[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 20 April 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

https://www.msn.com/...ocid=spartandhp

As you say Chris, often and loudly, the press are great at smearing people when they need to.

Read the rest of it - wouldnt it be great of the press and the people of the country, got together, worked together and backed a solution instead of sitting sniping about how it could have been done better...

Even Tony Blair, on the Victoria Derbyshire show this morning, said he wasnt going to criticise the govts handling of it because when you are the one making the decisions its so much harder than just being able to criticise later.

And let me remind you he was the last (and only) labour leader to get elected for 40 years - so unlike the other protest leaders or sensationalist journos looking for some ad revenue, actually understands the problem.

Occasionally take off your blinkers and try and see another point of view. It might not be as scary as you think....

ETA - I am at home. I am working. Started at 7, will probably knock off about 7 to walk the dog and have dinner and then pick up again. Just because you arent in the office doesnt mean you arent working....

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[jack'smyboy]

fishini, on 20 April 2020 - 09:33 AM, said:

My little boys teacher phone's every working day with his assignment for the day. I can't fault Stubbing Wood School or its staff

No phone calls from Brookfield, but a fair few emails and an almost constant pinging of notifications from ShowMyHomework. This is with a Y11 who has had his GCSEs cancelled. We're getting stuff that covers coursework for his GCSEs that was still to be done, just in case he doesn't get the grade he is happy with, and decides to take the exam instead. We're also getting stuff for the subjects he is due to take at A level, so he can hit the ground running.

Anyone who claims not to have had plenty of stuff from their child's school is either lying, or needs to get their contact details updated.

It is the one's with no/shared IT issues I worry for. Corbyn wanting to make broadband free for everyone doesn't look so comical to the opposition right now.

[fishini]

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Occasionally take off your blinkers and try and see another point of view. It might not be as scary as you think....


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You could say that about most people, including yourself

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 20 April 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

You could say that about most people, including yourself

indeed we all fall into a blinkered response based on our history and background, but its good to at least try to shake it off. I know I do it - its the northern roots thing. But I am trying to see both sides of coins and make my own call on things now.

[azul]

jack, on 20 April 2020 - 01:07 PM, said:

No phone calls from Brookfield, but a fair few emails and an almost constant pinging of notifications from ShowMyHomework. This is with a Y11 who has had his GCSEs cancelled. We're getting stuff that covers coursework for his GCSEs that was still to be done, just in case he doesn't get the grade he is happy with, and decides to take the exam instead. We're also getting stuff for the subjects he is due to take at A level, so he can hit the ground running.

Anyone who claims not to have had plenty of stuff from their child's school is either lying, or needs to get their contact details updated.

It is the one's with no/shared IT issues I worry for. Corbyn wanting to make broadband free for everyone doesn't look so comical to the opposition right now.

It is pretty sickening to see S&D **** stirring about teachers.

I have three in my extended family, primary school head that's in every day, primary school deputy head/teacher who is rostered and when not is 'working' from home and a school business manager of a large school who is in all week and most Saturdays.

It wasn't their idea to close schools and all three would love to get back to normal

[CFC91]

fishini, on 20 April 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

You could say that about most people, including yourself

I think that's a theme at dominates the whole thread. Certain people clearly have very strong views one way or another and simply won't entertain the other side of the fence and that is clear from the postings.

Makes this thread, and the news in general very hard to decipher what is genuine and what is bias. As someone that's fairly on the fence with politics with no real allegiance or strong views (despite having a Politics degree i've fallen out of love with it all) I struggle with what in this thread should be taken as genuine information worth taking aware versus that clouded in strong bias political views.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

isleaiw1, on 20 April 2020 - 12:41 PM, said:

As you say Chris, often and loudly, the press are great at smearing people when they need to.

Read the rest of it - wouldnt it be great of the press and the people of the country, got together, worked together and backed a solution instead of sitting sniping about how it could have been done better...

Even Tony Blair, on the Victoria Derbyshire show this morning, said he wasnt going to criticise the govts handling of it because when you are the one making the decisions its so much harder than just being able to criticise later.

And let me remind you he was the last (and only) labour leader to get elected for 40 years - so unlike the other protest leaders or sensationalist journos looking for some ad revenue, actually understands the problem.

Occasionally take off your blinkers and try and see another point of view. It might not be as scary as you think....

ETA - I am at home. I am working. Started at 7, will probably knock off about 7 to walk the dog and have dinner and then pick up again. Just because you arent in the office doesnt mean you arent working....

The people of the country HAVE been working together though, Ian. They HAVE backed the solution - which we can only hope reports of fewer ICU admissions you posted are a sign is working.

