[azul]

Bankrobber, on 28 April 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

I see David Conn is at the ground today

Should be a good read next week

[h again]

isleaiw1, on 28 April 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

Not one of his better wind up efforts!

So you don't think the size of crowds that might encourage the owner to put more money in is important? You think raising the subject is winding you up? And you're an accountant. Well, well.

[h again]

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 05:15 PM, said:

Me. And the away fans of Villa, Cardiff, Middlesbrough, SUFC, SWFC, Derby, Fulham, Wolves, Leeds, and many others who would help swell our crowds substantially.
And plenty of CFC fans, for whom see their team playing in tier two is either a faint memory, or, mostly, a lifetime first.
You have surpassed yourself.

You see, the problem is, I go to watch my team win, or at least put on a competitive game. I don't go to see them get a football lesson every week from teams who can afford the ridiculous salaries that are paid in the Championship. And I know very well, as we all do, that we can't possibly afford those salaries on gates of 7000. OK, lots more away fans, but what home support to watch us lose very week? The diehards have done brilliantly this season, but the 7000 figure includes the non-committed, obviously, and they'd soon disappear.
When you're considering the donation of 4 million quid extra, (a low estimate) these are the factors you need to think about.
DA might have got it wrong. He might have financed such a succesful run that he'd have been ble to sell the club, but the downside is more vast sums out of pocket and no guarentee we wouldn't be exactly where we are now. If it had been my money I know which way I'd have jumped. As it was somebody elses, I wish he'd spent it.
.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again said:

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You see, the problem is, I go to watch my team win, or at least put on a competitive game. I don't go to see them get a football lesson every week from teams who can afford the ridiculous salaries that are paid in the Championship. And I know very well, as we all do, that we can't possibly afford those salaries on gates of 7000. OK, lots more away fans, but what home support to watch us lose very week? The diehards have done brilliantly this season, but the 7000 figure includes the non-committed, obviously, and they'd soon disappear.
When you're considering the donation of 4 million quid extra, (a low estimate) these are the factors you need to think about.
DA might have got it wrong. He might have financed such a succesful run that he'd have been ble to sell the club, but the downside is more vast sums out of pocket and no guarentee we wouldn't be exactly where we are now. If it had been my money I know which way I'd have jumped. As it was somebody elses, I wish he'd spent it.
.

A poor effort.

2/10 on the jesterometer.

Your trolling standards really are slipping.

[h again]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 28 April 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

What is Burton’s budget?

£8.5 million wage bill. Their most expensive player Liam Boyce, cost £500,000.
Source is Daily Telegraph, and I never trust newspapsers, but I'll go with that in the absence of 'owt else.
You know we've had a rotten season and conceded 31 goals at home - well they've conceded 43, no less. Imagine going to watch that every week.

[lindave]

If that was the correct attendance today, that was a good turn out from Blues fans. I guessed at 4800 at kick off.

[jonnythespireite]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

£8.5 million wage bill. Their most expensive player Liam Boyce, cost £500,000.
Source is Daily Telegraph, and I never trust newspapsers, but I'll go with that in the absence of 'owt else.
You know we've had a rotten season and conceded 31 goals at home - well they've conceded 43, no less. Imagine going to watch that every week.

Clearly you don’t understand the concept of supporting a football team.

[Stockholm Spireite]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

So you don't think the size of crowds that might encourage the owner to put more money in is important? You think raising the subject is winding you up? And you're an accountant. Well, well.

Some numbers for you to digest.

Debt to DA when we were in L1 playoffs 2015? Circa £6m - an approximation

Championship payments broken down:

1 - Basic award to all clubs: £2.084m
2 - Solidarity payment to all clubs: £4.3m
3 - Televised game as home team: £100,000 per game
4 - Televised game as away team: £10,000 per game
5 - Prize money on a sliding scale from 20th place to 1st: £2m to £40m

So, if CFC made it to the Championship for only one season and finished last in 20th place, they would have banked monies from points 1,2 and 5 as a guarantee. I'll omit TV payments as nobody could predict was the schedule for CFC might have been and I don't want to skew the figures.

The total is £8.384m. That is greater than DA's debt. He would have absolved the debt completely purely with this revenue.

We are not even touching season ticket sales revenue, where it could be successfully estimated that ST's would have risen in line with the first ever season in the championship. Add in the names of the 9 travelling teams that 60s 70s Spireite lists below - and it is entirely feasible to think that we might have been close to full capacity for a number of home games.

Add in concourse sales, conference & banqueting, merchandising and also foreign TV revenues and you begin to look at income at over £10m for one season.

DA could have said to PC, this is as far as I go. One season here and and I'm selling whilst on the crest of this wave. Do what you can with this squad because I won't try to compete with Blackburn, Wolves, QPR, Cardiff, Forest, etc. Portsmouth are sniffing and other will too, You do what's best for you and I'll do the same.

