[Wooden Spoon]

Search and Destroy said:

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How would you rate SKS so far?

Seems to be taking a very level headed approach, appreciates the difficulties and doesn't seem to be using covid as a political football

Good signs going forward

Looking at your somewhat "footballification" approach, you can't agree with the Labour leader can you?

Hes been smart enough to not politicise the crisis yet, and just ask some mildly probing questions. A smart move, he’s been well advised and is being the grey man. Once this is over, and the enquiry’s into PPE, meetings, advice and actions on, stockpiling and so much more, then he can take the gloves off, and get stuck into them.





So yeah I’m impressed so far, he’s done nothing at all apart from be smart.

[Wooden Spoon]

Goku said:

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If Starmer is appeasing S&D I'd say he has much work to do lol

(I voted for him too)

No way. If SKS is appeasing S+D he’s appealing to those who may not normally vote labour. And that’s what you need to do to oust the tories.





You can have any plans you like, you can promise what you want, but if your not gaining the confidence of the middle England voters then it means nothing. You have to appeal to many, not the converted.





So far, he’s doing the right thing.

[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant. said:

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Surely a fact has to be true,otherwise it wouldn't be a fact.

Not in fishini world.




The nazis were the only country to have death camps. So he hates Germans, the fact is, they weren’t the only ones. They were the worst, but they were not alone.




That doesn’t suit his narrow agenda so he doesn’t like it.

[fishini]

DEATH, on 30 April 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

Not in fishini world.




The nazis were the only country to have death camps. So he hates Germans, the fact is, they weren’t the only ones. They were the worst, but they were not alone.




That doesn’t suit his narrow agenda so he doesn’t like it.

I feel oh so humble that so many on here are bothered about what I think. Just a small question death (who would use that as a name?) What is my agenda?

[Mr Mercury]

DEATH, on 30 April 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

Not in fishini world.




The nazis were the only country to have death camps. So he hates Germans, the fact is, they weren’t the only ones. They were the worst, but they were not alone.




That doesn’t suit his narrow agenda so he doesn’t like it.

The basis of all this is that we live in a democracy....people should be able to vote for who they want to without vitriol from others, they should be free to make their own choices without ridicule, they can mark their X without explanation or apologising for their choice, they should be able to make different choices at different times, again without having to explain to those with differing views or opposing opinions, and they themselves should accept the opposing views of others. Sadly there are a some that post on this forum that cannot accept people are allowed to have different opinions without labelling them in some offensive way or other.
I made a difficult choice at this last election to vote Conservative after a lifetime supporting Labour, I didnt ask for acceptance nor do i expect it. What I do ask for, and what some on this board don't give, is respect for my view.
The people who post on here who I have the greatest respect for , whether I agree with them or not, are those that air their opinions, not only from behind the keyboard, but will quite happily meet away from the secrecy of the forum, do away with an on screen persona and have a chat, a beer, handshake and a discussion in a jovial, adult manner.
Sadly many won't do that, and it seems that those that resort to the more aggressive type of posting are those that wish to keep their anonymity!

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 30 April 2020 - 09:58 PM

[Search & Destroy]

The Panarama PPE documentary

https://www.thetimes...rZUJnzQ2MBftSpE

[Search & Destroy]

DEATH, on 30 April 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

Hes been smart enough to not politicise the crisis yet, and just ask some mildly probing questions. A smart move, he’s been well advised and is being the grey man. Once this is over, and the enquiry’s into PPE, meetings, advice and actions on, stockpiling and so much more, then he can take the gloves off, and get stuck into them.





So yeah I’m impressed so far, he’s done nothing at all apart from be smart.

There will be a full, thorough public enquiry I’d imagine

[plannerj]

fishini, on 30 April 2020 - 07:56 PM, said:

The fact is that unless you hear/see something for yourself then it can't be a fact just speculation and hearsay. Facts are overrated and untrustworthy.

When you get to my age you can’t always believe what you see. And that’s a fact!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 30 April 2020 - 10:04 PM, said:

The Panarama PPE documentary

https://www.thetimes...rZUJnzQ2MBftSpE

Most of the piece is behind a paywall. So does it mention the company saying their attempts to assist the government were ignored? Were they Corbyn commies? Did it say what political allegiencies the hundred or more frontline staff who've died had? Did it say the figures proving individual gloves and paper towels had been included in PPE numbers were wrong?

I guess not, as they were official government stats. Which're always accurate, aren't they.

Predictable 'shoot the messenger' stuff. And on the day we became the third worst hit nation in the world. What's strange though, is the same paper carried a report probably more critical of Bozo's bunch only a week or so before...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 01 May 2020 - 06:19 AM

[Search & Destroy]

Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just supplying the link, folk can decipher as they see fit

[Search & Destroy]

Another report here

There’s probably more

https://www.google.c...ansparency/amp/


Was it biased?

Dunno but like the report says, just find someone to interview who’s not a Labour Party activist and then you don’t encounter these accusations

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 01 May 2020 - 06:41 AM

[Search & Destroy]

Appears Quite damning really, what were the BBC thinking?

https://www.politica...bour-activists/

[azul]

That is a far right website isn’t it?

