[dtp]

I believe GC was appointed manager on 17th January when we had 19 league games left to play. As such, that is just 4 games short of half a season and we had 57 points to play for. We have won just two of his first 16 games and it appears unlikely that we will win any of the remaining 3 games. His new manager bounce has been like a pin to a balloon.

His tactical phylsophy in must win games appears to amount to not attacking the opposition whilst allowing them to have as many shots as they choose. Insisting on playing three at the back when it clearly is not working and often resulting in defensive mistakes on a regular basis. Assuming he knew how he wanted to set the team up one would be forgiven in thinking that he knew what type of player he needed to bring into the club before January was out. However, his six signings have done absolutely nothing in terms of contributing to his style of play or the team effort over all.

To say these signings have been a failure is almost a complement and gives no confidence to his ability to sign the right players for the coming season opinion League 2. This League 2 was not an option when GC was appointed but it is a certainty now and our manager has no experience, whatsoever, of that League.

Forget budgets etc, is there anyone that has any confidence at all in GC to rebuild our club and give us back some pride in the football we play?

Can't believe we can't afford to sack him!! Can't believe there is not a low-cost termination clause in his contract!! Can't believe there might be a promotion clause in his contract yet no relegation clause!! Can't believe the Board and Owner are happy with events and will continue to throw good money after bad!!

[gordon_brittas]

This guy has the nous and managerial capabilities of Dave Rushbury.

If we are not in the top 10 mix during the first 8 or so games in League 2, then the guy needs to go.

[Jontt]

gordon_brittas, on 14 April 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

This guy has the nous and managerial capabilities of Dave Rushbury.

If we are not in the top 10 mix during the first 8 or so games in League 2, then the guy needs to go.

The guy is an absolute joke, if Wigan want him back I'll drive him to Wigan tomorrow . !!!

[dtp]

gordon_brittas, on 14 April 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

This guy has the nous and managerial capabilities of Dave Rushbury.

If we are not in the top 10 mix during the first 8 or so games in League 2, then the guy needs to go.

I think that is a bit unkind on Dave Rushbury and, for me, GC should not be given the opportunity to squander next season's budget before being shown the door.

[jack bauer]

dtp, on 14 April 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

I think that is a bit unkind on Dave Rushbury and, for me, GC should not be given the opportunity to squander next season's budget before being shown the door.

total disaster of an appointment by Carson really. But it just goes with the turf of us being a directionless clueless club. if you want to play football you need good players who can run games who can pass and move, be confident on the ball and have good options all around them, 2 seasons ago we had this. however to have such players you need to pay for it, as a club we have made at least one definite decision and that is that we are not going to pay for decent players, so what do you do? well you have to then create a team who can do the basics of at least being compact, competitive and playing to the limitations of the players available,(I think this is what Wilson knew to be true) so what do we do, we appoint an idealist in Caldwell who wants to play a certain way, a "style" that is high risk with the players available and despite it crashing in his first few games, he persists with it, result relegation. do I trust him to rebuild the club? - no.

[ELTON 2020]

jack bauer, on 14 April 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

total disaster of an appointment by Carson really. But it just goes with the turf of us being a directionless clueless club. if you want to play football you need good players who can run games who can pass and move, be confident on the ball and have good options all around them, 2 seasons ago we had this. however to have such players you need to pay for it, as a club we have made at least one definite decision and that is that we are not going to pay for decent players, so what do you do? well you have to then create a team who can do the basics of at least being compact, competitive and playing to the limitations of the players available,(I think this is what Wilson knew to be true) so what do we do, we appoint an idealist in Caldwell who wants to play a certain way, a "style" that is high risk with the players available and despite it crashing in his first few games, he persists with it, result relegation. do I trust him to rebuild the club? - no.

I agree. This is a monumental mistake . Caldwell out. Please go. The players are garbage too. All this about McGuire, Dennis, Nolan etc...get rid. What a shambles.

This post has been edited by Elton John 1866: 14 April 2017 - 08:22 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dtp, on 14 April 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

I believe GC was appointed manager on 17th January when we had 19 league games left to play. As such, that is just 4 games short of half a season and we had 57 points to play for. We have won just two of his first 16 games and it appears unlikely that we will win any of the remaining 3 games. His new manager bounce has been like a pin to a balloon.

His tactical phylsophy in must win games appears to amount to not attacking the opposition whilst allowing them to have as many shots as they choose. Insisting on playing three at the back when it clearly is not working and often resulting in defensive mistakes on a regular basis. Assuming he knew how he wanted to set the team up one would be forgiven in thinking that he knew what type of player he needed to bring into the club before January was out. However, his six signings have done absolutely nothing in terms of contributing to his style of play or the team effort over all.

