[Close but no prawn sarnies]

Love, loathe or indifferent to our owners I am going to give them a degree of sympathy.

Picking the right person for any job is allways a risk , in terms of Football in particular, the stakes are massive.

Sherridan , a track record of reasonable performance at Oldham, an unendearing character but some success = owners called it right

Cook, a bit of a track record in Ireland and modest success at Acrington, very much a Fans man =owners called it right

Dean Saunders, a track record in the past, not stunning with Crawley, looked good in a suit( according to my other half) very poor with us = Owners got it wrong

Wilson, proven as a competant low league mananager, a town favourite, dealt a s##t hand. In my opinion would have kept us up by the skin of our teeth or at least made it a dogged struggle against relegation= With better backing owners may have got it right, time of sacking ,wrong IMO

Caudwell , impressive CV with Wigan with BIG budget, I suspect talks a good in the board room. Very unendearing to the fans = looks like the owners got it wrong

2.5/5 right calls 50% success rate

If Caudwell fails we all loose big time , lets hope he can turn it round, personally i dont think he will and a large proportion the Clucas/Darikwa money will be wasted on pay offs for manager, hangers on and for new manager and new hangers on.

Debts not reduced DA not happy, us only happy if the new boy is any good and by my maths there is a 50/50 chance of that

[Tha Knows...]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 31 August 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

Love, loathe or indifferent to our owners I am going to give them a degree of sympathy.

Picking the right person for any job is allways a risk , in terms of Football in particular, the stakes are massive.

Sherridan , a track record of reasonable performance at Oldham, an unendearing character but some success = owners called it right

Cook, a bit of a track record in Ireland and modest success at Acrington, very much a Fans man =owners called it right

Dean Saunders, a track record in the past, not stunning with Crawley, looked good in a suit( according to my other half) very poor with us = Owners got it wrong

Wilson, proven as a competant low league mananager, a town favourite, dealt a s##t hand. In my opinion would have kept us up by the skin of our teeth or at least made it a dogged struggle against relegation= With better backing owners may have got it right, time of sacking ,wrong IMO

Caudwell , impressive CV with Wigan with BIG budget, I suspect talks a good in the board room. Very unendearing to the fans = looks like the owners got it wrong

2.5/5 right calls 50% success rate

If Caudwell fails we all loose big time , lets hope he can turn it round, personally i dont think he will and a large proportion the Clucas/Darikwa money will be wasted on pay offs for manager, hangers on and for new manager and new hangers on.

Debts not reduced DA not happy, us only happy if the new boy is any good and by my maths there is a 50/50 chance of that

Sounds about right. The choice ...spending 250k (guesstimate) on changing the management team or giving Gazza more to spend on players now in the hope he turns it round. And if it doesn't work we have a bad season and still have to pay off management team further down the line. From watching the Grimsby match, reading reports and comments, listening to commentary and watching goal highlights it seems Caldwell's biggest failure has been recruiting a midfield lacking a competent combative element, in other words lightweight! If a new manager comes in he wouldn't be able to sign anyone til January and I don't think any manager could make a resilient midfield from the players available.

[Goku]

Spire-Power, on 31 August 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

If a new manager comes in he wouldn't be able to sign anyone til January and I don't think any manager could make a resilient midfield from the players available.

Agreed. No point sacking him at this point tbh

[Yenx]

Normally I'd agree with you Goku but if the players are low on morale and aren't really playing for him, a new manager could give the whole place a lift.
He insists on playing a system that isn't working. We can all see it, so the players can probably all see it too. What chances they just don't believe in what they are being asked to do? Can we afford to have that situation until January?

[Tha Knows...]

He'll be gone long before January if the new signings make little improvement. Agree about formation issue, Caldwell has to think further about this before it's too late.

[peakblue]

Yenx, on 31 August 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

Normally I'd agree with you Goku but if the players are low on morale and aren't really playing for him, a new manager could give the whole place a lift.
He insists on playing a system that isn't working. We can all see it, so the players can probably all see it too. What chances they just don't believe in what they are being asked to do? Can we afford to have that situation until January?

How do we know though that things were so comfortable and easy going under wilson and caldwells shook things up dramatically.the players all of a sudden dont like him because of his approach.how would players of this day handle being managed by brian clough...

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

Best summed up as, possibly damned if we do, possibly damned if we dont.

This post has been edited by Close but no prawn sarnies: 31 August 2017 - 11:26 AM

[dim view]

Yenx, on 31 August 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

Normally I'd agree with you Goku but if the players are low on morale and aren't really playing for him, a new manager could give the whole place a lift.
He insists on playing a system that isn't working. We can all see it, so the players can probably all see it too. What chances they just don't believe in what they are being asked to do? Can we afford to have that situation until January?

What is the system that isn't working?

what's not working is that individuals aren't doing enough defensively, including the goalie. Nowt to do with the system.

As Phil T so eloquently said on Satday, we've been Bunkum at home for more than 2 seasons.

[Trigger]

http://uklocal.net/c...ntry-telegraph/

Haven't read the whole thread, might be covered elsewhere

[Town_Fan]

I'm actually in Boza for a fleeting visit Satdi but I dunno if I can be bothered to go.

