[Andrews]

Siberian Spireite, on 26 July 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

The original MA statement just went back up on the official site: https://www.chesterf...eover-collapse/

Was it pulled originally because Cashley wanted to have the first word on it, I wonder?

I would have thought that as protocol goes the announcement like that had to come from a Director of the club and not the Manager

[azul]

Siberian Spireite, on 26 July 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

The original MA statement just went back up on the official site: https://www.chesterf...eover-collapse/

Was it pulled originally because Cashley wanted to have the first word on it, I wonder?

I think we have much to thank MA for, regardless of how this season goes on the pitch

[Stockholm Spireite]

Andrews, on 26 July 2018 - 11:21 PM, said:

I would have thought that as protocol goes the announcement like that had to come from a Director of the club and not the Manager

But the announcement you're referring to is titled "Manager's reaction to Takeover Collapse". So how could the reaction from MA come from a director?

[spireitetoo]

It seems from all this, that MA is more one of us, than one of them.

[moondog]

Siberian Spireite, on 26 July 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

The original MA statement just went back up on the official site: https://www.chesterf...eover-collapse/

Was it pulled originally because Cashley wanted to have the first word on it, I wonder?

That's not the original statement although it includes some of the same content

[Johnnyspireite7]

Andrews, on 26 July 2018 - 11:21 PM, said:

I would have thought that as protocol goes the announcement like that had to come from a Director of the club and not the Manager

That would be the Director/Chairman who no one believes a word that come out of his mouth and needs more fact checking than anything on Fox News or anything that comes out of the Orange Toupee that's in the White House would it.......yeah OK!

[RikShaw]

Amazing isn’t it? We been hoping for a takeover for ages, now we are ‘relieved’ this one hasn’t gone through!

Are they just messing with us?

#betterthedevilyouknow

This post has been edited by Maverick: 27 July 2018 - 06:53 AM

[Mr Mercury]

Maverick, on 27 July 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

Amazing isn’t it? We been hoping for a takeover for ages, now we are ‘relieved’ this one hasn’t gone through!

Are they just messing with us?

#betterthedevilyouknow

There's one little grey area in all of this...MA has made it crystal clear he would never work under a director of football, even saying he would have probably walked if the consortium had taken over, yet on the official club statement on the collapse it says negotiations have been ongoing for five months, well before MA got the job, so was he told about the takeover talk going on in the background or didn't he have a clue? Let's hope now that MA can get on with the job he has started off so well.

[dtp]

Mr Mercury, on 27 July 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

There's one little grey area in all of this...MA has made it crystal clear he would never work under a director of football, even saying he would have probably walked if the consortium had taken over, yet on the official club statement on the collapse it says negotiations have been ongoing for five months, well before MA got the job, so was he told about the takeover talk going on in the background or didn't he have a clue? Let's hope now that MA can get on with the job he has started off so well.

Grey area or not these things have a habit of raising their faces, disappearing, then coming back again,on a recurring basis.

But, previously I believe Shorts Accountants had been responsible for any due diligence on the Club's part. Whether or not they were involved this time is open to question but certainly solicitors have been involved in the drawing up of contracts, seeing proof of funding stated to be to their satisfaction etc and I find it hard to believe that DA wouldn't take any professional advice regarding due diligence for a deal of this magnitude.

Perhaps, in future he could save a bit of wonga and ask a few members of this board to do the job instead.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Something else, too.

If this really was a fresh start, a totally independent consortium seeing the Irish folk duo finally leave, why would they give a damn what the Manager or fans thought?

I mean, it's not as if they've ever bothered before...

[moondog]

Mr Mercury, on 27 July 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

There's one little grey area in all of this...MA has made it crystal clear he would never work under a director of football, even saying he would have probably walked if the consortium had taken over, yet on the official club statement on the collapse it says negotiations have been ongoing for five months, well before MA got the job, so was he told about the takeover talk going on in the background or didn't he have a clue? Let's hope now that MA can get on with the job he has started off so well.

He was only told late last week, at least now he'll better understand why the fans have grievances against the current regime

[moondog]

dtp, on 27 July 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

Grey area or not these things have a habit of raising their faces, disappearing, then coming back again,on a recurring basis.

But, previously I believe Shorts Accountants had been responsible for any due diligence on the Club's part. Whether or not they were involved this time is open to question but certainly solicitors have been involved in the drawing up of contracts, seeing proof of funding stated to be to their satisfaction etc and I find it hard to believe that DA wouldn't take any professional advice regarding due diligence for a deal of this magnitude.

Perhaps, in future he could save a bit of wonga and ask a few members of this board to do the job instead.

That was suggested last year after the Bingham fiasco and actually subsquently happened behind the scenes in respect to an individual the club wished to employ.

