[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Blue5, on 24 November 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

How does that compare with David's personal favourites?

Danny "One Of Our Own Rubbish" Wilson

Gary "As Much Good As A Chocolate Fireguard" Caldwell

Jack "One Of Our Own Rubbish" Lester

I just wonder who'll be scapegoated this time.

We saw Dave Trump walk out rather than discuss the catalogue of scandals on Sheff Road, scandals that his appointments paid for with their jobs.

Though bizarrely the one widely viewed as his main henchman remains in situ.

We then watched, amidst jaw dropping disbelief, as he publicly re-wrote reality.

Infact the bloke whose football club had just suffered successive relegations - to the point of finishing bottom of the entire football league - declared 'I don't do failure'.

Well this manager's his man. Hired because of his direct attitude. Whilst the owner who used to champion entertainment ignored his reputation for direct football. So this time the pigeon fancier's nowhere to go.

Apart from out, perhaps.

I'm led to believe he's recently closed a business in Sheff and offloaded another in London - which clearly begs the question of what's different in Town's case? When will it all become more trouble than it's worth? Will the Proact doors be locked rather than admit the failure he 'doesn't do'?

Sadly, that increasingly looks like the only way this ongoing nightmare will end...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 25 November 2018 - 08:59 AM

[NOFX]

AllTownArentWe, on 24 November 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

I wonder if the club would be able to function in the National League North with a huge debt and probably another 1000 knocked off the crowd.

I don’t think it would. My biggest fear is that allen says “no more money “ and then flogs the ground. He relinquished control at sheff weds but still has an arrangement to get his money back. He’ll always want his money or shares back, but can’t have it. The only way out for the club is when our owner expires. Harsh but true.

[Bluekent]

Mr Mercury, on 25 November 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

Is it possible to accept that somebody has a different view. He thought we played well in patches, you didn't!

Works both ways tho doesn’t it?

[Mr Mercury]

Bluekent, on 25 November 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

Works both ways tho doesn’t it?

Yes of course.

[Blue5]

NOFX, on 25 November 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

I don’t think it would. My biggest fear is that allen says “no more money “ and then flogs the ground. He relinquished control at sheff weds but still has an arrangement to get his money back. He’ll always want his money or shares back, but can’t have it. The only way out for the club is when our owner expires. Harsh but true.

Why do you fear David saying no more money? Why do you not fear him saying, right from today this business is going to be run correctly with suitably experienced and qualified staff?

[Tha Knows...]

CFC91, on 25 November 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

It wasn’t great and how MA hasn’t got the fans on his back I’ll never know. It’s crazy he’s still in a job. We are a very poor side.

Saunders was DAs choice but he had to sack him when the crowd chanted Saunders Out. The same goes for M Allen. I dont know why but the kop are keeping him in a job and everyone can see the consequences.

[Wooden Spoon]

Blue5, on 25 November 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

Why do you fear David saying no more money? Why do you not fear him saying, right from today this business is going to be run correctly with suitably experienced and qualified staff?

If he was going to do that, wouldn’t that have happened 3 or 4 seasons ago ? If not from the season after Alen Walters left?



For whatever reason the owner appears to have no interest in running the club properly or appointing someone who will

[Tha Knows...]

His results weren't accepted at Eastleigh but they are at Chesterfield!

[spireitetoo]

Mr Mercury, on 25 November 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

Is it possible to accept that somebody has a different view. He thought we played well in patches, you didn't!

I do accept others opinions, what I don't accept is getting posts insinuating I was pist and that's why I saw the game as I did, maybe just maybe it wasn't me that was watching thru beer goggles??

[Blue5]

DEATH, on 25 November 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

If he was going to do that, wouldn’t that have happened 3 or 4 seasons ago ? If not from the season after Alen Walters left?



For whatever reason the owner appears to have no interest in running the club properly or appointing someone who will

Very odd because logic tells us that a well-run business would be less reliant on cash injections to ensure it can continue trading.

[Mr Mercury]

Blue5, on 25 November 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Very odd because logic tells us that a well-run business would be less reliant on cash injections to ensure it can continue trading.

And that as been the unanswerable question for nearly four years now!

[clarevoyant.]

spireitetoo, on 25 November 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I do accept others opinions, what I don't accept is getting posts insinuating I was pist and that's why I saw the game as I did, maybe just maybe it wasn't me that was watching thru beer goggles??

It was a joke dear boy, tying in your posts on the "eastleigh saturday" thread stating you'd found some decent ale (i defiantly disagree with your assesment of the ale in the 2 pubs mentioned).
Heres my list of teams that on the day have been miles better than us:- Gateshead Sutton (pitch?) with you having uninterrupted vision can you add to it?
Or are all teams crap and directionless?

Also concider, in the good not so old days if you took Morsy Ryan and Lester out of the team we may have struggled. Well (this is no comparison of the players) the same could be said for Wedgebury, Carter and Hines. Hines was a big miss yesterday, they struggled with JBW, LA running at their left back area ZH would have had a field day.
What was your opinion of the first minute two footed challange, the one a bit like JBWs at Barrow?

[Wooden Spoon]

Blue5, on 25 November 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Very odd because logic tells us that a well-run business would be less reliant on cash injections to ensure it can continue trading.

Indeed, it’s odd to the point of defying any logic.