[Brookie]

Coventry have signed CH Tom Davies from Portsmouth

[azul]

Town_Fan, on 31 August 2017 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm actually in Boza for a fleeting visit Satdi but I dunno if I can be bothered to go.

Can you let us know when you've made your mind up

[Tha Knows...]

azul, on 31 August 2017 - 01:19 PM, said:

Can you let us know when you've made your mind up

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 31 August 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

Love, loathe or indifferent to our owners I am going to give them a degree of sympathy.

Picking the right person for any job is allways a risk , in terms of Football in particular, the stakes are massive.

Sherridan , a track record of reasonable performance at Oldham, an unendearing character but some success = owners called it right

Cook, a bit of a track record in Ireland and modest success at Acrington, very much a Fans man =owners called it right

Dean Saunders, a track record in the past, not stunning with Crawley, looked good in a suit( according to my other half) very poor with us = Owners got it wrong

Wilson, proven as a competant low league mananager, a town favourite, dealt a s##t hand. In my opinion would have kept us up by the skin of our teeth or at least made it a dogged struggle against relegation= With better backing owners may have got it right, time of sacking ,wrong IMO

Caudwell , impressive CV with Wigan with BIG budget, I suspect talks a good in the board room. Very unendearing to the fans = looks like the owners got it wrong

2.5/5 right calls 50% success rate

If Caudwell fails we all loose big time , lets hope he can turn it round, personally i dont think he will and a large proportion the Clucas/Darikwa money will be wasted on pay offs for manager, hangers on and for new manager and new hangers on.

Debts not reduced DA not happy, us only happy if the new boy is any good and by my maths there is a 50/50 chance of that

Or to put a slightly different slant on it...

..Allen hired Sheridan because of their relationship from Hillsborough. Infact he described him as a 'winner' to mates of mine whilst discussing his appointment at the 2009 POTY do (when Lee Richardson was still officially manager, by the way). Not sure his time at Oldham had too much to do with it.

He then hired Cook on the basis of his Accrington side's performance at the Proact. They lost, but impressed the then Chairman so much he head hunted the Scouser when he'd had enough of Wright and Crossley. That was back in the days when ambition and entertainment were still part of Allen's agenda, though.

Next he hired Saunders following a couple of hours in his company after a gig at the stadium. He admitted as much at the time. Problem was the Welshman'd taken three clubs down by then, but of course the Chairman's >ahem< 'strong minded' approach meant he didn't bother with minor details like that.

Wilson was apparently Chris Turner's idea which Allen went along with. Danny performed a minor miracle in rescuing our season in the face of cash-ins, cuts and controversies but they ultimately proved too much even for him. He didn't do himself any favours by adopting negative tactics, yet I guess he'd little choice given the players at his disposal.

Was Caldwell Allen's appointment? I suppose he'd have the final say, but it certainly appeared the Scot was Carson's choice from a worryingly limited bunch of applicants. Worse still he was a fledgling manager whose only success had been based upon by far the biggest budget in his division yet was now being asked to do the opposite - re-build a survival side with less than nothing (his first task was to oversee yet more exits).

We all know what happened next.

It's true to say recruiting a manager has and always will be pretty hit-and-miss. However Allen seems to go on his guts rather than evidence or advice with CFC paying the price when those guts get it wrong. And sacking Sheridan (and staff) only months after signing four year deals, sacking Saunders (and staff) only months after signing two year deals, sacking Wilson (and staff) after systematically undermining his squad and now looking highly likely to have to sack Caldwell (and staff - oh, yeah, one's already gone...) means those guts will've cost the Club a seven figure sum.

Pass the Alka-Seltzer...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 31 August 2017 - 02:31 PM

[CFC_92]

The team are making far to many individual errors i.e giving the ball away when there's no pressure on the ball. Caldwell clearly wants to play a certain style of football that doesn't suit the team we have. My question is there isn't the quality he had at Wigan and should we just go 4-4-2.

[CFC91]

Town_Fan, on 31 August 2017 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm actually in Boza for a fleeting visit Satdi but I dunno if I can be bothered to go.

Provided I'm back from Spain in time I'm also at home and debating going. Last home game was Bolton at home in December last year..tempted to drag my dad and grandad along who've not been since September also..

[Tha Knows...]

CFC91, on 31 August 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Provided I'm back from Spain in time I'm also at home and debating going. Last home game was Bolton at home in December last year..tempted to drag my dad and grandad along who've not been since September also..

You've never has The Caldwell Experience? You won't forget it.

[Town_Fan]

azul, on 31 August 2017 - 01:19 PM, said:

Can you let us know when you've made your mind up

Decided to go. Thanks for asking.

[CFC91]

Spire-Power, on 31 August 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

You've never has The Caldwell Experience? You won't forget it.

Not at home I haven't. Don't Wednesday and County away though and that was bad enough!!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 31 August 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

What is the system that isn't working?

what's not working is that individuals aren't doing enough defensively, including the goalie. Nowt to do with the system.

As Phil T so eloquently said on Satday, we've been Bunkum at home for more than 2 seasons.

Speaking of Phil, I'd like to ask him (and I will when I see him) just what he was actually told to prompt his now famous 'Good as it gets' post?

And did it really predict things would get as bad as they have...