[twistedspire]

Mr "I call a spade a shovel"

7 July
“I had a conversation with Dave and he said forget it until the end of the season, we’ll see where we are. “We’ll stop actively pursuing anything.”

26 July
"Following five months of negotiations over the sale of the football club......We firmly believe that the offer was genuine and entered into NDAs and due dilligence over a six-week period"

If anyone at the club even told half a truth i think the earth would start turning the opposite way round.

This post has been edited by twistedspire: 27 July 2018 - 08:03 AM

[Stoptalkingbol]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 26 July 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

Well I did find Ashley Carson in my wardrobe one morning after finishing nights, the wife said he was looking for woodworm. Hang on a minute that was about 6 years ago

😂

[DIFH]

Mr Mercury, on 27 July 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

There's one little grey area in all of this...MA has made it crystal clear he would never work under a director of football, even saying he would have probably walked if the consortium had taken over, yet on the official club statement on the collapse it says negotiations have been ongoing for five months, well before MA got the job, so was he told about the takeover talk going on in the background or didn't he have a clue? Let's hope now that MA can get on with the job he has started off so well.

I think the biggest influence on this statement was that MA made it clear he wouldn't work under a Football Director. I think we are being spun a tale to an extent to save a bit of face and an attempt to create a bit of feel good factor in it. MA wouldn't have joined us in the first place if he didn't have full control of his recruitment, negotiations may have been going on for 5 months but it is clear MA wasn't clear on the Director of football intention.

Anyway I'm glad this episode has been put to bed and we've kept MA who has done a sterling job so far in uniting everyone to an extent. We now need a good start to the season to continue the feel good factor, we need the fans to turn up and I would like the #napm guy to reconsider returning to the fold. There is no league money next season if we stay in this league so that will mean a reduced budget and limbo for returning to the FL.

The one point in all of this is the club cannot bring themselves to come out on video asking for a fresh star, it's all done through the media statements and MA. a little humility goes a long way.

[Blue5]

moondog, on 27 July 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

That was suggested last year after the Bingham fiasco and actually subsquently happened behind the scenes in respect to an individual the club wished to employ.

Ashley is playing with you. They have the resources and access to the best financial and legal advisors in South Yorkshire and Derbyshire to conduct due diligence, yet BB members need to fill the void. Do me a favour!

Do you not think that David and Ashley are more than aware of the likes Reg Brealey, Richard Chester and Tony Kenworthy? Which serious investor, intent on making a go of it would have a 78 year old lined up as CEO and a bloke as DoF who has been out of the professional game for years?

Ashley has gone out of his way to say this group had offered considerably more than £3M, that being the case I would like him to identify who the money-man was!

To conclude, if this deal was right for David and Ashley, why would either care if this new group, and I use the word 'new' extremely loosely, had wanted to install a DoF which may have upset Martin?

It all looks to me like this group was carefully assembled, though perhaps not carefully enough, for others to hide behind.

[Phil V 72]

Trying to unpick it all and making it all make sense isn't easy but from what I've gathered on here, and putting aside whether the consortium was genuine or not Dave Allen would have retained an interest of some sort. Which means, he has a vested interest in the club being successful - if he lets anyone take control of it who is going to risk it falling into administration then he could potentially lose control of his investment.

In his last interview DA's view is that the most important thing in a successful club is a good manager, and Martin Allen is very much DA's man. Whether Martin Allen would have told him directly or whether word got to DA that the manager might walk, this must have set alarm bells ringing. DA, for all his faults, ain't daft and the last thing he wants is another period of Branston/Caldwell/Lester - type appointments. He might not give two hoots about the fans but he does care about getting his money back at some point, so any murmourings of MA leaving puts his plan back at square one and his investment, even secured as a charge against the stadium, is no longer on a sure footing.

What the club needs now is a period of stability and consistency - since MA was appointed the club has started to regain this. Why? Well, because he's put a single person in charge of many areas of the club who KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. On that alone, I'll hold my hands up and say it looks like DA has made a good appointment. Much as I hate to say it I think the 2 Allen's are probably the best scenario for CFC at the moment. This isn't a post defending DA and I don't forget what's happened but talking to a Stockport fan at work makes me realise that we need to get back into the league ASAP. There could well be summat fishy in the background to this process but I'm glad it's fallen through and I'm leaning towards a 'better the devil you know' stance at the moment.

[dtp]

Phil V 72, on 27 July 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Trying to unpick it all and making it all make sense isn't easy but from what I've gathered on here, and putting aside whether the consortium was genuine or not Dave Allen would have retained an interest of some sort. Which means, he has a vested interest in the club being successful - if he lets anyone take control of it who is going to risk it falling into administration then he could potentially lose control of his investment.