To say these signings have been a failure is almost a complement and gives no confidence to his ability to sign the right players for the coming season opinion League 2. This League 2 was not an option when GC was appointed but it is a certainty now and our manager has no experience, whatsoever, of that League.

Forget budgets etc, is there anyone that has any confidence at all in GC to rebuild our club and give us back some pride in the football we play?

Can't believe we can't afford to sack him!! Can't believe there is not a low-cost termination clause in his contract!! Can't believe there might be a promotion clause in his contract yet no relegation clause!! Can't believe the Board and Owner are happy with events and will continue to throw good money after bad!!

You and I have sometimes exchanged words because of your supportive stance towards the CFC establishment, 'dtp'.

However you've always expressed that 'benefit of the doubt' in reasonable, even friendly terms.

To my mind that places your criticism of the current manager, not to mention the circumstances surrounding his employment, into even starker contrast.

You'd have thought a call to former Town favourite Sam Morsy might've been a good idea before appointing Caldwell. If the relationship between Carson and Morsy had broken down to such an extent that wasn't possible (don't forget he wasn't even offered a new deal) or AC simply didn't bother, then it's a damning indictment on Allen's representative. On the other hand maybe that happened and either Carson ignored SM's advice or he actually endorsed the Scot, I dunno.

What we do know, however, is that on any and every level GC has been a disaster.

Worse still he's not the only recent arrival who's raised eyebrows: preferring a zero experienced former Assay Office employee to someone already doing the kit man job at Leicester - and allegedly on more money? Apparently snubbing a Chesterfield based former Chesterfield player to hire Guy Branston - who arrived with the laughter of critical Notts County fans ringing in our ears? Another individual possessing a questionable CV joining the commercial staff - albeit on a limited basis?

And all after someone close to Carson had bragged about taking over a CFC youth system which had come under a scrutiny other areas appeared immune from.

It almost beggars belief that someone could make so many counterproductive decisions in such a short space of time...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 14 April 2017 - 08:25 PM

[dtp]

MDCCCLXVI, on 14 April 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

You and I have sometimes exchanged words because of your supportive stance towards the CFC establishment, 'dtp'.

However you've always expressed that 'benefit of the doubt' in reasonable, even friendly terms.

To my mind that places your criticism of the current manager, not to mention the circumstances surrounding his employment, into even starker contrast.

You'd have thought a call to former Town favourite Sam Morsy might've been a good idea before appointing Caldwell. If the relationship between Carson and Morsy had broken down to such an extent that wasn't possible (don't forget he wasn't even offered a new deal) or AC simply didn't bother, then it's a damning indictment on Allen's representative. On the other hand maybe that happened and either Carson ignored SM's advice or he actually endorsed the Scot, I dunno.

What we do know, however, is that on any and every level GC has been a disaster.

Worse still he's not the only recent arrival who's raised eyebrows: preferring a zero experienced former Assay Office employee to someone already doing the kit man job at Leicester - and allegedly on more money? Apparently snubbing a Chesterfield based former Chesterfield player to hire Guy Branston - who arrived with the laughter of critical Notts County fans ringing in our ears? Another individual possessing a questionable CV joining the commercial staff - albeit on a limited basis?

And all after someone close to Carson had bragged about taking over a CFC youth system which had come under a scrutiny other areas appeared immune from.

It almost beggars belief that someone could make so many counterproductive decisions in such a short space of time...

I think, Chris, fairly early on in GC's catastrophic reign I questioned, on these boards, if Sam Morsy had been contacted regarding his fall-out with GC. Obviously, I don't know if this was done but if I had anything to do with such an appointment I would have gone down every known avenue open to me.

However, we have a manager that openly told us at the AGM how important it is to check out players thoroughly in respect of their characters etc to make sure of signing the right ones. He would have us believe he had done this with his six recruits yet two of them have already upped sticks and the other four wouldn't be missed if they did the same.

I'd love to think that talks are progressing with the interested party who seemed to have passed the initial due diligence test and were insisting on a letter of confidentiality. Have you heard owt, Chris?

This post has been edited by dtp: 14 April 2017 - 08:41 PM

[Valley Blues]

jack bauer, on 14 April 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

total disaster of an appointment by Carson really. But it just goes with the turf of us being a directionless clueless club. if you want to play football you need good players who can run games who can pass and move, be confident on the ball and have good options all around them, 2 seasons ago we had this. however to have such players you need to pay for it, as a club we have made at least one definite decision and that is that we are not going to pay for decent players, so what do you do? well you have to then create a team who can do the basics of at least being compact, competitive and playing to the limitations of the players available,(I think this is what Wilson knew to be true) so what do we do, we appoint an idealist in Caldwell who wants to play a certain way, a "style" that is high risk with the players available and despite it crashing in his first few games, he persists with it, result relegation. do I trust him to rebuild the club? - no.

