[Goku]

Hell probably struggle to find a solution, not being employed by the government and all.

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 14 April 2020 - 10:06 AM, said:

Hell probably struggle to find a solution, not being employed by the government and all.

We he seems to have lots of facts to find a problem.... I use the word facts loosely of course....

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 April 2020 - 08:50 AM, said:

Trump's been 'hopeless'?

Just 'hopeless'?

Good grief man - his shameless weaponising of the virus for political purposes has cost incalculable lives!

But even today we see tired old 'fake news' attacks on the press when confronted by facts. The fact his regime is overseeing the worst figures in the world and the fact blame lies at his very own desk.

And if Cheltenham was 'crazy' who was responsible? Wasn't that part of a catalogue of missed opportunities and false assurances too? Ones which yet again - YET AGAIN - a government representative meets with evasion and scapegoating (said all along that's what the 'guided by science' mantra really is)?

Though you'd rather post diversionary accusations or 'tear in my eye' wind-ups than call them out.

No one's said we'd be 'in clover' by joining European schemes. However this government missed out on what could've been life saving gear due to incompetence or ideaology.

Again, your failure to acknowledge as much taints your credibility...

Cheltenham? The Racecourse Board with the government I imagine, should have never gone ahead

The ban on sporting events/gatherings came a few days later, the Liverpool Madrid game was another that shouldn’t have happened, that came mid way through the Festival

Liverpool seem to not have been any more adversely affected which was lucky really, especially when the Northern Italy breakout seems to be have attributed to the European game when Valencia visited

[CFC91]

Don't get why Cheltenham is getting all the heat - there was football, concerts, etc etc going on for a week or so after all of this.

It's not the governments fault it went ahead, the BHA or whoever would be the ones who should have cancelled it, like other sports government bodies did for the the 6 Nations, PL and others.

I went to Cheltenham Tue & Wed and you wouldn't of had a clue there was a pandemic, apart from a lot of hand sanitising stations around the course it was pretty much BAU. I met 3 PL footballers that day, all of whom I believe tested positive which I find crazy. I may or may not have had it and been asymptomatic but it seems as though others did catch it at Cheltenham same as they did the football, the gigs, the concerts that continued to go ahead.

[Search & Destroy]

CFC91, on 14 April 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Don't get why Cheltenham is getting all the heat - there was football, concerts, etc etc going on for a week or so after all of this.

It's not the governments fault it went ahead, the BHA or whoever would be the ones who should have cancelled it, like other sports government bodies did for the the 6 Nations, PL and others.

I went to Cheltenham Tue & Wed and you wouldn't of had a clue there was a pandemic, apart from a lot of hand sanitising stations around the course it was pretty much BAU. I met 3 PL footballers that day, all of whom I believe tested positive which I find crazy. I may or may not have had it and been asymptomatic but it seems as though others did catch it at Cheltenham same as they did the football, the gigs, the concerts that continued to go ahead.

I suppose it depended how closely you were following it, though on the Friday before the festival there had only been two deaths and to cancel it at that stage would have been difficult (but not impossible)

I thought it was bonkers

[mr. smith]

CFC91, on 14 April 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Don't get why Cheltenham is getting all the heat - there was football, concerts, etc etc going on for a week or so after all of this.

It's not the governments fault it went ahead, the BHA or whoever would be the ones who should have cancelled it, like other sports government bodies did for the the 6 Nations, PL and others.

I went to Cheltenham Tue & Wed and you wouldn't of had a clue there was a pandemic, apart from a lot of hand sanitising stations around the course it was pretty much BAU. I met 3 PL footballers that day, all of whom I believe tested positive which I find crazy. I may or may not have had it and been asymptomatic but it seems as though others did catch it at Cheltenham same as they did the football, the gigs, the concerts that continued to go ahead.

kinda answer your own question.
300000 people at Cheltenham over 5 days, when Europe was starting to feel the effects of the corona virus.
the govt should have cancelled it rather than leaving it to the sporting authorities just as they should have been stronger with other sports rather than leaving them to their own devices.
govt are there to do just that, govern.