In his last interview DA's view is that the most important thing in a successful club is a good manager, and Martin Allen is very much DA's man. Whether Martin Allen would have told him directly or whether word got to DA that the manager might walk, this must have set alarm bells ringing. DA, for all his faults, ain't daft and the last thing he wants is another period of Branston/Caldwell/Lester - type appointments. He might not give two hoots about the fans but he does care about getting his money back at some point, so any murmourings of MA leaving puts his plan back at square one and his investment, even secured as a charge against the stadium, is no longer on a sure footing.

What the club needs now is a period of stability and consistency - since MA was appointed the club has started to regain this. Why? Well, because he's put a single person in charge of many areas of the club who KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. On that alone, I'll hold my hands up and say it looks like DA has made a good appointment. Much as I hate to say it I think the 2 Allen's are probably the best scenario for CFC at the moment. This isn't a post defending DA and I don't forget what's happened but talking to a Stockport fan at work makes me realise that we need to get back into the league ASAP. There could well be summat fishy in the background to this process but I'm glad it's fallen through and I'm leaning towards a 'better the devil you know' stance at the moment.

Well said.

A number of Charges, on the Property I assume, were discharged recently according to Companies House - I wonder why this was done before the deal was concluded?

[Blue5]

Phil V 72, on 27 July 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Trying to unpick it all and making it all make sense isn't easy but from what I've gathered on here, and putting aside whether the consortium was genuine or not Dave Allen would have retained an interest of some sort. Which means, he has a vested interest in the club being successful - if he lets anyone take control of it who is going to risk it falling into administration then he could potentially lose control of his investment.

In his last interview DA's view is that the most important thing in a successful club is a good manager, and Martin Allen is very much DA's man. Whether Martin Allen would have told him directly or whether word got to DA that the manager might walk, this must have set alarm bells ringing. DA, for all his faults, ain't daft and the last thing he wants is another period of Branston/Caldwell/Lester - type appointments. He might not give two hoots about the fans but he does care about getting his money back at some point, so any murmourings of MA leaving puts his plan back at square one and his investment, even secured as a charge against the stadium, is no longer on a sure footing.

What the club needs now is a period of stability and consistency - since MA was appointed the club has started to regain this. Why? Well, because he's put a single person in charge of many areas of the club who KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. On that alone, I'll hold my hands up and say it looks like DA has made a good appointment. Much as I hate to say it I think the 2 Allen's are probably the best scenario for CFC at the moment. This isn't a post defending DA and I don't forget what's happened but talking to a Stockport fan at work makes me realise that we need to get back into the league ASAP. There could well be summat fishy in the background to this process but I'm glad it's fallen through and I'm leaning towards a 'better the devil you know' stance at the moment.

Mate, we are playing non league football next season, not to mention the never-ending list of embarrassing events! Yeah, better the devil you know!

[erniemossity]

Phil V 72, on 27 July 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Trying to unpick it all and making it all make sense isn't easy but from what I've gathered on here, and putting aside whether the consortium was genuine or not Dave Allen would have retained an interest of some sort. Which means, he has a vested interest in the club being successful - if he lets anyone take control of it who is going to risk it falling into administration then he could potentially lose control of his investment.

In his last interview DA's view is that the most important thing in a successful club is a good manager, and Martin Allen is very much DA's man. Whether Martin Allen would have told him directly or whether word got to DA that the manager might walk, this must have set alarm bells ringing. DA, for all his faults, ain't daft and the last thing he wants is another period of Branston/Caldwell/Lester - type appointments. He might not give two hoots about the fans but he does care about getting his money back at some point, so any murmourings of MA leaving puts his plan back at square one and his investment, even secured as a charge against the stadium, is no longer on a sure footing.

What the club needs now is a period of stability and consistency - since MA was appointed the club has started to regain this. Why? Well, because he's put a single person in charge of many areas of the club who KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. On that alone, I'll hold my hands up and say it looks like DA has made a good appointment. Much as I hate to say it I think the 2 Allen's are probably the best scenario for CFC at the moment. This isn't a post defending DA and I don't forget what's happened but talking to a Stockport fan at work makes me realise that we need to get back into the league ASAP. There could well be summat fishy in the background to this process but I'm glad it's fallen through and I'm leaning towards a 'better the devil you know' stance at the moment.

Spot on mate. I think the penny might now have dropped with DA that we/he are in the last chance saloon. No more mistakes. It must really have hurt this stubborn Yorkshireman to have backed down to MA (and that, in effect is what he’s done). Best thing he can do now is remain in the background, continue to keep AC out of it, and let MA run the club, which he seems to have been doing with great success so far.
If, and it’s a big if, MA gets off to a good start on th pitch, than we may well have someone who can galvanise the fans again.