As Sherlock said, once the likely options have been eliminated the one left left, no matter how bizarre, has to be the truth.



He’s closed, sold or restructured businesses when they have not performed how he wanted.....yet CFC remains the same. You can only conclude it’s being run to his liking.



The next question on my mind then, has he reached the point where it’s finished for him? He clearly isn’t interested in the football or league position. The Football league payments have ended. What are his options now? Relegation to the national north might very well happen, leaving him further in the black hole, even lower revenues from sponsors, lower gates etc.


Liquidation, and the appointed liquidator sell the ground/land and David calls it quits? The club is worthless as it stands. No one is going to buy it for anything like his £8-6 million valuation, probably be lucky to get half of that. What’s the land worth?

[spireitetoo]

clarevoyant., on 25 November 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

It was a joke dear boy, tying in your posts on the "eastleigh saturday" thread stating you'd found some decent ale (i defiantly disagree with your assesment of the ale in the 2 pubs mentioned).
Heres my list of teams that on the day have been miles better than us:- Gateshead Sutton (pitch?) with you having uninterrupted vision can you add to it?
Or are all teams crap and directionless?

Also concider, in the good not so old days if you took Morsy Ryan and Lester out of the team we may have struggled. Well (this is no comparison of the players) the same could be said for Wedgebury, Carter and Hines. Hines was a big miss yesterday, they struggled with JBW, LA running at their left back area ZH would have had a field day.
What was your opinion of the first minute two footed challange, the one a bit like JBWs at Barrow?

We did lose those players at times tho, and Jack rarely figured at all in the promotion season, cookie seemed to freeze him out for some reason, but unlike this team there was still enough quality at the level we were at then to see us still get the wins to keep us up there, this team has the ability, they prove that with wins at fylde and ricay in the Cup, we don't have the manager able to motivate/organise them into a fluid footballing team, as for the 2 footer, that just shows how bad and inconsistent the refs are in this league...

[Mr Mercury]

spireitetoo, on 25 November 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

We did lose those players at times tho, and Jack rarely figured at all in the promotion season, cookie seemed to freeze him out for some reason, but unlike this team there was still enough quality at the level we were at then to see us still get the wins to keep us up there, this team has the ability, they prove that with wins at fylde and ricay in the Cup, we don't have the manager able to motivate/organise them into a fluid footballing team, as for the 2 footer, that just shows how bad and inconsistent the refs are in this league...

Jack had left the club before the Cookie promotion season. It was the season before were he appeared to be frozen out.

[Tha Knows...]

clarevoyant., on 25 November 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

It was a joke dear boy, tying in your posts on the "eastleigh saturday" thread stating you'd found some decent ale (i defiantly disagree with your assesment of the ale in the 2 pubs mentioned).
Heres my list of teams that on the day have been miles better than us:- Gateshead Sutton (pitch?) with you having uninterrupted vision can you add to it?
Or are all teams crap and directionless?

Also concider, in the good not so old days if you took Morsy Ryan and Lester out of the team we may have struggled. Well (this is no comparison of the players) the same could be said for Wedgebury, Carter and Hines. Hines was a big miss yesterday, they struggled with JBW, LA running at their left back area ZH would have had a field day.
What was your opinion of the first minute two footed challange, the one a bit like JBWs at Barrow?

Ah, so we are just very unlucky!

[Blue5]

DEATH, on 25 November 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

The next question on my mind then, has he reached the point where it’s finished for him? He clearly isn’t interested in the football or league position. The Football league payments have ended. What are his options now? Relegation to the national north might very well happen, leaving him further in the black hole, even lower revenues from sponsors, lower gates etc.

Why do you think any of that is important to him? As he still owns the club he does not appear to be in any hurry to call it a day.

[Wooden Spoon]

Blue5 said:

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Why do you think any of that is important to him? As he still owns the club he does not appear to be in any hurry to call it a day.

When he first took over I worked with a Wednesday fan, who said he’d probably be ok for us, at our level, revenues level of investment needed etc...but that he was a dissaster for them because he didn’t have/wouldn’t spend the sort of money needed to make a significant difference, but was intransigent in his attitude, insisting the club be run profitably etc yet the debts seemed to be increasing.......and significantly he said “one thing is for sure though, Dave Allen won’t lose money personally.....he will get his money back”



So, how does David get his money back?



He appears to have given up trying make the club a success both on and off the field, he appears to have given up with the club “as a rich mans hobby”(think back to JS and Wembley) ?


The club is worthless, anyone taking over is going to have to fund ongoing losses for a year or two until things are stabilised, contracts and staff sorted out and so on.....who in their right mind, and being independent of the owner is going to buy it?



I don’t see an option open for the owner, other than what’s stated above, for any return on his cash, just more losses, more debts. He won’t keep doing it forever.

[frearsghost]

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To be fair it didn't really hit the bar in the sense that it rebounded back into play. It was a good effort but the shot just skimmed the top of the crossbar and went out for a goal kick. That's how I saw it.

[Rodney's Moustache]

Johnnyspireite7, on 25 November 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

Your levels of dickheadery reach new levels, Did you actually go? you ask, reading his posts throughout the match would obviously show that he was there. Pull your head in and read the whole thread before commenting.

Berating someones views who actually went to the match when he didn't go himself. Unbelievable!