[fishini]

I wonder if the idiotic anti vaccine brigade who denies their children the MMR jab will deny them the covid jab when available

This post has been edited by fishini: 14 April 2020 - 11:23 AM

[JonB]

fishini, on 14 April 2020 - 11:23 AM, said:

I wonder if the idiotic anti vaccine brigade who denies their children the MMR jab will deny them the covid jab when available

They’ll be too busy trying to set fire to 5g towers!

[Search & Destroy]

JonB, on 14 April 2020 - 11:26 AM, said:

They’ll be too busy trying to set fire to 5g towers!

Eamonn Holmes on ITV😂

https://www.google.c...mments-11972840

[CFC91]

mr. smith, on 14 April 2020 - 10:55 AM, said:

kinda answer your own question.
300000 people at Cheltenham over 5 days, when Europe was starting to feel the effects of the corona virus.
the govt should have cancelled it rather than leaving it to the sporting authorities just as they should have been stronger with other sports rather than leaving them to their own devices.
govt are there to do just that, govern.

I understand why it is getting some of the heat and rightly so, but there was 60,000 at Anfield (including 3000 Spaniards), 25,000 at Stereophonics and many more in the UK that weekend so they all should share an equal amount of the blame. I saw a stat that I can believe that 30,000 of those at Cheltenham were Irish, yet they aren't blaming Cheltenham or looking for excuses because they seemingly have dealt with Corona much better than we have. No doubt someone will try and blame Chelts for all the Irish taking the virus home with them still.

A lot of blame, and not many practical solutions or fixes is all I see. People are looking for someone else to blame rather than standing up and admitting we got it wrong, which may or may not prove to be the case in 12 months when it all comes out

[mr. smith]

CFC91, on 14 April 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

I understand why it is getting some of the heat and rightly so, but there was 60,000 at Anfield (including 3000 Spaniards), 25,000 at Stereophonics and many more in the UK that weekend so they all should share an equal amount of the blame. I saw a stat that I can believe that 30,000 of those at Cheltenham were Irish, yet they aren't blaming Cheltenham or looking for excuses because they seemingly have dealt with Corona much better than we have. No doubt someone will try and blame Chelts for all the Irish taking the virus home with them still.

A lot of blame, and not many practical solutions or fixes is all I see. People are looking for someone else to blame rather than standing up and admitting we got it wrong, which may or may not prove to be the case in 12 months when it all comes out

ill just say again the govt should have been quicker in banning things like you've listed rather than leaving it to sporting bodies.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

mr. smith, on 14 April 2020 - 01:01 PM, said:

ill just say again the govt should have been quicker in banning things like you've listed rather than leaving it to sporting bodies.

This.

The Cheltenham festival is simply a symbol of this government's complacency. Or perhaps even the 'herd immunity' approach there's evidence of them contemplating.

I'm sure many in Europe looked on with the same incredulity with which we viewed Belarussian football matches after our lockdown...

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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Britain missed three opportunities to be part of an EU scheme to bulk-buy masks, gowns and gloves and has been absent from key talks about future purchases,

https://www.theguard...to-bulk-buy-ppe

So if there is a shortage of PPE, we know who to blame - Johnson and his cronies

Dogma before the welfare of front line workers?

So there are no shortages, and have been no shortages of PPE in Europe. If only we’d still been a member state, we’d all have a plentiful supply of nice things.





Utter rubbish Azul.





https://euobserver.c...onavirus/147958

[Wooden Spoon]

mr. smith said:

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ill just say again the govt should have been quicker in banning things like you've listed rather than leaving it to sporting bodies.

That’s pretty much the rub of it, and a lack of test and trace.




Compare South Korea to Italy/Spain. Both were weeks ahead of us, and both provided a lesson to be learnt.





