[SpireiteFitzy]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 12:45 PM, said:

You should show some gratitude, Farrers delivered you your freedom, he removed your shackles

Congratulations S & D. After years of trying hard with a back catalogue of ridiculous statements you've finally scaled the summit of Mount WUM with a 10/10 one

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[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 April 2020 - 11:06 AM, said:

In a perverse sense I give 'em credit.

They know what's coming yet're still professional - or perhaps arrogant - enough to put themselves forward.

But I see Alan Sugar's joined some half-assed 'Twitter' thing calling for journalists - from across the media spectrum, by the way - to go easy on the government. In the name of an unspecified 'national interest'.

Well I can't see anything more in the national interest than exposing incompetence and lies - especially when it's costing the lives of front line staff those incompetents and liars hypocritically applaud every Thursday.

And mark my words - it'll be the very same people accusing China of suppressing the facts that're advocating it here...

so Chris you say costing lives and 21000 deaths in a previous post - do you have evidence that if the government had done things differently less people would have died? if not its sensational story telling for self publicity just like the gutter press...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

This piece confirms France include ALL deaths in their figures: https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

[JonB]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 01:07 PM, said:

That’ll be down to France if that happens

But only because we put them in a position where it ended up happening...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

isleaiw1, on 28 April 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

so Chris you say costing lives and 21000 deaths in a previous post - do you have evidence that if the government had done things differently less people would have died? if not its sensational story telling for self publicity just like the gutter press...

Germany...South Korea...Australia...New Zealand...to name just four who 'did things differently' and lost far fewer lives per capita.

Then there's the 'Panorama' episode I've posted a link to.

Then there's the 'Telegraph' piece I've just posted a link to.

Then there's the latest minister made to look stupid on 'GMB'.

Then there's the recent Times report.

Then there's the Mail's criticism.

Not sure what evidence you want Ian, but when media from across the political spectrum have exposed ignored warnings, snubbed opportunities and downright deceit (individual gloves and paper towels being included in PPE figures? Really?) it's not 'sensational story telling for self publicity' to echo it on here...

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[Search & Destroy]

JonB, on 28 April 2020 - 01:30 PM, said:

But only because we put them in a position where it ended up happening...

Why’s that?

There’s no problem going from Switzerland into France so why would there be problems going into France from the UK?

Norway Sweden border the same, cars rarely stop

Typical scaremongering

[fishini]

isleaiw1, on 28 April 2020 - 01:18 PM, said:

so Chris you say costing lives and 21000 deaths in a previous post - do you have evidence that if the government had done things differently less people would have died? if not its sensational story telling for self publicity just like the gutter press...

Well Mr White Line. That is a rather silly line from you is it not? How can you have evidence for some thing that didn't happen? If they had locked down earlier, tested and traced, stopped Cheltenham, stopped the Liverpool match, stopped flights in unchecked, provided PPE and not abandoned care homes, then we could say all that could be done was done. However they didn't so I would hazard a guess the fatalities would have been less if they had. Do you think if they had gone down the other route they would be the same, more or less? I don't know but I believe the numbers would be better than they are now. They couldn't have been any worse but we will now never know.

[Mr Mercury]

Watched the minutes silence on Sky News earlier and then it cut to a speech by the hospital chaplain at Burton hospital. Really surprised when she finished that the crowd were obviously intermingling and dispersing in some cases shoulder to shoulder a few people even patted the vicar on the back. Heroes everyone of them and deserve medals and massive pay rises, and any equipment they need but this distancing thing in public needs to be kept up!

[Search & Destroy]

German medic claims virus is 'comparatively harmless'

Coronavirus is a 'comparatively harmless' disease which is only deadly in 'exceptional cases', a German medical examiner has claimed.

Klaus Pueschel said the dead patients he had examined in Hamburg all had underlying conditions and many 'would have died in the course of this year, even if that sounds harsh'.

The professor said the 'astronomical economic damage' caused by the lockdown was 'not proportionate' to the danger posed by Covid-19.

Speaking to local media, he said: 'Everyone we've examined had cancer, a chronic lung disease, was a heavy smoker or very overweight, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease.

'Covid-19 is only a deadly disease in exceptional cases, in most cases it's an overwhelmingly harmless viral infection.

'This virus is influencing our lives in an excessive way. It does not correspond to the danger that the virus poses.

'We don't have Italian conditions in Germany. We have a good health system and I'm convinced we can master this pandemic.'

Coronavirus victims who were otherwise thought to be healthy may actually have had underlying conditions which they did not know about, he said.

'What you can say for Hamburg is that we’ve only had deaths among people who generally had several underlying conditions and an average age clearly the other side of 70,' he said.

'Healthy people will get through this comparatively harmless viral infection within one or two weeks and quickly forget about it,' he said.

'We can't prevent people from being infected.'

[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 03:55 PM, said:

German medic claims virus is 'comparatively harmless'

Coronavirus is a 'comparatively harmless' disease which is only deadly in 'exceptional cases', a German medical examiner has claimed.

Klaus Pueschel said the dead patients he had examined in Hamburg all had underlying conditions and many 'would have died in the course of this year, even if that sounds harsh'.

