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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:02 PM

bob

I know all about the accountants you mean and they are on here

I have already said to Les that I am not into social media and that stands, got far more important things to be doing.
You have all my details, if you want a chat feel free to meet me for a coffee or something.

I have never said you broke into the PPP in fact I never knew anyone broke in? Where did you get that from ?
Did the police get called ? Again another fact that is incorrect.
The only thing I heard was a laptop in the Derby Tup or something but again that was a rumour not a fact


I didn't cancel the VP in that way, my kids were young at the time and it wasn't appropriate for them to be in that room.
You were right about being annoyed at losing the IT, looked how that turned out ? O forgot nothing got said about that.

I take all your comments on board and yes I will look into what is available but in the end we have to stop the academy losing money don't we ?



View PostZorro, on 17 March 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:

Steve, I honestly can't see how you would be the one to be brought in by AC to look at the structure and costings. I am sure Mark Smith is more than capable of mapping out his own structure but everyone can see on the outside that there are anomalies within the accounting. I have no idea of your accounting skills or qualifications but my problem is that I know of several very wise and knowledgeable accountants that have offered their services free of charge, yet AC has declined all of their offers and chosen you. It just doesn't stack up.

As for thinking better of me, I wasn't the one who gossiped to a friend that I had broken into the PPP and stolen accounts, what a stupid comment to make, you've seen the size of me and know I couldn't climb through any windows, in fact I haven't stepped foot in the place since it was the Aquarius

We are both businessmen and I can't for the life of me think why you would want to get involved with what is going on and what has gone on in the past, unless your rewards were very good.

As for SBK, I was annoyed just the same when the original contract for the B2Net was awarded away from you as you are a fan and have always supported the club. Remember how peed off you were and cancelled your families VP tickets as a result?

It is not going to end good and if I was you I would be very worried with which camp you are in.

If you are drilling the accounts, find out how many CFC members of staff have been paid for by the academy, find out how many invoices have been invoiced from the PPP to the academy, check out how 36 weeks of kit wash for the senior academy players cost £16,000 as the juniors sorted out their own washing. Check out the fees charged for the pitches which I believe is in excess of £70,000

Cross check invoices from CFC & the PPP and see where the huge deficit has come? The academy was running at losses of £40,000 - £60,000 a few years ago, why the jump? Does the academy have its own account? Does the money from the EFL go into the academy pot or does it end up in the CFC coffers?

If any of the academy players came through and were sold, where does the money go? Is there a % that goes back into their funding of the academy? Let's use Ricky German as an example, 'if' there was an offer on the table from a Championship side, say £200,000 at the end of this season, where would that money go?

You of all people should understand the importance of scrutiny which the fans will dig into with what has gone on over the past years.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:07 PM

I understand that Dave Allens SIL is an Accountant and is employed at the Club, Isn't he good enough?
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:08 PM

Mike

In the end I am trying to do what is best for the Football Club's Academy and young kids.
If you, dimview, zorro, snell, Les and moondog think otherwise then you are mistaken.

Over the road was down to Tuner and Sutcliffe and they should have been made accountable as directors.
In hindsight it should not have had the CFC name against it in my opinion as it was a separate company and identity
The FBT academy is now going to be separate
The Champions Cup has been cancelled

Again I will offer the same as the others meet me for a coffee anytime and I am happy to explain where I am at


View Postfreelander2, on 17 March 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

Steve,

I fully understand the appeal and synergy of being associated with a well-run, professional football club but I am struggling to understand why anyone, not just you, would want to get involved now and be associated with this lot.

On 25th January, you sat at the side of me in a meeting involving Dimview, Moondog & Ashley Carson and listened to eleven allegations which had been made by former employees of CFC Football Development School Ltd. Now either those allegations are true or they are false, either way they require further investigation.

There was a clear reluctance to take ownership of the allegations on the night and given that two months have nearly passed without further comment, I can only conclude that F' all has been done. Why?

Over the past 12 months, I have often asked myself, if these allegations are true, who is the driver behind it all?

Your involvement gives them credibility, they are not worthy.

Cheers,

Mike

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:11 PM

View PostLes Ashmore, on 17 March 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

I understand that Dave Allens SIL is an Accountant and is employed at the Club, Isn't he good enough?


