[warfey is a spireite]

Would Pablo eskabans crew do dave

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Benno Spire, on 08 October 2019 - 02:12 PM, said:

I welcome any new owners especially if they are fans of the club and understand the local fans passion as shown by the comments on this thread.
I get a feeling something is about to happen especially given Phil’s post.
I only hope fans can see the magnitude of what any new owners will have to address with probably limited funds and clearing out contracted dross will take time and god knows what other “contracts” they may come across that need sorting. I would hope that any new owners provide fans with clear, short , medium and long term plans that fans can buy into and see any potential timescales for movement in the right direction. Exeter and Lincoln are two examples that spring to mind.
Like others have said on here, I still attend home games more out of keeping my collection of programmes, team sheets and ticket stubs up to date but it’s getting harder each game to justify given the poor quality and lack of effort on show.
Fans who have stayed away are no better or worse than those who have kept going. The one common denominator is a shared love and passion for a successful CFC and people have decided to show that differently.
I really hope all fans can come together under new owners to help get the club back where it belongs and to help me achieve a lifetime ambition before I die of seeing CFC in the second tier for at least one season.

People won’t simply turn up, regularly, to support a poor team, regardless of who is in charge and who the owner is. If a local consortium take over that haven’t got a pot to pee in then things will stay the same or get worse. There isn’t a cat in hells chance people will just rock up and buy tickets. A few would have to as they’d look right Charlie’s in here if they didn’t but I genuinely can’t see a few thousand just turning up.

Sounds like something may be about to kick off otherwise I can’t see why Phil is asking, but somebody is going to need some deep pockets and be willing to empty them out regularly. I hope if some group is coming in then it’s a total clear out and all the yes men go as well that have stood by and watched.

[hewittfan]

I'm still going because I was foolish enough to renew my season ticket (for a seat that then had a bus shelter erected in front of it). However, as things stand, this could be the 25th and final season that I have one unless there are changes.

I agree with those saying that ticket prices will need to be reviewed too.

[DIFH]

A difficult ask re ST when you've no idea what the fans respond will be.

[Half Full]

DEATH, on 09 October 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

I’d accept another relegation if it meant we did ourselves of the current board and owner


I’d also accept a couple of years at the level while things are stabilised, and slowly built back up

It's an interesting question about the impact of another relegation. I currently go home and away but would have to think think twice if we dropped a another level (it's a 170 mile round trip for home games). Much would depend on how much I believed any new owners could help the club recover and how reasonable and realistic their short and long term plans looked. A real issue with the current regime has been the complete absence of any strategic planning or direction especially when things started going wrong.
Phil's opening post is clearly looking to get a sense of who might return which is reasonable. Who might continue attending if things got worse would also be significant. I struggle to believe we could really consisently attract 4000+ playing at a lower level. Clearly those interested in investing in the club will understand what is needed in terms of income and what they can offer. I hope they can offer a long term solution. I wish them all the best.

[Wooden Spoon]

Half Full, on 09 October 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

It's an interesting question about the impact of another relegation. I currently go home and away but would have to think think twice if we dropped a another level (it's a 170 mile round trip for home games). Much would depend on how much I believed any new owners could help the club recover and how reasonable and realistic their short and long term plans looked. A real issue with the current regime has been the complete absence of any strategic planning or direction especially when things started going wrong.
Phil's opening post is clearly looking to get a sense of who might return which is reasonable. Who might continue attending if things got worse would also be significant. I struggle to believe we could really consisently attract 4000+ playing at a lower level. Clearly those interested in investing in the club will understand what is needed in terms of income and what they can offer. I hope they can offer a long term solution. I wish them all the best.

If it is zorros group, they need to be realistic about gates. 6000 fans won’t suddenly turn up. But I do think 4000+ is a realistic expectation.




Sound business planning and an open honest statement on the state of the club too

[Tha Knows...]

I'd guess a takeover by a local consortium would attract back non attending ST holders plus maybe 200. Any more would depend on results. People don't really want to watch non league football - especially if the team aren't winning.