The professor said the 'astronomical economic damage' caused by the lockdown was 'not proportionate' to the danger posed by Covid-19.

Speaking to local media, he said: 'Everyone we've examined had cancer, a chronic lung disease, was a heavy smoker or very overweight, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease.

'Covid-19 is only a deadly disease in exceptional cases, in most cases it's an overwhelmingly harmless viral infection.

'This virus is influencing our lives in an excessive way. It does not correspond to the danger that the virus poses.

'We don't have Italian conditions in Germany. We have a good health system and I'm convinced we can master this pandemic.'

Coronavirus victims who were otherwise thought to be healthy may actually have had underlying conditions which they did not know about, he said.

'What you can say for Hamburg is that we’ve only had deaths among people who generally had several underlying conditions and an average age clearly the other side of 70,' he said.

'Healthy people will get through this comparatively harmless viral infection within one or two weeks and quickly forget about it,' he said.

'We can't prevent people from being infected.'

Except for all those without any health issues that have died of course

[Search & Destroy]

https://www.google.c...itions-11979733


95% had underlying problems in the UK

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[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 04:33 PM, said:

https://www.google.c...itions-11979733


95% had underlying problem


95% had underlying problems in the UK

Glad you read what Mengele MK2 wrote. Pity we went into lockdown then. After all they had underlying health conditions and obviously they all would have died soon anyway. Let's just go back to normal and let them all die.
You really are nasty piece of work. Shouldn't have been surprised though after all you were happy to let people die in the sea

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[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 28 April 2020 - 04:55 PM, said:

Glad you read what Mengele MK2 wrote. Pity we went into lockdown then. After all they had underlying health conditions and obviously they all would have died soon anyway. Let's just go back to normal and let them all die.
You really are nasty piece of work. Shouldn't have been surprised though after all you were happy to let people die in the sea

It's much to an emotive subject to argue about but I read a report that there could be as many has 50,000 increased cancer deaths in the Uk over the next five years due to postponing treatment, people not being diagnosed soon enough, people afraid to go into hospitals or to their G.P. Add to that the struggle with people losing their jobs, being evicted, mental health issues, children held back for years due to their education being postponed, plummeting job prospects, etc etc. Economically it's not all about those at the top saving a few quid, it as unimaginable impact of people's well being, the huge life changing impact on us all is unfathomable.

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[Search & Destroy]

I wonder if those NHS key workers had underlying health conditions

If 95% had, as in the rest of the population then it is bizarre they were at work

[plannerj]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 01:07 PM, said:

That’ll be down to France if that happens

My last experience of reporting to emigration was during the late evening at Heathrow in February. Horrible queues and no indication or concern with Coronavirus.. Please advise me, by the way, of any aspect of European legislation that has been repealed since we left the EU.

[Search & Destroy]

plannerj, on 28 April 2020 - 06:02 PM, said:

My last experience of reporting to emigration was during the late evening at Heathrow in February. Horrible queues and no indication or concern with Coronavirus.. Please advise me, by the way, of any aspect of European legislation that has been repealed since we left the EU.

Freedom of movement?

You mean immigration yeah?

[Search & Destroy]

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My last experience of reporting to emigration was during the late evening at Heathrow in February. Horrible queues and no indication or concern with Coronavirus.. Please advise me, by the way, of any aspect of European legislation that has been repealed since we left the EU?

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[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 28 April 2020 - 06:01 PM, said:

I wonder if those NHS key workers had underlying health conditions

If 95% had, as in the rest of the population then it is bizarre they were at work

Are you in the 95% bracket?

[Search & Destroy]

I wonder if those NHS key workers had underlying health conditions

If 95% had, as in the rest of the population then it is bizarre they were at work

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 28 April 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

Well Mr White Line. That is a rather silly line from you is it not? How can you have evidence for some thing that didn't happen? If they had locked down earlier, tested and traced, stopped Cheltenham, stopped the Liverpool match, stopped flights in unchecked, provided PPE and not abandoned care homes, then we could say all that could be done was done. However they didn't so I would hazard a guess the fatalities would have been less if they had. Do you think if they had gone down the other route they would be the same, more or less? I don't know but I believe the numbers would be better than they are now. They couldn't have been any worse but we will now never know.

I don’t know, as you say we never will. With hindsight, most of us could decide to do things differently. Just thought it was harsh today he has blood on his hands for way he has dealt with it...

The answer is of course we will never know. But I am glad I could just observe from the sidelines and snipe, not have to make those calls. And I think a lot of those sniping from the side lines are probably glad it wasn’t their call too.

As for the Liverpool match, well it was against a Spanish team and their problems were more advanced than ours but they let their fans go, so they clearly also thought it was too early to lockdown? PPE - the volumes they are using are beyond comprehension, the supply chain to sort it required design and implementation in a world where everyone wanted the same things. Easy to say it should be provided, B****Y difficult to achieve. Next to no countries in the world have enough.

It’s ok though, I read a headline today, article was behind a firewall and I am too tight to pay, that said income tax went up to 80% after WW2 to pay the debt, and mightwe have to do the same now..... so it’s likely to get a lot worse before it gets better..