[Search & Destroy]

Fair play to Goku, got ahead of the curve

But is it just a bit hipster or are we witnessing a true momentum shift to
a plant based diet?

[Wooden Spoon]

Consumption of everything is out of hand. The planet is burning. Controls need to be implemented. Large reductions in meat production would be helpful. As you correctly point out, fair to to HB for being ahead of the game

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

The fact so many major players are putting veggy/vegan stuff on their shelves tells you summat's changing.

Certainly cut down on my meat consumption, partly for environmental and partly for health reasons.

[isleaiw1]

DEATH, on 17 January 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

Consumption of everything is out of hand. The planet is burning. Controls need to be implemented. Large reductions in meat production would be helpful. As you correctly point out, fair to to HB for being ahead of the game

But control over China and India’s emissions would be so much more helpful. As usual we are making changes whilst large parts of the world do nothing...

How many who are going vegan are also cutting out their overseas holidays to reduce flights, or working more flexibly so they don’t clog up our roads / rails and create more pollution?

[Goku]

How do you expect anyone to be able to answer that question on here? Or does asking questions nobody has the answer to in a snarky manner to people trying to make a difference make you feel better about your inaction? What are you doing to help things specifically?

This post has been edited by Goku: 18 January 2020 - 01:14 PM

[fishini]

Well we don't go abroad anymore. for what it's worth

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 18 January 2020 - 12:54 PM, said:

How do you expect anyone to be able to answer that question on here? Or does asking questions nobody has the answer to in a snarky manner to people trying to make a difference make you feel better about your inaction? What are you doing to help things specifically?

I cut my driving from 30k miles a year to 10k. I commute by electric train. I don’t take black cabs or Uber in London as I can walk or take a tube. I don’t buy new sh I t in the house or disposable fashion for the sake of it - only when absolutely needed. I bought a new house with much better energy efficiency than an old one....

You?

The point I was making is that as usual Britain is sticking to the rules and doing it’s bit, France will be saying we should do more and doing nothing themselves, and the US, China and India probably haven’t even recognised there is a problem yet..

This post has been edited by isleaiw1: 19 January 2020 - 09:57 AM

[Westbars Spireite]

As fan of the natural woman I prefer JanuHairy.

isleaiw1, on 19 January 2020 - 09:55 AM, said:

I cut my driving from 30k miles a year to 10k. I commute by electric train. I don’t take black cabs or Uber in London as I can walk or take a tube. I don’t buy new sh I t in the house or disposable fashion for the sake of it - only when absolutely needed. I bought a new house with much better energy efficiency than an old one....

You?

The point I was making is that as usual Britain is sticking to the rules and doing it’s bit, France will be saying we should do more and doing nothing themselves, and the US, China and India probably haven’t even recognised there is a problem yet..

His post was aimed at the opening poster.

[Goku]

I was replying to Ian, Tim

isleaiw1, on 19 January 2020 - 09:55 AM, said:

I cut my driving from 30k miles a year to 10k. I commute by electric train. I don’t take black cabs or Uber in London as I can walk or take a tube. I don’t buy new sh I t in the house or disposable fashion for the sake of it - only when absolutely needed. I bought a new house with much better energy efficiency than an old one....

You?

The point I was making is that as usual Britain is sticking to the rules and doing it’s bit, France will be saying we should do more and doing nothing themselves, and the US, China and India probably haven’t even recognised there is a problem yet..

Well I’ve never driven more than 8k in a year and I’ve been vegan for about 4 years which as I’m sure you know is the single biggest way to lower your environmental impact https://www.google.c...8631.html%3famp

But let’s not make it a dick measuring contest. I agree with what you say about other countries, i just don’t like the ‘vegans are doing this... but are they doing THIS?!’ like it’s some sort of valid gatcha.

[Westbars Spireite]

Sorry. I'll keep out of it 😂

[fishini]

Not one single action will remedy the situation. Veganism helps, cutting travel down helps, electric cars help. However what is the carbon footprint of producing said cars? Then there is the destruction of land mining for the elements required for the batteries. Then there are the child miners being used in the mines. True rain forests are being destroyed for meat production, just as it is for soya and palm oil production. It seems to me that nothing is free and everything we do there is a price to pay.

[Paul stanley]

Veganism to me is more a religion than a diet. Fussy bigger I call them. They make me laugh, supposed to not like meat then how come alot vegan products like vegan burgers and steaks look like meat! Folk want to save the planet, do what I do and don't have a car.

