[The Earl of Chesterfield]

As I write there's some sort of mass east european karaoke happening in the car park of Singh's Derby Road supermarket.

Hardly 'Woodstock', but I'm not entirely sure our friend 'S&D' isn't on the mic...

[Wooden Spoon]

fishini said:

1587808034[/url]"]1587808034[/url]' post='[url="tel:[url="tel:1515799"]1515799[/url]"]1515799[/url]']Both are correct. Don't forget it was Cummings that adviced herd immunity to save the economy, with horrendous death rates predicted. This shows just where his priorities really lie

Why shouldn't his advisor be at a sage meeting? You can be at a meeting,taking notes etc, whiteout being ON the SAGE committee can't you?

This post has been edited by DEATH: 25 April 2020 - 06:11 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Search and Destroy said:

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Would have taken advice that was available at the time

May have worked, may not have done, at the moment we have horrendous death rates and a crippled economy

Sweden’s approach is interesting. “Lock down light” and yet, including the care home deaths, they have a lower death rate per million than the U.K.

[Search & Destroy]

Different population spread though, big country with few people

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 25 April 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

Why shouldn't his advisor be at a sage meeting? You can be at a meeting,taking notes etc, whiteout being ON the SAGE committee can't you?

Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

[Search & Destroy]

DEATH, on 25 April 2020 - 05:46 PM, said:

Why shouldn't his advisor be at a sage meeting? You can be at a meeting,taking notes etc, whiteout being ON the SAGE committee can't you?

I think it’s more to do that he was something to do with vote leave than he was at the meeting

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 April 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

I’m struggling with an analogy that compares CFC academy to the Coronavirus to be honest

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 25 April 2020 - 06:37 PM, said:

I’m struggling with an analogy that compares CFC academy to the Coronavirus to be honest

Yeah, I know mate.

You seem to be struggling with a few analogies and metaphors and dichotomies these days.

I'll try to keep things black and white for you in future...

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 April 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

I can't help thinking you are barking up the wrong tree here. See below, Role.

Cummings's role is surely to 'support UK cross -government decisions' and implement them. I would have thought that nobody within the Westminster community who wants to advance their personal knowledge, of whatever persuasion, would be barred from listening in. .

Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE)
The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) provides scientific and technical advice to support government decision makers during emergencies.

Role
SAGE is responsible for ensuring that timely and coordinated scientific advice is made available to decision makers to support UK cross-government decisions in the Cabinet Office Briefing Room (COBR). The advice provided by SAGE does not represent official government policy.

Membership
The membership of SAGE depends on the nature of the emergency but it typically includes leading experts from within government and leading specialists from the fields of academia and industry.
The group typically is chaired by the Government Chief Scientific Adviser or a departmental Chief Scientific Adviser.

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 April 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

I can give you an analogy Chris, we have Board Committee meetings at work, which are Non Exec Directors and others by invitation. The CEO doesnt belong to any of those Committees but is invited to attend to hear what is being said so that when the NEDs report back at Board, they can be more succinct and CEO knows what they are referring to.

Of course there is a slot to speak to Committee before CEO attends if you want to say anything about him..

I have Cummings, in the same way I hated Campbell. But there are good reasons why he might attend and listen as long as he doesnt influence decisions....

[calvin plummers socks]

3 Prem teams are to resume training at their training grounds after this lockdown period in prep for the season to re-commence I heard from a few colleagues today.

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1587838783[/url]' post='1515845']
Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

That’s why I asked, is it. It not possible to be attending a meeting, without being on the SAGE committee? Your assuming the bloke is on the committee and contributing as if he were an expert or a minister. He could be attending so he doesn’t need to be briefed afterwards

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1587838783[/url]' post='1515845']
Come on, Rob.

'SAGE' is a meeting of qualified and independant individuals.

I'll repeat the analogy - CFC cronies sitting in on, say, Academy business despite having not a single qualification to do so - infact being barred from doing so by FA regulations?

That’s why I asked, is it. It not possible to be attending a meeting, without being on the SAGE committee? Your assuming the bloke is on the committee and contributing as if he were an expert or a minister. He could be attending so he doesn’t need to be briefed afterwards.




I don’t know what his role is at these meetings.

Search and Destroy said:

1587838840[/url]' post='1515846']
I think it's more to do that he was something to do with vote leave than he was at the meeting

https://www.cnbc.com...y-in-weeks.html

[fishini]

Shouldn't it be a member of SAGE that reports to the government not Cummings, so nothing gets lost in translation?

[Wooden Spoon]

Aren’t ministers on this committee/attending?

[Wooden Spoon]

Ok,,I’m struggling to see why his attendance is causing so much consternation. (Apart from him simply being a tvvat)




So, if someone can clarify please



1) Who attends.



2) Who contributes/sits on the committee



3) What Cummings role is.

[Mr Mercury]

Certainly mixed messages. I think the government wants a drip drip back to normality, hence the lockdown not being seriously invoked, but they won't lift it due to millions heading out everywhere.
How on earth can they seriously call for people to heed the advice yet allow B and Q to reopen, and I believe MacDonalds are going to reopen drive thrus soon. No wonder traffic use is going up! is

[isleaiw1]

Blue5, on 25 April 2020 - 11:29 AM, said:

If businesses were receiving grants from the Government covering 80% of their turnover and employees were left with the thin end of nothing, would those employees be as equally or less concerned about their well-being as they are currently?

Oh, we have had our fair share of interesting complaints - whether it is the ones complaining that they are only on 20% more than the ones on furlough but are having to earn it, or the ones who say going to work is dangerous so they want more than 100% to cover the danger (remember our hotels are closed - the staff are living in, food provided, 4 on 4 off mainly, with a few maintenance and security tasks to do....), we have had people asking to go on furlough and complaining they couldnt choose.... we even had someone asking us to guarantee they would be on furlough until end of June....

In the meantime our owners will make a loss this financial year (ending June) and a bigger one this calendar year (almost certainly) despite investing over £120m in the business in the 5 years I have worked there. But no one will feel sorry for them.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury said:

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Certainly mixed messages. I think the government wants a drip drip back to normality, hence the lockdown not being seriously invoked, but they won't lift it due to millions heading out everywhere.
How on earth can they seriously call for people to heed the advice yet allow B and Q to reopen, and I believe MacDonalds are going to reopen drive thrus soon. No wonder traffic use is going up! is

I’d like a bit more honesty too, and for them to say things like, I dint know I’ll ask Dr X Mr Y or Mrs Z.





It’s almost as it they are frightened of saying that,, or things like yeah, we could perhaps have done a bit better with that etc.





Hancock the other day said he’d been on the phone personally ordering P.P.E. Right, fine, but isn’t that the sort of thing he ought to delegate to civil,servants? There was a report of several companies who said they could help, retooling so they could make PPE yet had no reply when trying to contact the govt. He just needs to give the authorisation doesn’t he.

[isleaiw1]

Blue5, on 25 April 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

Absolutely, the Jeremy and Miranda types down the B&Q buying their essential hot tubs!

Should we read something into the names you chose....?