I’m not sure who was providing the “scientific advice” at the time, but they didn’t obviously look into different nations approaches deeply enough.

[Wooden Spoon]

Former pensions minister Baroness Altman describes the corona virus in care homes societies most vulnerable being abandoned like lambs to the slaughter.





Nice.





Are care homes being supplied with masks etc with the same vigour as hospitals? They should be shouldn’t they?

[azul]

DEATH, on 14 April 2020 - 02:33 PM, said:

So there are no shortages, and have been no shortages of PPE in Europe. If only we’d still been a member state, we’d all have a plentiful supply of nice things.
Utter rubbish Azul.
https://euobserver.c...onavirus/147958

Think you are putting words in my mouth.

Read the report again, the combined EU order wasn’t put in until late March due to poor uptake originally amongst EU countries and ourselves.I have already pointed out to your mate S&D

That order is due to be delivered within the next two weeks. We are not included because we didn’t submit a request. We’ll be sourcing ours off Ebay no doubt!

If you don’t believe the Guardian report, check out Evening Standard because they have a similar report. That paper is edited by George Osbourne

Blimey even the BBC are reporting it now!

This post has been edited by azul: 14 April 2020 - 03:12 PM

[isleaiw1]

azul, on 14 April 2020 - 03:00 PM, said:

If you don’t believe the Guardian report, check out Evening Standard because they have a similar report. That paper is edited by George Osbourne

Osbourne is more critical of anyone who has come after than any Labour politician ever has been, you would think he was bitter at being ousted....

Couldnt the EU insist the order was placed and bill member states? they seem to with other things...

[Search & Destroy]

Would have been 30% cost to Germany and UK, 20% to France and then 20% between the other 24 if it’s true to form

[CFC91]

NHS field hospital has no patients or staff
Video content

Video caption: Inside Nightingale Hospital BirminghamInside Nightingale Hospital Birmingham
A field hospital built to help the UK cope with coronavirus currently has no patients or staff, the BBC has learned.

Work on the NHS Birmingham Nightingale Hospital was completed last week, but the facility - which has 500 beds and capacity for 1,000 more - stands empty.

A spokesperson for NHS England said that they were not staffing the temporary facility because the 23 local hospitals that feed into it haven’t needed to use it.

They added that the Nightingale can be opened and staffed with 24-48 hours notice, should the situation change.

A medic in the West Midlands told the BBC: “Birmingham Nightingale has stood down for the moment. Medics have been told not to come to Nightingale as of yesterday and will be called upon when needed.”

The Midlands is the second worst hit NHS Trust area in the UK.

More than 2,000 deaths have been reported in the region - more than anywhere except London.

Several temporary field hospitals have been created around the UK in response to coronavirus. This map plots some of their locations


Surely our £££ would have been better invested elsewhere in the short term?

[azul]

DEATH, on 14 April 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

Former pensions minister Baroness Altman describes the corona virus in care homes societies most vulnerable being abandoned like lambs to the slaughter.Nice.
Are care homes being supplied with masks etc with the same vigour as hospitals? They should be shouldn’t they?

Umpteen reports (C4 are good for this type of report) from care homes have been documenting shortages of resources (human and PPE) for weeks and you surely heard exactly what she said?

On the number of deaths, it’s good that they are stating to get some attention. Now for once I don’t completely blame the government because like others they are following WHO’s guidelines that suggest only confirmed cases are counted. Of course that doesn’t stop other governments from reporting home/care home deaths.

This issue had been bubbling under for a few weeks and I’m sure I read that these kind of deaths would be added on a weekly basis rather than daily because of delays in recording them. That doesn’t appear to have happened. Suddenly they will have to include them which will cause shockwaves. I don’t understand why they didn’t have two counts, confirmed deaths (I.e. in hospital) and presumptive deaths (i.e in the community). The government have made a rod for their own backs on this