What precisely is he on the payroll to do Les?
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:18 PM

Not sure but he gets circa 18 - 19 k pa

But what is Steve on the payroll to do, Certainly not run the academy? so it appears you don't have to be designated as doing anything on the payroll to do a different job, Look at the Kit Man :excl:
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:19 PM

View Postclarevoyant., on 17 March 2017 - 03:59 PM, said:

Exactly

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:28 PM

NOT on the payroll

Helping for a few months Free

View PostLes Ashmore, on 17 March 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Not sure but he gets circa 18 - 19 k pa

But what is Steve on the payroll to do, Certainly not run the academy? so it appears you don't have to be designated as doing anything on the payroll to do a different job, Look at the Kit Man :excl:

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

Ah but he is there, Couldn't he help across the road FREE
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 07:38 PM

View Postitsc, on 17 March 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

bob

I know all about the accountants you mean and they are on here

I have already said to Les that I am not into social media and that stands, got far more important things to be doing.
You have all my details, if you want a chat feel free to meet me for a coffee or something.

I have never said you broke into the PPP in fact I never knew anyone broke in? Where did you get that from ?
Did the police get called ? Again another fact that is incorrect.
The only thing I heard was a laptop in the Derby Tup or something but again that was a rumour not a fact


I didn't cancel the VP in that way, my kids were young at the time and it wasn't appropriate for them to be in that room.
You were right about being annoyed at losing the IT, looked how that turned out ? O forgot nothing got said about that.

I take all your comments on board and yes I will look into what is available but in the end we have to stop the academy losing money don't we ?


Steve, you have no idea of their names or which practices they are involved with.

I do not have your details

I must collar my good friend as he phoned me after you left him

Sutcliffe phoned me on my mobile (strange because I never gave him my number) and threatened me and said he would call the police, I stayed at work u til 7.30pm that night waiting for them, alas they didn't turn up.

I didn't know anything about a laptop until recently when I heard that the ones from the PPP went missing, maybe these are the same ones that Sutcliffe was trying to sell for £1,000 each. I know somebody at the club that was offered one but turned it down when he couldn't pay by cheque and there was no receipts.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 08:13 PM

View Postitsc, on 17 March 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

chris

This came up with LA earlier, I have NOT asked MS to find a role for AM at all, that is not my job and to be honest that would be up to MS and the board, not me.
I am meeting up with MS next week to discuss the academy

That clear enough ?


No, no it isn't.

You've ducked everything I asked.

But then perhaps the absence of confirmation means you really don't have any accounting 'badges' and are just an ordinary bloke running an amateur junior set-up.

Nowt wrong with that, of course, infact I actually respect and applaud your commitment - honestly, I mean it!

However all I'm seeing here is someone utterly unqualified to conduct the tasks detailed by Carson.

As for any requests or conversations between you and MS, I guess it's your word against, well, others'.

Unless there're e-mails or texts proving otherwise, of course...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 17 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 08:21 PM

View Postitsc, on 17 March 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

bob

I know all about the accountants you mean and they are on here

I have already said to Les that I am not into social media and that stands, got far more important things to be doing.
You have all my details, if you want a chat feel free to meet me for a coffee or something.

I have never said you broke into the PPP in fact I never knew anyone broke in? Where did you get that from ?
Did the police get called ? Again another fact that is incorrect.
The only thing I heard was a laptop in the Derby Tup or something but again that was a rumour not a fact


I didn't cancel the VP in that way, my kids were young at the time and it wasn't appropriate for them to be in that room.
You were right about being annoyed at losing the IT, looked how that turned out ? O forgot nothing got said about that.

I take all your comments on board and yes I will look into what is available but in the end we have to stop the academy losing money don't we ?

How can the Academy stop losing money, when it's not there to make a profit, its there as an investment for the future. It's a cost centre, not a revenue stream. Grants are received towards expenditure, not to make a surplus on. By definition the club has to subsidise the Academy, and this gap can only be only plugged by sponsors, previously from local businesses. However, as I understand it, a lot of these won't be renewing sponsorship because of the fall out with virtually every local sponsor.