Pass and move players who are confident on the ball, options around them. You can pay for such players but we had Morsy and Ryan and not sure how much we had to pay for them? Maybe we had a decent scout who could identify good players looking for a change of scenery?

[hewittfan]

With everything else falling apart, the discipline has gone to pot as well, I think that's something like four red cards in the last 12 league games now, compared to one in the first 30.

[Spireite since 78]

After yesterdays absolute capitulation - I don't think he is the man to take us forward.

When he came in January, we had a chance, with the transfer window open, nearly 20 matches left and "New Manager" effect, to have an opportunity to stay up.

Basically we blew it.

It has never really been established who brought the January players in, Turner or Cauldwell, but whoever is was blew our final chance.
We needed 3 or 4 players who could make a difference, and got absolutely nothing, how could we recruit a batch of players 3 months ago who can't get into a team in freefall out of the division?
I understand we didn't have lots of money but WTF happened!
Someone, somewhere got it horribly wrong.

We all know Cauldwell inherited a poor situation, the well documented boardroom problems have been a fundamental issue for 2 years, but its what he has done with it that worries me.
OK lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't responcible for the January signings, his team and positional selections are absolutely baffling.
I saw a comment which said he looks like he uses a dartboard to pick his team and where they play - And I understand why.
Now Cauldwell is obviously far more qualified and experienced, than most people on this board,me included, but when you are struggling and don't have the resource you would like, stick to the basics and build from there.
Play a basic 442 and battle for every point, get the fans onside, and make it difficult for your opposition.

He believes and wants to play 5 at the back, thats fine, but recruit players specifically to do it and make sure you have the time to implement it.
We didn't have the time or the players to do it when he came.
In my opinion he should have shelved his 5 at the back plan till next season, when he could have bought in his own players, and had the time in the close season to implement it.

He appears very arrogant, has alienated the fans, and at the moment hasn't done enough to act like that.

His responce to yesterdays performance was very poor, for the last 30 mins he just stood motionless on the touchline, no instuctions, no change, no help at all to HIS team.
He appeared to have given up and left them to sink.
That really worries me.

Sorry for the length of the post, but like all spireites I have an opinion to share.

[Walton Spireite]

Spireite since 78, on 15 April 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

After yesterdays absolute capitulation - I don't think he is the man to take us forward.

When he came in January, we had a chance, with the transfer window open, nearly 20 matches left and "New Manager" effect, to have an opportunity to stay up.

Basically we blew it.

It has never really been established who brought the January players in, Turner or Cauldwell, but whoever is was blew our final chance.
We needed 3 or 4 players who could make a difference, and got absolutely nothing, how could we recruit a batch of players 3 months ago who can't get into a team in freefall out of the division?
I understand we didn't have lots of money but WTF happened!
Someone, somewhere got it horribly wrong.

We all know Cauldwell inherited a poor situation, the well documented boardroom problems have been a fundamental issue for 2 years, but its what he has done with it that worries me.
OK lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't responcible for the January signings, his team and positional selections are absolutely baffling.
I saw a comment which said he looks like he uses a dartboard to pick his team and where they play - And I understand why.
Now Cauldwell is obviously far more qualified and experienced, than most people on this board,me included, but when you are struggling and don't have the resource you would like, stick to the basics and build from there.
Play a basic 442 and battle for every point, get the fans onside, and make it difficult for your opposition.

He believes and wants to play 5 at the back, thats fine, but recruit players specifically to do it and make sure you have the time to implement it.
We didn't have the time or the players to do it when he came.
In my opinion he should have shelved his 5 at the back plan till next season, when he could have bought in his own players, and had the time in the close season to implement it.

He appears very arrogant, has alienated the fans, and at the moment hasn't done enough to act like that.

His responce to yesterdays performance was very poor, for the last 30 mins he just stood motionless on the touchline, no instuctions, no change, no help at all to HIS team.
He appeared to have given up and left them to sink.
That really worries me.

Sorry for the length of the post, but like all spireites I have an opinion to share.

Good post.

[Tha Knows...]

Yes we had a chance in January. I was glad when oneill and liddle were offloade but. I didn't expect us to end up weaker without them. If DW had stayed those 2 and o'shea might still be here, probably not ariyibi. He would have strengthened the team in January. It would have been a grim battle but we might have survived. Caldwell has been a farce.

[Mr Mercury]

Spireite since 78, on 15 April 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

After yesterdays absolute capitulation - I don't think he is the man to take us forward.

When he came in January, we had a chance, with the transfer window open, nearly 20 matches left and "New Manager" effect, to have an opportunity to stay up.

