[calvin plummers socks]

Search and Destroy, on 15 April 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

I thought SK were hailed as being the great testers?

No idea - but heard it on the wireless earlier

[Mr Mercury]

China showing its true colours?
https://youtu.be/p9DYm4g--RM

[Town_Fan]

isleaiw1, on 15 April 2020 - 06:51 AM, said:

There was a training event at the Nightingale before it was due to open - they had brought trainers in from all over the country.

The reason it’s not being used, from the agents booking hotel rooms for the staff who are working it, is that it has not been needed. There are a few there now, not many. If you lived near London and saw the interviews with locals connected to it, you might know more. Or you might not believe the right wing media supporting this publicity stunt...

Sigh...

Genuinely tried to send this as a PM but kept getting "action failed", dont want to put anyone on the spot or have a look at me type moment but I did want to ask...

Hi mate

Bit weird this but do you have any hotels Guildford way? In what can only be described as some foolish moment of self consciousness, I've given up my safe work from home job to rejoin the NHS, trouble is its in Guildford. Looks like I'll be there Monday to Friday as I want to limit the amount of time I want to spend with the TFL unwashed for obvious current reasons. I'm aiming for nurses accommodation but when I read what you guys were helping supply nhs rooms for Nightingale staff i thought I'd see if there was a potential back up.

Cheers Matt

[calvin plummers socks]

Germany starting to wind down the lockdown

[Search & Destroy]

calvin plummers socks, on 15 April 2020 - 09:35 PM, said:

Germany starting to wind down the lockdown

Just been reading that, Merkel says it’s fragile, face masks in shops and public transport, smaller shops opening, no pubs and restaurants yet, no large gatherings till August 31st, schools back early May

So, being a few weeks behind most of Europe who are easing up restrictions, this SHOULD mean we are able to look how 2nd waves/further outbreaks develop and how they are better contained

[Search & Destroy]

Sweden is interesting




Sweden has passed the grim milestone of 1,200 coronavirus deaths, far exceeding the tolls of its nearest neighbours, but suggested it may be nearing the outbreak’s peak as scientists continue to question the government’s light-touch approach.

The Public Health Agency announced a death toll of 1,203 people from Covid-19 on Wednesday, a rate of 118 per million inhabitants, compared with 55 in Denmark and just 13 in Finland, both of which imposed strict early lockdowns to curb the virus’s spread.

Sweden’s per-million tally is also significantly higher than the 42 recorded in Germany – but remains lower than the UK’s rate of 182 (as of Tuesday) and far below Italy’s 349 and Spain’s 399.


Anders Wallensten, the deputy chief epidemiologist, said the number of new Covid-19 cases was starting to decline and he was “cautiously positive” Sweden was approaching the peak. Officials said the health system was coping.

Polling suggests many Swedes continue to support the government’s strategy, which has entailed urging citizens to take personal responsibility for following physical distancing guidelines rather than strictly enforcing mandatory rules.

While authorities have closed senior high schools and banned gatherings of more than 50 people, they have asked – rather than ordered – people to avoid non-essential travel, work from home and stay indoors if they are over 70 or are feeling ill.

Statistics show roughly half the Swedish workforce is now working from home, public transport usage has fallen by 50% in Stockholm and the capital’s streets are about 70% less busy than usual – but Swedes are still able to shop, go to restaurants, get haircuts and send children under 16 to class even if a family member is ill.

The government’s refusal to close primary and junior high schools – and authorities’ insistence that only children who are themselves ill may stay at home – has caused some families and teachers particular concern, staff and parent groups have said.

Healthy students who have been kept out of school by anxious parents have been threatened with referral to social services, while concerned families and school staff have written open letters describing the government’s policy as “unacceptable” and arguing that it is “risking the lives of children, relatives and staff”.

In one letter published last week in Aftonbladet newspaper, more than 900 teachers and school staff said it was impossible for schools and daycare facilities to observe physical distancing recommendations, adding that “in many cases” children with infected family members had obeyed instructions to attend school, meaning “we are not able to protect children and educators in at-risk groups”.

Anders Tegnell, the country’s chief epidemiologist, has described the Swedish approach as an attempt to ensure “a slow spread of infection and that the health services are not overwhelmed”, arguing that it is important for a part of the population to acquire immunity.

Tegnell has denied trying to build rapid “herd immunity” to the virus, a strategy originally considered by the UK and the Netherlands before soaring projected death rates prompted those countries to change course.

Some experts have speculated that Sweden’s approach to managing the spread of the virus may also be influenced by its demographic profile – more than 50% of households are single-person – and relatively low population density of about 25 people per square kilometre, compared with, for example, 205 in Italy and 259 in the UK.

[Town_Fan]

The realisation that you be potentially reinfected is scary as ****, a proper game changer.

[Westbars Spireite]

These countries like NZ who’ve locked down early and with great success; where do they go next?

The virus is still there and unless a cure is found will take effect when movement returns won’t it?