[CFC91]

For me it’s much bigger than the football. I think I could put up with a couple more years of **** knowing the club would be in the right hands and hopefully laying the foundations for us to get our house in order and be in a position to make a return to where we belong

[Valley Blues]

Barrow are on the crest of a wave at the moment and are really putting themselves out there.

They are ‘slashing ticket prices’ for Saturdays visit of Dover and U16’s get in free. They hope to get 2000 in.

Fair play to them. They are flying at the moment, have the country’s top goal scorer, the joint best winning run, with Liverpool, out of the top European leagues and top five English divisions and they are shouting it from the rooftops.

It seems they are doing all they can to try and get the folk of Barrow interested in what’s happening with their local side.

Not sure our marketing team would be so productive.

[metallilad]

DEATH, on 09 October 2019 - 05:20 PM, said:

If it is zorros group, they need to be realistic about gates. 6000 fans won’t suddenly turn up. But I do think 4000+ is a realistic expectation.

It's not, or it can't be.

Zorro's group only held talks last season, went as far as pulling out because the budget the clubs running costs were at would have been too steep. Plus Zorro comes on this board so he knows the feeling towards the current regime without needing the help of Phil Tooley.
No, whoever this consortium may be it's obviously somebody who has been speaking to somebody about the state of the club and has enlisted the help of the local journalist to gauge the possible support the club will gain just by taking over.

[Mr Mercury]

metallilad, on 09 October 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

It's not, or it can't be.

Zorro's group only held talks last season, went as far as pulling out because the budget the clubs running costs were at would have been too steep. Plus Zorro comes on this board so he knows the feeling towards the current regime without needing the help of Phil Tooley.
No, whoever this consortium may be it's obviously somebody who has been speaking to somebody about the state of the club and has enlisted the help of the local journalist to gauge the possible support the club will gain just by taking over.

Zorro himself has stated that the funds reqd going forward with a sound buisness plan wouldn't be an issue with the backers they had.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 09 October 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

It's not, or it can't be.

Zorro's group only held talks last season, went as far as pulling out because the budget the clubs running costs were at would have been too steep. Plus Zorro comes on this board so he knows the feeling towards the current regime without needing the help of Phil Tooley.
No, whoever this consortium may be it's obviously somebody who has been speaking to somebody about the state of the club and has enlisted the help of the local journalist to gauge the possible support the club will gain just by taking over.

Zorro said they had the funds. His lot pulled out with the appointment of JS



PTs question isn’t to gauge feelings towards the owners, but how many would return if there was a change of owner aAND no immediate improvements on the playing side.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

There's one huge fly in this particular ointment to me - the bloke representing the owner in negotiations.

Maybe it's just my cynical nature, but I wonder if what's said during those negotiations might acquire a different, well, let's simply say 'interpretation' somewhere between Sheff Road and Apperknowle.

Because the impression I get is Carson's 'Chairman of Chesterfield' thing wasn't a one-off - infact sporting the CFC badge on a succession of junkets and jaunts is summat he's loath to leave behind.

Then of course there was the Chinese debacle when his deal deadening deposit demands seemed to trash a takeover he'd appeared negative towards from the start.

I'm sure folk have their own suspicions why.

Doesn't he possess gifted shares too? Shares possibly rendered all but worthless should his boss accept what the Club's realistically worth?

I dunno, perhaps I've got this all wrong. Perhaps the deadly duo really have had enough and they'll be as good as their 'whole shebang for a knock-down price' words.

However as always I meet the promise of progress at the Proact with a straightforward response: I'll believe it when I see it...

[Tha Knows...]

Valley Blues, on 09 October 2019 - 08:01 PM, said:

Barrow are on the crest of a wave at the moment and are really putting themselves out there.

They are ‘slashing ticket prices’ for Saturdays visit of Dover and U16’s get in free. They hope to get 2000 in.

Fair play to them. They are flying at the moment, have the country’s top goal scorer, the joint best winning run, with Liverpool, out of the top European leagues and top five English divisions and they are shouting it from the rooftops.

It seems they are doing all they can to try and get the folk of Barrow interested in what’s happening with their local side.

Not sure our marketing team would be so productive.

