[DIFH]

RGS, on 14 January 2019 - 09:10 PM, said:

A summary - https://www.derbyshi...round-1-9537117

Re: recruitment - my understanding of MW's comment was that the board would LIKE players to be moved on if possible. Didn't sound to me like it was a pre-requisite for players coming in. Indeed Shez said at the weekend he was confident of getting a couple in this week and I've heard nothing to suggest any are going out yet.

Be silly to let ANYONE go whilst we are carrying the large number of injuries

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 January 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

FL requirement (maybe dropped now were non-league.

It's actually quite cheap and big discount through PFA for clubs.

The PFA don't offer anything to National League players hence no rep at the club

[DIFH]

moondog, on 14 January 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

39 separate incidents of pitch encroachment, fairly sure it would be for the stadium as a whole

What have they done to improve those stats pre January, I guess not a lot.

[mr. smith]

valemadness, on 14 January 2019 - 08:31 PM, said:

@editgirl1 also covered it on twitter.

A couple of things caught my attention.
MW thinks that we're a well run professional club.
MW says JS can bring players in, by may need to move players out.

The 1st one could point to where some of the problems stem from.
The 2nd one is in direct contradiction to what DA said last Wednesday

Well run professional club??
MW is a quisling who says what he’s told. The man is shameless.

[Goku]

mr. smith, on 14 January 2019 - 09:38 PM, said:

Well run professional club??
MW is a quisling who says what he’s told. The man is shameless.

what an infuriating comment. the man has no dignity and should be ashamed of himself. the definition of a lackey.

This post has been edited by Goku: 14 January 2019 - 09:40 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Okay, a quick resume off the top of my head.

Well very quick, as an old lad at the front summed things up pretty well when he said the whole event was more or less pointless.

Top table was the ass' d' called Alison (who to her credit admitted she'd had a very low profile to that point), John Croot, Mike Warner, Ashley Carson (reports of his exit are clearly premature), the Shorts bloke (who looked as uncomfortable as anyone else), Steve Coe, Lesley Brentnall and Graham Bean.

Chairman Warner began with an apology. An admission of how embarrassing and desperate everything is. But I'm not sure why he was apologising when he, like the rest of 'em, was a powerless bystander to a large degree.

We then had a discussion of the finances, including an admission by Carson CFC is on course to lose another million and a half this year. There was bewildered exasperation from the floor alongside questions why it was being allowed to happen? Again? After everything that'd happened before? 'Dave Allen' was the answer that invariably came back. His club, his decisions, his money. And the Board couldn't really do anything except what they were told.

And that's kinda how it went all evening. Shareholders questioned, they criticised, they got angry. Yet the only bloke who could properly reply wasn't there. Infact there might as well have been a replay of the last two or three AGM's for all the difference it made.

Apparently Town's available for six million. Debt free. They'd rather sell to fans, too. Supposedly. There've also been bids of a quid. Not a quid per share, but a quid for the whole lot. Which by the way it is, no splitting of the (profitable) C&B facilities from the football side. Oh, and if there's no longer football played there the site reverts back to Wilson Bowden. Which means Dave Allen can't redevelop himself.

There was a challenge to Bean about the contradiction of proposing a re-engagement with fans whilst at the same time pursuing them for an understandable protest. He said he'd no choice as Chesterfield FC was on the authorities' radar for far too many pitch invasions. Though he didn't say how many were by Town fans, how many by visiting fans or how many were merely celebratory.

Anyway, that's about it. Hopefully someone else will offer a more comprehensive, perhaps accurate account. 'Cos all I feel right now is a sense of enormous futility...

[moondog]

What worries me with the land reverting to Wilson Bowden is there appears to be nothing to stop them doing a deal to sell it to DA

[Andy Spireite]

MDCCCLXVI, on 14 January 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

Okay, a quick resume off the top of my head.

Well very quick, as an old lad at the front summed things up pretty well when he said the whole event was more or less pointless.

Top table was the ass' d' called Alison (who to her credit admitted she'd had a very low profile to that point), John Croot, Mike Warner, Ashley Carson (reports of his exit are clearly premature), the Shorts bloke (who looked as uncomfortable as anyone else), Steve Coe, Lesley Brentnall and Graham Bean.

Chairman Warner began with an apology. An admission of how embarrassing and desperate everything is. But I'm not sure why he was apologising when he, like the rest of 'em, was a powerless bystander to a large degree.

We then had a discussion of the finances, including an admission by Carson CFC is on course to lose another million and a half this year. There was bewildered exasperation from the floor alongside questions relating to why it was being allowed to happen? 'Dave Allen' was the answer that invariably came back. His club, his decisions, his money. And the Board couldn't really do anything except what they were told.

And that's kinda how it went all evening. Shareholders questioned, they criticised, they got angry. Yet the only bloke who could properly reply wasn't there. Infact there might as well have been a replay of the last two or three AGM's for all the difference there was.

