[Oldtimer]

MDCCCLXVI, on 13 January 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

But why publicise the whole issue? Why even mention it at a press conference announcing the new manager? Wasn't this an opportunity to turn a page and build bridges?

Yet just as at Hillsborough Allen chose controversy and confrontation.

I understand the CEO made attempts to bring fans and owner together last week. However those attempts were dashed by the majority shareholder's continuing attitude.

Sorry but why do you assume Dave Allen is overly bothered about building bridges ?? He realises and if we're truthful so do we, that if he bring a decent standard of football played at a decent level we'll buy our season ticket regardless what we think of the owner. We like to think differently but when all the hype is removed we are simply customers buying a product.

An element of truth but we all know him well enough that if he's pushed he'll push back, so no surprise with his reaction.

Graham Bean will certainly offer DA advice on a number of matters but I think telling DA how to behave towards people won't be in his remit.

[warfey is a spireite]

Westbars Spireite, on 12 January 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

I just hope he used a reliable lubricant.

KY ANY GOOD

[Blue5]

In recent years, why have so many fans been on the receiving end of threats, harassment and intimidation?

[spireitenag]

Blue5, on 13 January 2019 - 11:40 AM, said:

In recent years, why have so many fans been on the receiving end of threats, harassment and intimidation?

Sadly that's the world some business people live and work in.

[SpireiteFitzy]

Blue5, on 13 January 2019 - 11:40 AM, said:

In recent years, why have so many fans been on the receiving end of threats, harassment and intimidation?

Because they've been exposing the never ending list of lies and scandal at the club.

Could you imagine where this club could potentially be now without the fans who have exposed all that's gone on? Bingham would be involved in the club, presumably running the scouting network to his own advantage, Alnassar would be involved in god knows what capacity with his non existant money, Chris Turner would still be here overseeing massive financial losses (nothing changed there then), Reg Brearley could have been our new owner, the fraudulent raffle would never have been discovered and would have been considered a perfect success and it's perpertrator still hired here, the dodgy links with the development school would still be operating and Sutcliffe would still be here.

This could go on and on and on but you get the point.

[Nivo]

It never really surprises me how fast things can escalate between two parties.

Look at this - https://www.thestar....l-play-1-323078

This post has been edited by Nivo: 13 January 2019 - 12:04 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Nivo, on 13 January 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

It never really surprises me how fast things can escalate between two parties.

Look at this - https://www.thestar....l-play-1-323078

What's that old adage about some feline keeping the same jacket on?

[h again]

MDCCCLXVI, on 13 January 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

But why publicise the whole issue? Why even mention it at a press conference announcing the new manager? Wasn't this an opportunity to turn a page and build bridges?

Yet just as at Hillsborough Allen chose controversy and confrontation.

I understand the CEO made attempts to bring fans and owner together last week. However those attempts were dashed by the majority shareholder's continuing attitude.

Since you haven't got a clue what the libel was, don't you think it might be wise to hold your fire until you do?
Spare us the hypocrisy about building bridges please. Your reaction to this very issue, as to all others, indicates you have no interest in doing anything other than taking the worst possible view of everything to do with CFC.

[smiffy]

Benno Spire, on 12 January 2019 - 08:05 PM, said:

I can confirm I spoke with GB today and told him my thoughts on DA's outburst and the potential legal challenge against a fan and it being not the best if he intends to try and build bridges.
The message I asked him to pass to DA was for him to get off his high horse and be a bit more humble towards the fan base.
In fairness to GB he always allows me the opportunity to speak with him and ask him questions. I can assure everyone that I am not afraid to ask him any questions, Smiffy often sits with me in the lounge and I am sure he can vouch for me asking challenging questions.
If anyone has a question they would like me to ask just send me a PM

In fairness to GB he doesn’t miss the opportunity to coming round the the lounges to get opinions . Indeed he spent a good 5 minutes talking on our table. Whether what was said falls on deaf ears remains to be seen.

[RikShaw]

A word to the wise.....i’d leave this particular post alone.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Oldtimer, on 13 January 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

Sorry but why do you assume Dave Allen is overly bothered about building bridges ?? He realises and if we're truthful so do we, that if he bring a decent standard of football played at a decent level we'll buy our season ticket regardless what we think of the owner. We like to think differently but when all the hype is removed we are simply customers buying a product.

An element of truth but we all know him well enough that if he's pushed he'll push back, so no surprise with his reaction.

Graham Bean will certainly offer DA advice on a number of matters but I think telling DA how to behave towards people won't be in his remit.

I'd guess getting folk back through the turnstiles features pretty prominently on Bean's remit.

I'd also guess his head was in his hands when witnessing the events of this week.

