this disaster could have been controlled a lot better?

True what you say but I ask you would any country put their hands up to the world and say we have dropped a boluck? Would they warn the world of the oncoming disaster? Or would they try to clean it in house until it was too late? I'm certainly not standing up for China but are you confident that other countries wouldn't have acted in the same way?

[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 03 May 2020 - 08:10 PM, said:

True what you say but I ask you would any country put their hands up to the world and say we have dropped a boluck? Would they warn the world of the oncoming disaster? Or would they try to clean it in house until it was too late? I'm certainly not standing up for China but are you confident that other countries wouldn't have acted in the same way?

[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 03 May 2020 - 08:10 PM, said:

True what you say but I ask you would any country put their hands up to the world and say we have dropped a boluck? Would they warn the world of the oncoming disaster? Or would they try to clean it in house until it was too late? I'm certainly not standing up for China but are you confident that other countries wouldn't have acted in the same way?

Would any other country, other than a very small hand full of others, ever be in that position, either from their ethical or practical means?

Edit, genuine question..do you really think that the Western World would allow laboratories and the wet markets to be run in the same hap hazard way that China appears to allow?

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 03 May 2020 - 08:30 PM

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Mr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 08:22 PM, said:

Would any other country, other than a very small hand full of others, ever be in that position, either from their ethical or practical means?

Edit, genuine question..do you really think that the Western World would allow laboratories and the wet markets to be run in the same hap hazard way that China appears to allow?

Maybe Nth Korea or Russia

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 08:22 PM, said:

Would any other country, other than a very small hand full of others, ever be in that position, either from their ethical or practical means?

Edit, genuine question..do you really think that the Western World would allow laboratories and the wet markets to be run in the same hap hazard way that China appears to allow?

Unless you read the Mail and are a believer, it is hard to comment. Nobody knows how our labs a run and will never know unless something goes wrong. I’m sure I read that a smallpox sample was left on a train a while back.

As far as Chinese style wet markets go, I’m not sure there is an equivalent in the western ‘developed’ countries, so I think that is much more clear cut.

I guess pig and poultry factory farms especially in the USA are the nearest we have risk factor wise. This is one potential area virologists worry about. They don’t chlorinate the produce for fun

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The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 May 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

You're more than bright enough to understand my point just as viewers are more than bright enough to understand why you're evading it.

And China, Trump, Johnson or Hancock; lies are lies wherever their source. It's just some folk are highly selective which they call out.

Anyway, here're some more first hand facts for you to deny: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

Then speaking of transparency: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartanntp

I think it is a mistake to draw equivalence between China, America and us

China is a authoritarian government with a state run media, Trump is a wannabe authoritarian who wants a state run media and our government admires Trump

[Mr Mercury]

azul, on 03 May 2020 - 09:22 PM, said:

Unless you read the Mail and are a believer, it is hard to comment. Nobody knows how our labs a run and will never know unless something goes wrong. I’m sure I read that a smallpox sample was left on a train a while back.

As far as Chinese style wet markets go, I’m not sure there is an equivalent in the western ‘developed’ countries, so I think that is much more clear cut.

I guess pig and poultry factory farms especially in the USA are the nearest we have risk factor wise. This is one potential area virologists worry about. They don’t chlorinate the produce for fun

There are many more outlets other than the Mail that are questioning China, there was even a small article in the Mirror, my regular daily delivered paper believe it or not, that mentioned an international dossier, although it was in the smaller column inches, and I doubt you really believe that our, or German, French or American labs, for example, would be party to such secretive and world destructive leaks?

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 03 May 2020 - 10:22 PM, said:

There are many more outlets other than the Mail that are questioning China, there was even a small article in the Mirror, my regular daily delivered paper believe it or not, that mentioned an international dossier, although it was in the smaller column inches, and I doubt you really believe that our, or German, French or American labs, for example, would be party to such secretive and world destructive leaks?

So are you saying you believe the virus came from a lab and not a wet market?

This post has been edited by azul: 03 May 2020 - 10:29 PM

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azul, on 03 May 2020 - 10:20 PM, said:

I think it is a mistake to draw equivalence between China, America and us

China is a authoritarian government with a state run media, Trump is a wannabe authoritarian who wants a state run media and our government admires Trump

The Chinese president could order a cover up of world altering significance and enforce its implementation, I doubt Trump or Boris could sanction a cover up of their scientists, mass media or general populous in the way that appears to have happened over covid19!

[Mr Mercury]

azul, on 03 May 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

So are you saying you believe the virus came from a lab and not a wet market?

At this point it's getting hard to decide, either one or the other, or a mixture, i.e. Laboratory testing Into new diseases possibly occurring via the wet markets, but either way China is more and more coming to the fore in being complicit in a whole sale cover up that is on the point of destroying the civilised world how we currently know it.
Would you disagree?

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 03 May 2020 - 10:41 PM

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azul, on 03 May 2020 - 10:25 PM, said:

So are you saying you believe the virus came from a lab and not a wet market?

Or putting this in laymans terms, or late night wine o'clock terms, does it really matter what I believe is the cause, is it from some dirty bustards eating bats marinated in dog s4..ite with a side order of cat urine gravy and pangolin crisps, or is it some doomsday testing by the mad scientists of Wuhan to reduce the ageing out of control population of China, either way it's pretty clear where the whole blame of this absolute nightmare should lie, and it's not at the door of 10 Downing Street or 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 03 May 2020 - 11:00 PM