Yet when Murdoch papers - that's MURDOCH papers - carry negative stories, when the Daily Mail - the Daily chuffin' Mail, for crying out loud - carries double page spreads asking what the hell's gone wrong, and when apolitical medics are moved to publicise gulfs between promises and delivery then I think it's valid to hold those who so desperately sought power to account.

As for wearing blinkers I've repeatedly recognised no government was prepared. None. Infact one of the best health services in Europe - Northern Italy - was completely overwnelmed. I've also praised Sunak for being the only one of the entire cabinet to be straight. To admit errors and show purpose in addressing them.

But then that's the whole point. From Bozo failing to replicate predecessors chairing COBRA meetings, to his 'well prepared/stockpiled PPE/twenty five thousand tests a day by the middle of April' pledges, to every underling who's trumpeted competence that was anything but to the lies, the bare faced lies now being told to avoid any hint of apology, it's as if those who've so often insisted folk should be trusted over Brexit can't trust us with reality now.

They had warnings, my friend. As far back as 2016. They had time denied many less fortunate nations to prepare this year. However it's becoming increasingly clear a combination of ideological dogma and arrogant complacency saw life saving opportunities squandered.


EDIT: as I read it Blair offered a roadmap for exiting lockdown. One based upon the testing so successful elsewhere, targeted isolations and a staged return for schoolkids and less vulnerable workers. A constructive contribution I'd like to see SKS echo.

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[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 20 April 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

The people of the country HAVE been working together though, Ian. They HAVE backed the solution - which we can only hope reports of fewer ICU admissions you posted are a sign is working.

But when Murdoch papers - that's MURDOCH papers - carry negative stories, when the Daily Mail - the Daily chuffin' Mail, for crying out loud - carries double page spreads asking what the hell's gone wrong, and when apolitical medics are moved to publicise gulfs between promises and delivery then I think it's valid to hold those who so desperately sought power to account.

As for wearing blinkers I've repeatedly recognised no government was prepared. None. Infact one of the best health services in Europe - Northern Italy - was completely overwnelmed. I've also praised Sunak for being the only one of the entire cabinet to be straight. To admit errors and show purpose in addressing them.

But then that's the whole point. From Bozo failing to replicate predecessors chairing COBRA meetings, to his 'well prepared/stockpiled PPE/twenty five thousand tests a day by the middle of April' pledges, to every underling who's trumpeted competence that was anything but to the lies, the bare faced lies now being told to avoid any hint of apology, it's as if those who've so often insisted folk should be trusted over Brexit can't trust us with reality now.

They had warnings, my friend. As far back as 2016. They had time denied many less fortunate nations to prepare this year. However it's becoming increasingly clear a combination of ideological dogma and arrogant complacency saw life saving opportunities squandered.

As I said, dont trust the press - they are after revenue and sensationalist stories are needed to get to the front of the queue at a time when news is important and they can up their traffic. And yes, I do know someone at News UK.... Murdoch is also drunk that other sectors are getting better support than the media from this govt so is giving them both barrels blazing....

And as I also said, its easy to criticise, its what I spend most of my working life doing. What is important is getting through it and then learning lessons....

[whittman]

It might be just me but surely someones planning went a bit wayward when we are having to rely on a vital shipment of PPE gowns from Turkey?

What are they using to treat their corona virus patients

[isleaiw1]

CFC91, on 20 April 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

I think that's a theme at dominates the whole thread. Certain people clearly have very strong views one way or another and simply won't entertain the other side of the fence and that is clear from the postings.

Makes this thread, and the news in general very hard to decipher what is genuine and what is bias. As someone that's fairly on the fence with politics with no real allegiance or strong views (despite having a Politics degree i've fallen out of love with it all) I struggle with what in this thread should be taken as genuine information worth taking aware versus that clouded in strong bias political views.

A very very good post. The interesting thing for me is the difference between this thread and its twin on another forum for another of my interests. Instead they are generally middle class, middle england and as far the other way in their blinkered views....

But one of the guys is an ITU consultant in the midlands. His posts alone are worth reading it. And the rollercoaster he has been on, over the last few weeks. And yes, not enough PPE - but he doesnt complain about is much as Chris. Today he is positive as shown by the earlier post I put up. That is the news I react to. Not the crap on websites that are desperate to get their ad rates up based on their traffic numbers, and each one racing to the bottom in their sensationalism to get that traffic.

But we are all entitled to our opinions, its just good to try and understand others (except S&D, obvs...). We are now predicting zero revenue until end Sept, no more than 10% occupancy in Oct and Nov and maybe 25% in December, followed by a steady ramp up to 70% max by Easter. Given 70% would be a poor month normally (only October / November might dip below that normally from now to xmas...) its going to be a very long road back to normality....so I need good news sometimes!