And I’m not referring to Telegraph either which uses Trot in the headline - who actually uses that term these days?

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[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 07:29 AM, said:

Appears Quite damning really, what were the BBC thinking?

https://www.politica...bour-activists/

So you are saying only labour supporters criticize the government.
How many would it be possible do you think to find who believe the government has done a good job in relation to the NHS? I would imagine that over the weeks all the fantastic health workers that have condemned the government come from all sides of the political spectrum.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 07:29 AM, said:

Appears Quite damning really, what were the BBC thinking?

https://www.politica...bour-activists/

So just smearing from the paper that paid Bozo over a quarter mill to spout largely fact-free propaganda and some obscure right wing web page.

Which I'm kinda wondering why you access.

And can they substantiate that anyone featured was a 'trot'? Someone following Leon Trotsky's writings? Or is that just another dog whistle word to get the uninformed and ignorant frothing at the mouth.

I suggest you spend your time dealing with the issues instead; us having the third worst death rate in the world, official PPE numbers being manipulated, frontline staff repeatedly left unprotected, the government downgrading the worst virus in a century because they'd totally failed to prepare and companies I'm pretty sure aren't run by 'trots' sending gear abroad because Bozo's bunch didn't reply.

Because otherwise it looks like outlets seeking to divert the gullible might've succeeded...

[frearsghost]

Search and Destroy, on 01 May 2020 - 07:29 AM, said:

Appears Quite damning really, what were the BBC thinking?

https://www.politica...bour-activists/

Link here: BBC bias, yet again. Time to end the licence fee.

https://order-order....ical-broadcast/

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 01 May 2020 - 09:55 AM

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 30 April 2020 - 09:41 PM, said:

The basis of all this is that we live in a democracy....people should be able to vote for who they want to without vitriol from others, they should be free to make their own choices without ridicule, they can mark their X without explanation or apologising for their choice, they should be able to make different choices at different times, again without having to explain to those with differing views or opposing opinions, and they themselves should accept the opposing views of others. Sadly there are a some that post on this forum that cannot accept people are allowed to have different opinions without labelling them in some offensive way or other.

If you are on a discussion forum I don’t understand why it’s an issue asking people to explain their ‘differing views’, isn’t that the whole point? Am I missing summat?

A view doesn’t automatically deserve respect. If somebody says ‘let’s sink ships of illegal immigrants’ (soz S&D it’s always the first one that comes to mind) I do not have to respect that view.

Anyway I didn’t watch the panorama doc. Are we saying that any political affiliation of any doctor/surgeon/nurse/whoever should be declared during the show? I’m trying to figure out if that’s a good idea or not.

This post has been edited by Goku: 01 May 2020 - 10:00 AM

[Search & Destroy]

frearsghost, on 01 May 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

Link here: BBC bias, yet again. Time to end the licence fee.

https://order-order....ical-broadcast/

Crazy that they do this, instantly removes all credibility

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 May 2020 - 09:47 AM, said:

So just smearing from the paper that paid Bozo over a quarter mill to spout largely fact-free propaganda and some obscure right wing web page.

Which I'm kinda wondering why you access.

And can they substantiate that anyone featured was a 'trot'? Someone following Leon Trotsky's writings? Or is that just another dog whistle word to get the uninformed and ignorant frothing at the mouth.

I suggest you spend your time dealing with the issues instead; us having the third worst death rate in the world, official PPE numbers being manipulated, frontline staff repeatedly left unprotected, the government downgrading the worst virus in a century because they'd totally failed to prepare and companies I'm pretty sure aren't run by 'trots' sending gear abroad because Bozo's bunch didn't reply.

Because otherwise it looks like outlets seeking to divert the gullible might've succeeded...

You think that programme wasn’t biased?

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 01 May 2020 - 10:05 AM

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 30 April 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Without the press or media where do you get your facts from?

In my case I use professional scepticism (what my job is based on) to look at what they say and see whether in all likelihood it is a story to sell or a fact based truth. I treat most of it as the former until there is something to prove the latter.

The old adage of there is no smoke without fire doesnt hold true anymore, in so many cases. But is still correct in some. Distinguishing is getting impossible so disbelieve everything until you have reason not to.

And because I think (nearly) all politicians are only in it for themselves and the press and headline writers with not much beneath it, I am happy to ignore most of what one writes or says about the other - whichever party is involved.

Of course if I held strong prejudices which coloured how I read stuff then I wouldnt be able to do it....

[Search & Destroy]

fishini, on 01 May 2020 - 09:43 AM, said:

So you are saying only labour supporters criticize the government.
How many would it be possible do you think to find who believe the government has done a good job in relation to the NHS? I would imagine that over the weeks all the fantastic health workers that have condemned the government come from all sides of the political spectrum.

I’m saying that if the BBC hadn’t used Labour Party activists they wouldn’t have left themselves open to the accusations of bias