[Search & Destroy]

Westbars Spireite, on 15 April 2020 - 10:01 PM, said:

These countries like NZ who’ve locked down early and with great success; where do they go next?

The virus is still there and unless a cure is found will take effect when movement returns won’t it?

Yes, just like it will here

We still have 59million people waiting for it

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 15 April 2020 - 10:06 PM

[Search & Destroy]

WHO said in January it would be very unlikely to be passed human to human and strongly objected to travel bans at the time

That’s a catastrophic error however you look at it

[plannerj]

Search and Destroy, on 15 April 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

WHO said in January it would be very unlikely to be passed human to human and strongly objected to travel bans at the time

That’s a catastrophic error however you look at it

What you say doesn’t tell the accurate story about the WHO and travel bans. It was against outright bans because it would encourage the illegal rather than the controlled movement of people. Those tempted to cross borders illegally would be more likely to spread the virus. Travel bans did not stop the catastrophe in the USA. We know that for sure. Incidentally, given Trump’s unilateral ban on travel between EC countries and USA, later extended to British andIrish citizens, how come several American airlines, BA and Virgin Atlantic are still permitted by us to fly several times a day between virus “hotspots” in the States and here? Someone, somewhere might have a plausible explanation.

[Wooden Spoon]

Town_Fan said:

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The realisation that you be potentially reinfected is scary as ****, a proper game changer.

It potentially means no human immunity doesn’t it.

[Westbars Spireite]

DEATH, on 15 April 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

It potentially means no human immunity doesn’t it.

And something that wipes out people forever.

[Wooden Spoon]

Westbars Spireite said:

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And something that wipes out people forever.

Nah, enough people get it with mild symptoms and even those with severe symptoms can recover.



Having said that, there’s something about this virus. People being re infected and apparently having no immunity? It’s passed from a human who had no symptoms to tigers in a zoo? Strange that a virus can so easily pass between species. The spike protein also apparently has extremely low levels of RNA, and single not double receptors meaning it’s harder for the immune system to fight it. I’ll try and find the article I was reading.

[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 15 April 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

WHO said in January it would be very unlikely to be passed human to human and strongly objected to travel bans at the time

That’s a catastrophic error however you look at it

Correct me I’m wrong but WHO indicated there was human to human transmission on the 22nd Jan

Lack action, particularly by world leaders like Trump and his followers, who even at end of February was still calling it a Democratic hoax and that it would miraculously go away was probably more catastrophic.

What is even more alarming is that getting on for 4 months into the crisis there is still confusion into how it is spread, what the common symptoms are and whether someone is immune after contracting Covid-19.

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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Correct me I'm wrong but WHO indicated there was human to human transmission on the 22nd Jan

Lack action, particularly by world leaders like Trump and his followers, who even at end of February was still calling it a Democratic hoax and that it would miraculously go away was probably more catastrophic.

What is even more alarming is that getting on for 4 months into the crisis there is still confusion into how it is spread, what the common symptoms are and whether someone is immune after contracting Covid-19.

https://nypost.com/2...of-coronavirus/




14th Jan.

[azul]

Town_Fan, on 15 April 2020 - 09:51 PM, said:

The realisation that you be potentially reinfected is scary as ****, a proper game changer.

The assumption was that after recovering your immune system would recognise virus and nullify it. I don’t think that 100% certain with flu or the common cold as you can catch the same strain but generally with milder symptoms.

But even with full immunity, surely there would be a finite time between being reinfected and your immune system fighting it off and would you’d be contagious during that period.

Any Virologists out there?

[azul]

DEATH, on 15 April 2020 - 11:15 PM, said:

https://nypost.com/2...of-coronavirus/
14th Jan.

Not sure what you getting at? That link suggests on the 14th they passed the message on about no human transmission but a week later (22nd) they had changed their mind. Definitely a week lost

Whatever, towards the end January, Wuhan was completely locked down, China was closing down its economy, so it was clear the **** was hitting the fan and everyone knew about human to human spread.

This post has been edited by azul: 15 April 2020 - 11:40 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.bbc.co.u...litics-52304918

[joe]

isleaiw1, on 15 April 2020 - 06:51 AM, said:

There was a training event at the Nightingale before it was due to open - they had brought trainers in from all over the country.

The reason it’s not being used, from the agents booking hotel rooms for the staff who are working it, is that it has not been needed. There are a few there now, not many. If you lived near London and saw the interviews with locals connected to it, you might know more. Or you might not believe the right wing media supporting this publicity stunt...

Sigh...

To suggest the hospital has not been needed is surely incorrect. The first week in April there were 6,000 EXTRA deaths in the UK that is 6,000 more than the usually very stable number. Only about 3,500 are logged as due to the virus but we are not testing and we don't know why all these extra people are dying. If nurses could soon be up to speed then why are nurses working 12 hour shifts during this crisis which we knew was coming - they've had 2 months to get up to speed. I still maintain that there are not enough nurses or not enough volunteers to run the hospital. Who were the people being trained and what were they expected to be after training ? To suggest there are enough nurses is disingenuous or you are in denial.