[azul]

CFC91, on 20 April 2020 - 02:20 PM, said:

I think that's a theme at dominates the whole thread. Certain people clearly have very strong views one way or another and simply won't entertain the other side of the fence and that is clear from the postings.

Makes this thread, and the news in general very hard to decipher what is genuine and what is bias. As someone that's fairly on the fence with politics with no real allegiance or strong views (despite having a Politics degree i've fallen out of love with it all) I struggle with what in this thread should be taken as genuine information worth taking aware versus that clouded in strong bias political views.

I recommend you follow the links supplied and you will generally get the fact and not just opinions

In fact you could always go online and look at serious newspapers/media outlets from across the political spectrum and make your own mind up

[isleaiw1]

azul, on 20 April 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

I recommend you follow the links supplied and you will generally get the fact and not just opinions

In fact you could always go online and look at serious newspapers/media outlets from across the political spectrum and make your own mind up

Because none of them are touting for business and printing opinion as fact..?

I reckon the best thing to do at the moment is not watch the news, not read the press and not come on here - you will probably know as many facts and have as clear a view as those that are doing all of those things, especially if they are reading with an underlying agenda.

[azul]

isleaiw1, on 20 April 2020 - 04:00 PM, said:

Because none of them are touting for business and printing opinion as fact..?

I reckon the best thing to do at the moment is not watch the news, not read the press and not come on here - you will probably know as many facts and have as clear a view as those that are doing all of those things, especially if they are reading with an underlying agenda.

Frankly that is complete bull as there is a difference between hard news and opinion pieces.

Whatever, will you be following your own advice?

[CFC91]

isleaiw1, on 20 April 2020 - 03:01 PM, said:

A very very good post. The interesting thing for me is the difference between this thread and its twin on another forum for another of my interests. Instead they are generally middle class, middle england and as far the other way in their blinkered views....

But one of the guys is an ITU consultant in the midlands. His posts alone are worth reading it. And the rollercoaster he has been on, over the last few weeks. And yes, not enough PPE - but he doesnt complain about is much as Chris. Today he is positive as shown by the earlier post I put up. That is the news I react to. Not the crap on websites that are desperate to get their ad rates up based on their traffic numbers, and each one racing to the bottom in their sensationalism to get that traffic.

But we are all entitled to our opinions, its just good to try and understand others (except S&D, obvs...). We are now predicting zero revenue until end Sept, no more than 10% occupancy in Oct and Nov and maybe 25% in December, followed by a steady ramp up to 70% max by Easter. Given 70% would be a poor month normally (only October / November might dip below that normally from now to xmas...) its going to be a very long road back to normality....so I need good news sometimes!

Yep you're right, it's all down to the demographics or political views but to get impartial reliable info is quite difficult I think instantly without doing a whole load of research yourself, which the media should stop you having to do.

That said on the complete flip side reading a wide range of peoples views and thoughts is also interesting, but they are very clouded so I do take with a pinch of salt as everyone has their own agenda or interests.

As for the figures you have quoted, how is that sustainable? I know we've already taken steps to reduce the cash going out of the business, even though in my line of work I expect the revenue to pick up in a much shorter time frame than yours. Surely rough decisions will have to be taken if those figures are forecasted to protect the long term future of the business? I guess there is very little option for diversification within the hotel industry, as any re-using of the facilities etc would probably be flouting any social distancing rules and regs.

It's a tough time to be in many B2C entertainment/leisure facing business so i can only imagine your stress.

azul, on 20 April 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

I recommend you follow the links supplied and you will generally get the fact and not just opinions

In fact you could always go online and look at serious newspapers/media outlets from across the political spectrum and make your own mind up

That would involve time and effort which sadly working full time and with a baby due imminently i don't have. I like to log into my laptop before work in a morning with a brew and some toast and read the news in 15-20 minutes before I start a slog of emails and calls i usually have.

[azul]

CFC91, on 20 April 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

That would involve time and effort which sadly working full time and with a baby due imminently i don't have. I like to log into my laptop before work in a morning with a brew and some toast and read the news in 15-20 minutes before I start a slog of emails and calls i usually have.

I see your point and you won’t be alone. I’m afraid that is how government(s) get away with it.

I’m really not being snide here, but you do post quite a lot here so you could substitute that and read a few trusted sources. It doesn’t take that much time to read a few news items. Other than that I’m not sure what to recommend.

[Search & Destroy]

isleaiw1, on 20 April 2020 - 03:01 PM, said:

A very very good post. The interesting thing for me is the difference between this thread and its twin on another forum for another of my interests. Instead they are generally middle class, middle england and as far the other way in their blinkered views....