So with these figures, do you really believe that DA saw what was coming and decided to cut and run before he could cut a piece out of Championship money? No, me neither.

[jonnythespireite]

Stockholm Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

Some numbers for you to digest.

Debt to DA when we were in L1 playoffs 2015? Circa £6m - an approximation

Championship payments broken down:

1 - Basic award to all clubs: £2.084m
2 - Solidarity payment to all clubs: £4.3m
3 - Televised game as home team: £100,000 per game
4 - Televised game as away team: £10,000 per game
5 - Prize money on a sliding scale from 20th place to 1st: £2m to £40m

So, if CFC made it to the Championship for only one season and finished last in 20th place, they would have banked monies from points 1,2 and 5 as a guarantee. I'll omit TV payments as nobody could predict was the schedule for CFC might have been and I don't want to skew the figures.

The total is £8.384m. That is greater than DA's debt. He would have absolved the debt completely purely with this revenue.

We are not even touching season ticket sales revenue, where it could be successfully estimated that ST's would have risen in line with the first ever season in the championship. Add in the names of the 9 travelling teams that 60s 70s Spireite lists below - and it is entirely feasible to think that we might have been close to full capacity for a number of home games.

Add in concourse sales, conference & banqueting, merchandising and also foreign TV revenues and you begin to look at income at over £10m for one season.

DA could have said to PC, this is as far as I go. One season here and and I'm selling whilst on the crest of this wave. Do what you can with this squad because I won't try to compete with Blackburn, Wolves, QPR, Cardiff, Forest, etc. Portsmouth are sniffing and other will too, You do what's best for you and I'll do the same.

So with these figures, do you really believe that DA saw what was coming and decided to cut and run before he could cut a piece out of Championship money? No, me neither.

I think the term H Again is searching for is ‘well that has urine.ed right on my chips’. Haha. Owned.

[Walton Spireite]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

£8.5 million wage bill. Their most expensive player Liam Boyce, cost £500,000.
Source is Daily Telegraph, and I never trust newspapsers, but I'll go with that in the absence of 'owt else.
You know we've had a rotten season and conceded 31 goals at home - well they've conceded 43, no less. Imagine going to watch that every week.

It’s about time you fronted up.

[Westbars Spireite]

jonnythespireite, on 28 April 2018 - 07:01 PM, said:

I think the term H Again is searching for is ‘well that has urine.ed right on my chips’. Haha. Owned.

He’ll pretend he hasn’t seen it.

[whittman]

Stockholm Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

Some numbers for you to digest.

Debt to DA when we were in L1 playoffs 2015? Circa £6m - an approximation

Championship payments broken down:

1 - Basic award to all clubs: £2.084m
2 - Solidarity payment to all clubs: £4.3m
3 - Televised game as home team: £100,000 per game
4 - Televised game as away team: £10,000 per game
5 - Prize money on a sliding scale from 20th place to 1st: £2m to £40m

So, if CFC made it to the Championship for only one season and finished last in 20th place, they would have banked monies from points 1,2 and 5 as a guarantee. I'll omit TV payments as nobody could predict was the schedule for CFC might have been and I don't want to skew the figures.

The total is £8.384m. That is greater than DA's debt. He would have absolved the debt completely purely with this revenue.

We are not even touching season ticket sales revenue, where it could be successfully estimated that ST's would have risen in line with the first ever season in the championship. Add in the names of the 9 travelling teams that 60s 70s Spireite lists below - and it is entirely feasible to think that we might have been close to full capacity for a number of home games.

Add in concourse sales, conference & banqueting, merchandising and also foreign TV revenues and you begin to look at income at over £10m for one season.

DA could have said to PC, this is as far as I go. One season here and and I'm selling whilst on the crest of this wave. Do what you can with this squad because I won't try to compete with Blackburn, Wolves, QPR, Cardiff, Forest, etc. Portsmouth are sniffing and other will too, You do what's best for you and I'll do the same.

So with these figures, do you really believe that DA saw what was coming and decided to cut and run before he could cut a piece out of Championship money? No, me neither.

Especially when the stated aim of Allen when he took over was Championship in 5 years?

Surley his advisors would have given him an idea of the costs involved in trying to realise that aim?


Then again if you know who was involved back then who knows

[h again]

Stockholm Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

Some numbers for you to digest.

Debt to DA when we were in L1 playoffs 2015? Circa £6m - an approximation

Championship payments broken down:

1 - Basic award to all clubs: £2.084m
2 - Solidarity payment to all clubs: £4.3m
3 - Televised game as home team: £100,000 per game
4 - Televised game as away team: £10,000 per game
5 - Prize money on a sliding scale from 20th place to 1st: £2m to £40m

So, if CFC made it to the Championship for only one season and finished last in 20th place, they would have banked monies from points 1,2 and 5 as a guarantee. I'll omit TV payments as nobody could predict was the schedule for CFC might have been and I don't want to skew the figures.