Apparently Town's available for six million. Debt free. They'd rather sell to fans, too. Supposedly. There've also been bids of a quid. Not a quid per share, but a quid for the whole lot. Which by the way it is, no splitting of the (profitable) C&B facilities from the football side. Oh, and if there's no longer football played there the site reverts back to Wilson Bowden. Which means Dave Allen can't redevelop himself.

There was a challenge to Bean about the contradiction of proposing a re-engagement with fans whilst at the same time pursuing them for an understandable protest. He said he'd no choice as Chesterfield FC was on the authorities' radar for far too many pitch invasions. Though he didn't say how many were by Town fans, how many by visiting fans or how many were merely celebratory.

Anyway, that's it. Hopefully someone else will offer a more comprehensive account. 'Cos all I feel right now is a sense of enormous futility.

Good summary Chris, I also left feeling it was a futile exercise. Any difficult question about why the club is run the way it is was fobbed off as being Dave Allen’s decision.

I was though disgusted by Mike Warner’s disregard for the scandals that have permeated through the club for a number of years and he simply pointed to the fact that there was no current scandal and therefore we were to accept that CFC is a professionally run club whilst pretty much fobbing off previous misdemeanours.

Were you satisfied with Mike and John’s answer to your question by the way?

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 14 January 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

The PFA don't offer anything to National League players hence no rep at the club

Yep presumably an oversight to get any insurance hence the costly increase in medical?

[dim view]

Andy Spireite, on 14 January 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

Good summary Chris, I also left feeling it was a futile exercise.

Mostly.
Carson said that all the shares are worth £1 in total. That means he's worth threepence.
Carson implied that Allen is willing to write off 4 or 5 million quid. Why doesn't he just apply that formally to the accounts?
A subset of super fans were selected to meet Allen but it didn't happen.

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 January 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

Yep presumably an oversight to get any insurance hence the costly increase in medical?

I'd expect from previous comments made about the cost the club decided to take the risk. Also less players personally insured because of no PFA subsidy

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 14 January 2019 - 09:49 PM, said:

What worries me with the land reverting to Wilson Bowden is there appears to be nothing to stop them doing a deal to sell it to DA

But that'd mean a bloke already ten-plus millions down spending even more to get what he already owns.

And then he'd have to get the plans passed by councillors scared of the backlash.

Nah 'M', I see this as a positive rather than summat to worry about...

[erniemossity]

I would add that I thought both Alison and Leslie spoke well. OK, they aren’t going to have any say at board level, but I believe they were genuine in their passion for the club and admission that bridges need to be built. How much they will be allowed to do so remains to be seen, as it was pretty clear to me that AC will still be heavily involved in the club, and DA will do exactly as he pleases.
I’ve been to the last 3 AGMs now, and Mike Warner is a complete joke.

[Tha Knows...]

moondog, on 14 January 2019 - 09:49 PM, said:

What worries me with the land reverting to Wilson Bowden is there appears to be nothing to stop them doing a deal to sell it to DA

I don't know details of the agreement, surprised if Wilson Bowden can do much with the land eg redevelop it or sell to third party for redevelopment as it's
designated for football in councils Local Plan. If it reverted to WB they would surely need planning permission from the borough council to change its use. If change of use was refused (presumably) it would need a public inquiry before a government inspector to overturn it. Can't see it happening. Council won't leave club without a ground

[Phil V 72]

So there you have it, the song remains the same. It will continue to be run exactly as the owner wants it to be.

For me, I think this is the true position and probably an honest representation of how CFC will confine to be run. This allows me to accurately assess what I want to happen to my £20 at 3pm on a Saturday.

[moondog]

Spire-Power, on 14 January 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:

I don't know details of the agreement, surprised if Wilson Bowden can do much with the land eg redevelop it or sell to third party for redevelopment as it's
designated for football in councils Local Plan. If it reverted to WB they would surely need planning permission from the borough council to change its use. If change of use was refused (presumably) it would need a public inquiry before a government inspector to overturn it. Can't see it happening. Council won't leave club without a ground

Thanks hadn't as yet thought about the planning side

[mr. smith]

erniemossity, on 14 January 2019 - 10:05 PM, said:

I would add that I thought both Alison and Leslie spoke well. OK, they aren’t going to have any say at board level, but I believe they were genuine in their passion for the club and admission that bridges need to be built. How much they will be allowed to do so remains to be seen, as it was pretty clear to me that AC will still be heavily involved in the club, and DA will do exactly as he pleases.
I’ve been to the last 3 AGMs now, and Mike Warner is a complete joke.

If they had any integrity they’d quit rather than allow themselves to be used by the deadly duo.

[Tha Knows...]

Wonder how much MA made out of CFC for 6 months work

[Paul Fisher]

Spire-Power, on 14 January 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

Wonder how much MA made out of CFC for 6 months work

I'm sure I heard another managerial exit has cost the club £150k.

[Tha Knows...]

Darcy Sarto, on 14 January 2019 - 10:42 PM, said:

I'm sure I heard another managerial exit has cost the club £150k.

That was for him and his entourage I think. Maybe he's got a 70k pay off plus 6 months salary while he was here. If true thats not bad money for failure in such a short space of time.