But one of the guys is an ITU consultant in the midlands. His posts alone are worth reading it. And the rollercoaster he has been on, over the last few weeks. And yes, not enough PPE - but he doesnt complain about is much as Chris. Today he is positive as shown by the earlier post I put up. That is the news I react to. Not the crap on websites that are desperate to get their ad rates up based on their traffic numbers, and each one racing to the bottom in their sensationalism to get that traffic.

But we are all entitled to our opinions, its just good to try and understand others (except S&D, obvs...). We are now predicting zero revenue until end Sept, no more than 10% occupancy in Oct and Nov and maybe 25% in December, followed by a steady ramp up to 70% max by Easter. Given 70% would be a poor month normally (only October / November might dip below that normally from now to xmas...) its going to be a very long road back to normality....so I need good news sometimes!

Come on guys, less of the bullying #benice

[azul]

With special reference to CFC91 why not watch CH4

Tonight’s highlights....

Shortage of drugs that make Ventilators bearable
Doctor stating that hospital managers are claiming staff could be falling ill at the supermarket and wants the government to just tell the truth
Tobias Elwood says the PM regrets any loss of life.

On the economic front, oil has reached negative prices in America (might buy a barrel or two myself). And it’s only thirty minutes in (CFC91)

Now CH4 News not be everyone’s cup of tea, because it attacks government and opposition in equal measure. However their charter is not for profit and as such there was talk a year or so ago that CH4 was going to get revenue allocated to the BBC.

If there is one outlet you have time for? Get watching CFC91

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[isleaiw1]

CFC91, on 20 April 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

Yep you're right, it's all down to the demographics or political views but to get impartial reliable info is quite difficult I think instantly without doing a whole load of research yourself, which the media should stop you having to do.

That said on the complete flip side reading a wide range of peoples views and thoughts is also interesting, but they are very clouded so I do take with a pinch of salt as everyone has their own agenda or interests.

As for the figures you have quoted, how is that sustainable? I know we've already taken steps to reduce the cash going out of the business, even though in my line of work I expect the revenue to pick up in a much shorter time frame than yours. Surely rough decisions will have to be taken if those figures are forecasted to protect the long term future of the business? I guess there is very little option for diversification within the hotel industry, as any re-using of the facilities etc would probably be flouting any social distancing rules and regs.

It's a tough time to be in many B2C entertainment/leisure facing business so i can only imagine your stress.



That would involve time and effort which sadly working full time and with a baby due imminently i don't have. I like to log into my laptop before work in a morning with a brew and some toast and read the news in 15-20 minutes before I start a slog of emails and calls i usually have.

I am spending my days redesigning processes and control frameworks to allow cost savings to give us a fighting chance. Its going to be tough but we have owners in it for the long term, and a good finance facility.... and still we are working like lunatics to try and make it viable....

But no one could have seen this coming, the owners are for once being reasonable about our ability to control it, so we look forward to solutions not back to blame....

azul, on 20 April 2020 - 04:08 PM, said:

Frankly that is complete bull as there is a difference between hard news and opinion pieces.

Whatever, will you be following your own advice?

I think there is always opinion in how you present facts....

Trying to but as I have to update the management team on key facts / changes in policy / what have you every morning at 8 its a bit hard. I like to think I only give facts but you can bet your life sometimes there is an inbuilt opinion in which I favour or dwell on...

Search and Destroy, on 20 April 2020 - 04:38 PM, said:

Come on guys, less of the bullying #benice

It was said in a humorous way...

[isleaiw1]

azul, on 20 April 2020 - 04:33 PM, said:

I’m really not being snide here, but you do post quite a lot here so you could substitute that and read a few trusted sources. It doesn’t take that much time to read a few news items. Other than that I’m not sure what to recommend.

a former colleague, general counsel and co sec and the most conservative (small and big C) person I know, frightfully well brought up, was bemoaning the fact that the broad sheets she always thought she could trust were no longer trustworthy in reporting facts and not opinions. She hates BoJo though so it might be because they were being too nice about him, I didnt check her meaning!

I know she was extremely disappointed with both Sunday Times and FT over the weekend....

[azul]

isleaiw1, on 20 April 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:

a former colleague, general counsel and co sec and the most conservative (small and big C) person I know, frightfully well brought up, was bemoaning the fact that the broad sheets she always thought she could trust were no longer trustworthy in reporting facts and not opinions. She hates BoJo though so it might be because they were being too nice about him, I didnt check her meaning!

I know she was extremely disappointed with both Sunday Times and FT over the weekend....

Oh no not another anecdote, frankly anyone can do that and it is always true

Meanwhile in the fake news world, oil prices have gone negative - that would be a mega story in normal times

Not taken your own advice in post 1332 yet?

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