The total is £8.384m. That is greater than DA's debt. He would have absolved the debt completely purely with this revenue.

We are not even touching season ticket sales revenue, where it could be successfully estimated that ST's would have risen in line with the first ever season in the championship. Add in the names of the 9 travelling teams that 60s 70s Spireite lists below - and it is entirely feasible to think that we might have been close to full capacity for a number of home games.

Add in concourse sales, conference & banqueting, merchandising and also foreign TV revenues and you begin to look at income at over £10m for one season.

DA could have said to PC, this is as far as I go. One season here and and I'm selling whilst on the crest of this wave. Do what you can with this squad because I won't try to compete with Blackburn, Wolves, QPR, Cardiff, Forest, etc. Portsmouth are sniffing and other will too, You do what's best for you and I'll do the same.

So with these figures, do you really believe that DA saw what was coming and decided to cut and run before he could cut a piece out of Championship money? No, me neither.

[h again]

Stockholm Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 06:59 PM, said:

Some numbers for you to digest.

Debt to DA when we were in L1 playoffs 2015? Circa £6m - an approximation

Championship payments broken down:

1 - Basic award to all clubs: £2.084m
2 - Solidarity payment to all clubs: £4.3m
3 - Televised game as home team: £100,000 per game
4 - Televised game as away team: £10,000 per game
5 - Prize money on a sliding scale from 20th place to 1st: £2m to £40m

So, if CFC made it to the Championship for only one season and finished last in 20th place, they would have banked monies from points 1,2 and 5 as a guarantee. I'll omit TV payments as nobody could predict was the schedule for CFC might have been and I don't want to skew the figures.

The total is £8.384m. That is greater than DA's debt. He would have absolved the debt completely purely with this revenue.

We are not even touching season ticket sales revenue, where it could be successfully estimated that ST's would have risen in line with the first ever season in the championship. Add in the names of the 9 travelling teams that 60s 70s Spireite lists below - and it is entirely feasible to think that we might have been close to full capacity for a number of home games.

Add in concourse sales, conference & banqueting, merchandising and also foreign TV revenues and you begin to look at income at over £10m for one season.

DA could have said to PC, this is as far as I go. One season here and and I'm selling whilst on the crest of this wave. Do what you can with this squad because I won't try to compete with Blackburn, Wolves, QPR, Cardiff, Forest, etc. Portsmouth are sniffing and other will too, You do what's best for you and I'll do the same.

So with these figures, do you really believe that DA saw what was coming and decided to cut and run before he could cut a piece out of Championship money? No, me neither.

Excellent stuff. Thank you for that, and a pity a few others coudn't have added some reasonable facts and argument instead of the usual knee-jerk.
But, and there's always a but, why with all that money for the taking did DA get out? If spending was already high, that looks like the answer to a prayer - sit back, get hammered, get relegated and collect enough to clear all debts and sell the club.
On those figures it's a no-brainer. Even if we failed to reach 20th place we couldn't help but make a big dent in the debt. So why did he get out right on the brink of achieving what he set out to do? That's not looking for confrontation, by the way, I'm genuinely puzzled.

[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Excellent stuff. Thank you for that, and a pity a few others coudn't have added some reasonable facts and argument instead of the usual knee-jerk.
But, and there's always a but, why with all that money for the taking did DA get out? If spending was already high, that looks like the answer to a prayer - sit back, get hammered, get relegated and collect enough to clear all debts and sell the club.
On those figures it's a no-brainer. Even if we failed to reach 20th place we couldn't help but make a big dent in the debt. So why did he get out right on the brink of achieving what he set out to do? That's not looking for confrontation, by the way, I'm genuinely puzzled.

You’ve already had a summary of Burton excellent financial results for last year presented to you, but as usual you were so intent on your own agenda at the time.

[h again]

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

You’ve already had a summary of Burton excellent financial results for last year presented to you, but as usual you were so intent on your own agenda at the time.

Don't do agendas. I just keep an open mind and try to understand what's going on. You should try it.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again said:

1524947411[/url]' post='1386832']
Don't do agendas. I just keep an open mind and try to understand what's going on. You should try it.

That’s better

5.5/10 on the jesterometer.

[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Don't do agendas. I just keep an open mind and try to understand what's going on. You should try it.

Open mind? Really?
Love it when you use the phrase ‘you should try it’. Arrogance personified.

[azul]

h again, on 28 April 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Don't do agendas. I just keep an open mind and try to understand what's going on. You should try it.

Why do people loath you?

[fishini]

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Open mind? Really?
Love it when you use the phrase ‘you should try it’. Arrogance personified.

The jester is as arrogant as the snake Carson and like the snake he is also a lier. Carson 10 and the jester 9.5 on the hateometer