Basically we blew it.

It has never really been established who brought the January players in, Turner or Cauldwell, but whoever is was blew our final chance.
We needed 3 or 4 players who could make a difference, and got absolutely nothing, how could we recruit a batch of players 3 months ago who can't get into a team in freefall out of the division?
I understand we didn't have lots of money but WTF happened!
Someone, somewhere got it horribly wrong.

We all know Cauldwell inherited a poor situation, the well documented boardroom problems have been a fundamental issue for 2 years, but its what he has done with it that worries me.
OK lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he wasn't responcible for the January signings, his team and positional selections are absolutely baffling.
I saw a comment which said he looks like he uses a dartboard to pick his team and where they play - And I understand why.
Now Cauldwell is obviously far more qualified and experienced, than most people on this board,me included, but when you are struggling and don't have the resource you would like, stick to the basics and build from there.
Play a basic 442 and battle for every point, get the fans onside, and make it difficult for your opposition.

He believes and wants to play 5 at the back, thats fine, but recruit players specifically to do it and make sure you have the time to implement it.
We didn't have the time or the players to do it when he came.
In my opinion he should have shelved his 5 at the back plan till next season, when he could have bought in his own players, and had the time in the close season to implement it.

He appears very arrogant, has alienated the fans, and at the moment hasn't done enough to act like that.

His responce to yesterdays performance was very poor, for the last 30 mins he just stood motionless on the touchline, no instuctions, no change, no help at all to HIS team.
He appeared to have given up and left them to sink.
That really worries me.

Sorry for the length of the post, but like all spireites I have an opinion to share.

Very good post and I agree with most, but regarding just standing there I don't blame him, his head is probably still spinning now!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dtp, on 14 April 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

I'd love to think that talks are progressing with the interested party who seemed to have passed the initial due diligence test and were insisting on a letter of confidentiality. Have you heard owt, Chris?

Rumours as always, my friend, but nowt worth passing on.

Infact if anything comes from the direction of CFC I treat it with several sacks of salt.

[dtp]

MDCCCLXVI, on 15 April 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Rumours as always, my friend, but nowt worth passing on.

Infact if anything comes from the direction of CFC I treat it with several sacks of salt.

Of course, it is actually possible that people are remaining tight-lipped on this occasion especially if a Confidentiality Clause has been signed by all parties concerned.

We can live in hope that talks are ongoing and, if so, the potential new owners meet with the approval of we supporters.

[Hoare (400)]

Losing the players can be rectified by signing different players, losing the fans however is never going to overturned, especially at this club.

Sorry Caldwell, but your just waiting for the sack, as you will never achieve anything at CFC.



Hoare (400)

[BlueRover52]

dtp, on 14 April 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

I believe GC was appointed manager on 17th January when we had 19 league games left to play. As such, that is just 4 games short of half a season and we had 57 points to play for. We have won just two of his first 16 games and it appears unlikely that we will win any of the remaining 3 games. His new manager bounce has been like a pin to a balloon.

His tactical phylsophy in must win games appears to amount to not attacking the opposition whilst allowing them to have as many shots as they choose. Insisting on playing three at the back when it clearly is not working and often resulting in defensive mistakes on a regular basis. Assuming he knew how he wanted to set the team up one would be forgiven in thinking that he knew what type of player he needed to bring into the club before January was out. However, his six signings have done absolutely nothing in terms of contributing to his style of play or the team effort over all.

To say these signings have been a failure is almost a complement and gives no confidence to his ability to sign the right players for the coming season opinion League 2. This League 2 was not an option when GC was appointed but it is a certainty now and our manager has no experience, whatsoever, of that League.

Forget budgets etc, is there anyone that has any confidence at all in GC to rebuild our club and give us back some pride in the football we play?

Can't believe we can't afford to sack him!! Can't believe there is not a low-cost termination clause in his contract!! Can't believe there might be a promotion clause in his contract yet no relegation clause!! Can't believe the Board and Owner are happy with events and will continue to throw good money after bad!!

From preseason to date the clubs organisation from top to bottom has been a disaster.Caldwells appointment was just one part of the debacle this season.

[Radders]

BlueRover52, on 15 April 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

From preseason to date the clubs organisation from top to bottom has been a disaster.Caldwells appointment was just one part of the debacle this season.

This time next season we will be heading into non league. I can't see anything to stop that happening. The whole club is rotten to the core. And to think we were never going to give soul ownership to one man again... look how long that lasted

[Sammy Spireite]

hewittfan, on 15 April 2017 - 12:06 AM, said:

With everything else falling apart, the discipline has gone to pot as well, I think that's something like four red cards in the last 12 league games now, compared to one in the first 30.

It's 3 in the last 4 games!