[Goku]

Paul stanley, on 19 January 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

Veganism to me is more a religion than a diet. Fussy bigger I call them. They make me laugh, supposed to not like meat then how come alot vegan products like vegan burgers and steaks look like meat! Folk want to save the planet, do what I do and don't have a car.

- There are some similarities to religion but the difference between the two is that veganism has tangible effects which you can measure and is often based on facts on the animal agriculture industry/health/environment whereas religion is faith-based and is essentially a group of people hoping that the deity they’ve chosen is the correct one.
- It’s not ‘being fussy’ to refuse to be complicit (as much as is possible) in slaughtering sentient beings for palette pleasure in the same way as it’s not ‘being fussy’ to refuse somebody serving you dog or cat meat as food.
- Vegans don’t usually go vegan because they don’t like the taste of meat. It’s because they want to lessen their environmental impact or have ethical issues with his meat is procured (or for their own health reasons). If you can eat something which tastes like meat but with less net damage to sentient life/the planet/yourself why would you not logically do that? This is something you would have realised had you applied roughly 5 seconds worth of critical thinking prior to posting.
- Somebody choosing to be vegan (in particular if they also choose not to consume soy, almonds and other resource-heavy/damaging foods) is doing more both environmentally for the planet and ethically in terms of net damage to sentient life than you are by not having a car.

Might I suggest you do an iota of research on the topic before wading in next time? Sometimes it’s ok to say ‘I don’t know much about the topic’.

This post has been edited by Goku: 20 January 2020 - 07:31 AM

[Westbars Spireite]

I enjoy Paul's postings. No offence to the fella, but he makes me feel super clever.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 19 January 2020 - 10:56 AM, said:

I was replying to Ian, Tim



Well I’ve never driven more than 8k in a year and I’ve been vegan for about 4 years which as I’m sure you know is the single biggest way to lower your environmental impact https://www.google.c...8631.html%3famp

But let’s not make it a dick measuring contest. I agree with what you say about other countries, i just don’t like the ‘vegans are doing this... but are they doing THIS?!’ like it’s some sort of valid gatcha.

Just been away and got talking to one of the locals where we went, who told us he was 57. He looked terrific and said his secret was..early morning swim, plenty of fresh fruit and veg and fish, occasional chicken..BUT no red meat at all ever!
Genuinely trying to reduce red meat now as a family, not sure how it will go but trying.

[fishini]

Mr Mercury, on 20 January 2020 - 08:09 PM, said:

Just been away and got talking to one of the locals where we went, who told us he was 57. He looked terrific and said his secret was..early morning swim, plenty of fresh fruit and veg and fish, occasional chicken..BUT no red meat at all ever!
Genuinely trying to reduce red meat now as a family, not sure how it will go but trying.

Homo sapiens have been eating meat since we evolved. If it's so bad it make you wonder how as a species we have survived. I may be wrong but is meat the only natural source of vitamin D and vegan have to take vitamin D supplements

[Goku]

The b12 you get from the livestock you consume comes from a tablet that gets given to them by the farmer. What’s wrong with a supplement?

Mr Mercury, on 20 January 2020 - 08:09 PM, said:

Just been away and got talking to one of the locals where we went, who told us he was 57. He looked terrific and said his secret was..early morning swim, plenty of fresh fruit and veg and fish, occasional chicken..BUT no red meat at all ever!
Genuinely trying to reduce red meat now as a family, not sure how it will go but trying.

Nice one mate. Sounds like my dads diet. Always worth trying something new out.

[fishini]

Goku, on 20 January 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

The b12 you get from the livestock you consume comes from a tablet that gets given to them by the farmer. What’s wrong with a supplement?



Nice one mate. Sounds like my dads diet. Always worth trying something new out.

So where did we get the vitamin from before it was as you say given to livestock?

[Goku]

fishini, on 21 January 2020 - 05:05 AM, said:

So where did we get the vitamin from before it was as you say given to livestock?

Dirt, untreated water and soil generally. If you want to be natural you’d have to be consuming one of those frequently or a mix of all three. Would you be happy to do that? Presumably not, thus, natural does not necessarily indicate good.

This post has been edited by Goku: 21 January 2020 - 07:49 AM

[fishini]

Goku, on 21 January 2020 - 07:43 AM, said:

Dirt, untreated water and soil generally. If you want to be natural you’d have to be consuming one of those frequently or a mix of all three. Would you be happy to do that? Presumably not, thus, natural does not necessarily indicate good.

So it was consumed by the animals in the way you describe?

This post has been edited by fishini: 21 January 2020 - 10:06 AM