Given that there must be a big drop in walk ups a cheap ticket offer might be a good idea. Im a ST holder and don't mind folk getting in for a tenner. There is an obvious difference though in the product on view at Barrow and Chesterfield.

[Mr Mercury]

metallilad, on 09 October 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

It's not, or it can't be.

Zorro's group only held talks last season, went as far as pulling out because the budget the clubs running costs were at would have been too steep. Plus Zorro comes on this board so he knows the feeling towards the current regime without needing the help of Phil Tooley.
No, whoever this consortium may be it's obviously somebody who has been speaking to somebody about the state of the club and has enlisted the help of the local journalist to gauge the possible support the club will gain just by taking over.

I don't think any of that is true

[metallilad]

So are you saying that Zorro doesn't come on this board? Are you saying that he didn't hold any talks last season?
Are you saying they didn't pull out of the talks last season?

Zorro would know the feeling towards the owners and just how many people are staying away because of them so why would he get Phil Tooley to ask the question on a media platform that he has already frequented in the past and informed us about what he was doing previously on here?

[dim view]

metallilad, on 10 October 2019 - 07:22 AM, said:

So are you saying that Zorro doesn't come on this board? Are you saying that he didn't hold any talks last season?
Are you saying they didn't pull out of the talks last season?

Zorro would know the feeling towards the owners and just how many people are staying away because of them so why would he get Phil Tooley to ask the question on a media platform that he has already frequented in the past and informed us about what he was doing previously on here?

As usual, nowt's straightforward at CFC.

The chances of Phil actually believing that quality feedback which can be used by a third party can be conducted on social media are slim. Perhaps it's real purpose is to force Carson out into the open for talks, and it's worked.

[Rudeboy spireite]

Having read the posts on this subject with great interest i think that we can safely say that the majority of fans(on here at least) would be happy with such a takeover. However make no mistake it will be a massive task for all involved and it will be extremely difficult to pull off. The consortium would need both initial and continued support of local business and fans alike and when people are putting there hand in their pockets on a regular basis then they would want results even more than they do at present. As much as i dislike what DA has done it has cost him fortunes and once he has gone it will be the consortium left holding the can. I think that the idea in principal is fantastic and maybe our last chance to save the club, but we would need a combination of a few (5?) very wealthy individuals, lots of small business's prepared to sponsor the club and of course the fans to come back to support the club both vocally and financially.
It's a great model but it's also a great task to not only complete but also maintain. Here's hoping

[dim view]

Rudeboy spireite, on 10 October 2019 - 07:50 AM, said:

Having read the posts on this subject with great interest i think that we can safely say that the majority of fans(on here at least) would be happy with such a takeover. However make no mistake it will be a massive task for all involved and it will be extremely difficult to pull off. The consortium would need both initial and continued support of local business and fans alike and when people are putting there hand in their pockets on a regular basis then they would want results even more than they do at present. As much as i dislike what DA has done it has cost him fortunes and once he has gone it will be the consortium left holding the can. I think that the idea in principal is fantastic and maybe our last chance to save the club, but we would need a combination of a few (5?) very wealthy individuals, lots of small business's prepared to sponsor the club and of course the fans to come back to support the club both vocally and financially.
It's a great model but it's also a great task to not only complete but also maintain. Here's hoping

Somebody leaked the name Mark Blower. If he is involved, he has his own supply of speculators.

I believe that DA and Carson are in a pickle. The finances are on an unprecedented precipice. For the first time, DA has had to write off a huge amount of debt in order to stave off negative equity (or whatever the proper financial term is), and the receding probability of promotion means he is getting deeper and deeper into the doodoo and he'll have to make further write offs.

I understand, in a lovely ironic twist, that the write off was required partly because Allen had to make repayments to despised debenture holders out of his own pocket and that more are required.

On top of that, administrative management at CFC is rocked by incompetence and intrigue which has not dissipated throughout nearly 10 years of Carson's management.

They will sell. If they don't name a realistic price they are stupid.

[Oldtimer]

warfey is a spireite, on 09 October 2019 - 04:37 PM, said:

Would Pablo eskabans crew do dave

Yet you wander why Dave Allen shows so little empathy towards the fans