But you're right - we're all customers with the choice to buy or reject what Allen offers.

And what we've witnessed this week merely underlined my determination to reject it.

[bigdbh2]

Maverick, on 13 January 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

A word to the wise.....i’d leave this particular post alone.

Couldn’t agree more. I tried pointing out earlier that no one knows the reasons or has any right to debate what has/hasn’t gone on. We should leave it to those involved and get on with moaning about football.

[isleaiw1]

Has he actually followed through on any of his threats re court action? The point of course in a libel action is that you have to prove it was not factually correct and caused damage. Given the previous goings on at the club, proving it is not correct could’ve difficult and showing it has caused more damage than previous events even harder. In my humble opinion of course.

[moondog]

isleaiw1, on 13 January 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Has he actually followed through on any of his threats re court action? The point of course in a libel action is that you have to prove it was not factually correct and caused damage. Given the previous goings on at the club, proving it is not correct could’ve difficult and showing it has caused more damage than previous events even harder. In my humble opinion of course.

The fact the comments were said to be from a couple of years back and DA wasn't aware of them until recently, surely in itself proves no damage or DA would have noticed.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

h again, on 13 January 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

Since you haven't got a clue what the libel was, don't you think it might be wise to hold your fire until you do?
Spare us the hypocrisy about building bridges please. Your reaction to this very issue, as to all others, indicates you have no interest in doing anything other than taking the worst possible view of everything to do with CFC.

And since you haven't the foggiest what I do or don't know maybe it'd be wise to hold your fire before trolling me again.

Thanks for the ironic chuckle at your h-ypocrisy comment, though. Especially as you'd praised someone for sticking to on-field rather than off-field stuff only minutes earlier.

By the way, adopting a negative view of events at CFC has proved pretty accurate over the last few years.

Unlike, say, claiming Martin Allen was 'turning things around'...or a 'mammoth effort' was being made to address losses...or we'd be in the 'L2 play offs in a couple of years'...

..or telling us Ashley Carson was 'doing an impossible job in the face of hysterical abuse'...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 13 January 2019 - 01:20 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

SpireiteFitzy, on 13 January 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:

Because they've been exposing the never ending list of lies and scandal at the club.

Could you imagine where this club could potentially be now without the fans who have exposed all that's gone on? Bingham would be involved in the club, presumably running the scouting network to his own advantage, Alnassar would be involved in god knows what capacity with his non existant money, Chris Turner would still be here overseeing massive financial losses (nothing changed there then), Reg Brearley could have been our new owner, the fraudulent raffle would never have been discovered and would have been considered a perfect success and it's perpertrator still hired here, the dodgy links with the development school would still be operating and Sutcliffe would still be here.

This could go on and on and on but you get the point.

It could have been much worse than that!


Imagine if Al nasser, Bingham or sutcliffe had approached DA with a take over based on a similar repayment plan to what Darren Brown had? Had he/hey not been exposed, how close would that have been?


All paid for by gullible parents around the world paying for schooling/coaching. A squad full of Liam Graham and Daniel Wong types.



Bumping along the bottom of the conference, providing a living for these men, while not paying bills, fighting off CCJs and god knows what else, not being too bothered about accounting procedures and processes, sponsored by fictional companies, dodgy agents from around the world hawking talentless kids, for a price.

[RikShaw]

isleaiw1, on 13 January 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Has he actually followed through on any of his threats re court action?

Yes he has, a few years ago. A sum of £5000 was the result, if I remember correctly.

[Looker-on]

Nivo, on 13 January 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

It never really surprises me how fast things can escalate between two parties.

Look at this - https://www.thestar....l-play-1-323078

Did it not occur to him that it might have been a pigeon with a grievance?

[Jack Lester's Cast]

SpireiteFitzy, on 13 January 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:

Because they've been exposing the never ending list of lies and scandal at the club.

Could you imagine where this club could potentially be now without the fans who have exposed all that's gone on? Bingham would be involved in the club, presumably running the scouting network to his own advantage, Alnassar would be involved in god knows what capacity with his non existant money, Chris Turner would still be here overseeing massive financial losses (nothing changed there then), Reg Brearley could have been our new owner, the fraudulent raffle would never have been discovered and would have been considered a perfect success and it's perpertrator still hired here, the dodgy links with the development school would still be operating and Sutcliffe would still be here.

This could go on and on and on but you get the point.

This is a scary thought.

[Somerset Spireite]

dim view, on 12 January 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

Top post.
Allen might have the best solicitor in Yorkshire, but he's got the worst advisors.

I suppose after his midweek charm offensive he'll be highly offended now if the Carson song is aired this afto. He'll be the only one that is.

Not often you see the words "Allen" and "charm offensive" in the same post!