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Posted 17 March 2017 - 08:42 PM

Would love to see the Paul Cook leaving video.
If only....
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Posted 17 March 2017 - 08:47 PM

View Postitsc, on 17 March 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

Mike

In the end I am trying to do what is best for the Football Club's Academy and young kids.
If you, dimview, zorro, snell, Les and moondog think otherwise then you are mistaken.

Over the road was down to Tuner and Sutcliffe and they should have been made accountable as directors.
In hindsight it should not have had the CFC name against it in my opinion as it was a separate company and identity
The FBT academy is now going to be separate
The Champions Cup has been cancelled

Again I will offer the same as the others meet me for a coffee anytime and I am happy to explain where I am at

Steve,

I have known you long enough to know that I do not need to question your motives and that your heart is in the right place. Had others possessed similar traits perhaps the football club and CFCFDS wouldn't be in their respective positions.

On one hand we have people who have kept their noses clean throughout, who want what is best for the club and on the other, we have people who squirm, BS and are downright fantasists. The latter is not normal, it has no place in business nor is it conducive to building and maintaining successful relationships.

Regarding the allegations, if I was playing devil's advocate, how many of them would have benefited LS, CT & their business?

Mike
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 12:34 AM

Steve, why did you feel the need to tell a select few on Thursday night in the Rutland "I'll be running the academy from next week and have been tasked with saving £200k, but this MUST NOT leave this room"

Also, I understand that some parents have nothing but praise for the way the Junoir Blues has been run in recent years, indeed I'm informed a healthy bank account of circa £50k has been mentioned but I'm also told the majority of the patisserie for such regimented administration and accounting should be aimed at Mrs Coe.

So tell me, is it her expertise that has got you the "gig", as surely this would further dilute Ashley's "circle" or trustees?

And with regard to AM, can you explain why he chose to almost ignore a direct question as to if he would be soon replacing MS or not at the club's academy, only Friday morning, when if it wasn't true he had the perfect opportunity to say "no, it's not true".
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 02:15 AM

View PostSammy Spireite, on 18 March 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

Steve, why did you feel the need to tell a select few on Thursday night in the Rutland "I'll be running the academy from next week and have been tasked with saving £200k, but this MUST NOT leave this room"

Also, I understand that some parents have nothing but praise for the way the Junoir Blues has been run in recent years, indeed I'm informed a healthy bank account of circa £50k has been mentioned but I'm also told the majority of the patisserie for such regimented administration and accounting should be aimed at Mrs Coe.

So tell me, is it her expertise that has got you the "gig", as surely this would further dilute Ashley's "circle" or trustees?

And with regard to AM, can you explain why he chose to almost ignore a direct question as to if he would be soon replacing MS or not at the club's academy, only Friday morning, when if it wasn't true he had the perfect opportunity to say "no, it's not true".

ITSC has quite clearly stated on here that Bruno has no idea where the rumours regarding his future association with the CFC accadmy has come from and has no idea of such. Let's see if that pans out! Personally, and no offence meant ITSC, but I don't believe a word you say on here. Your apparent keenness to attach yourself to AC and his future direction for the accadamy leave you wide open for future scrutinisation.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 02:41 AM

ITSC, beware you are not being brought in to be used as another scapegoat
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:50 AM

It seems that your right in that no one believe what I say

So I'm afraid I will delete my account and leave you all to decide on 3 months time if I did a job or not

Good luck all



View PostMr Mercury, on 18 March 2017 - 02:15 AM, said:

ITSC has quite clearly stated on here that Bruno has no idea where the rumours regarding his future association with the CFC accadmy has come from and has no idea of such. Let's see if that pans out! Personally, and no offence meant ITSC, but I don't believe a word you say on here. Your apparent keenness to attach yourself to AC and his future direction for the accadamy leave you wide open for future scrutinisation.
I'm reminded about a recent Dennis Skinner speech in the House of Commons regarding the war against Isis ...
"Enemies to the left of you enemies to the right of you...what a crazy war...keep out". Sadly it appears you can't!

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:58 AM

Why not stay and prove us all wrong along the way?
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 09:29 AM

View Postitsc, on 18 March 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

It seems that your right in that no one believe what I say

So I'm afraid I will delete my account and leave you all to decide on 3 months time if I did a job or not

Good luck all

Well I don't know you from Adam but based on that comment I hope your accountancy skills are better than your literacy ones.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 09:31 AM

Let's see what happens :ninja:

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