[whittman]

More you could not make it up lol when it looked as though Massood had been given out lbw and he stood there looking at the umpire arms out so the umpire looked as though he reversed his decision
The decision by the match referee to not let Chappell bat as last wicket looks crucial now a few extra runs in the context of the match could have been vital

I suppose that let the Puddings claim their technical victory 😆
Hope we don't get that weak umpire on Sunday but I have a feeling we will have to put up with him again

[JonB]

One of the umpires was ex Derbyshire player Tom Lungley! Saw the Masood LBW on the stream, i think whilst we were appealing the umpire was telling Watt to get off the pitch but it looked like he was giving it out and all got confusing.

Shame we didnt take the early stumping chance Bess offered up which could have changed matters. Also not sure but i stopped by the park on my bike home from work yesterday, saw the first wicket fall then next ball it looked like Masood edged one between slip and keeper and we didnt take it as it ran away for four. Couldnt be certain if he'd edged it or not though from my view about 100yds away looking through the seated spectators!

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 14 June 2023 - 11:58 AM, said:

One of the umpires was ex Derbyshire player Tom Lungley! Saw the Masood LBW on the stream, i think whilst we were appealing the umpire was telling Watt to get off the pitch but it looked like he was giving it out and all got confusing.

Shame we didnt take the early stumping chance Bess offered up which could have changed matters. Also not sure but i stopped by the park on my bike home from work yesterday, saw the first wicket fall then next ball it looked like Masood edged one between slip and keeper and we didnt take it as it ran away for four. Couldnt be certain if he'd edged it or not though from my view about 100yds away looking through the seated spectators!

Yes agree with your thoughts on the Masood none LBW call. Watt is a big unit to see round if he puts himself in the umpires line of vision. Even though the correct decision was reached (Grrr) the umpire could have managed the situation better. Pointing out transgressions at the same time as an appeal was being made, is a recipe for confusion, a quiet undramatic word would have been sufficent.

[JonB]

clarevoyant., on 14 June 2023 - 12:25 PM, said:

Yes agree with your thoughts on the Masood none LBW call. Watt is a big unit to see round if he puts himself in the umpires line of vision. Even though the correct decision was reached (Grrr) the umpire could have managed the situation better. Pointing out transgressions at the same time as an appeal was being made, is a recipe for confusion, a quiet undramatic word would have been sufficent.

I think he could see to make the decision as Watt wasnt in line at that point but then sort of changed direction as he ran down the middle of the pitch appealing. Instead of going not out and dealing with the being on the pitch issue once it had all calmed down he decided to tell him to get off the pitch whilst still appealing so it all got a bit confusing.

[sexpistol]

I watched on the stream and it was confusing as to what was happening, but let’s be honest here folks, it wasn’t even close to LBW.

[sexpistol]

JonB, on 14 June 2023 - 10:32 AM, said:

It was an interesting way to go at it first ball...

In my opinion it was the second worst shot of the match. The worst was the second Derbyshire wicket in the first innings when the batsman chased a ball so wide it was nearly in New Whittington.

[whittman]

sexpistol, on 14 June 2023 - 01:45 PM, said:

I watched on the stream and it was confusing as to what was happening, but let’s be honest here folks, it wasn’t even close to LBW.

Sorry but it wasnt that close to not being LBW because we appealed and for a split second because imo of an umpire who was not up to handling this match thge players and half the crowd thought that Masood was out

Also Masood showed open dissent when he himself thought he might have been given out so that is not respecting the umpires decision whether that might be right or wrong

But as usual your opinion of the incident as a typical Yorkie with the way you have replied is the one everyone must take as gospel and that is that

Also on the Fisher shortball incident when I said watch live I meant actually at the ground and not on a restricted stream where you cannot possibly gauge the atmosphere and/or the general mood of the players leading up to the incident

As I said previously Yorkshire have a technical victory of sorts because in our second innings we were not bowled out and who knows how many extra runs that last wicket might have added given the chance.


in a tight finish like this was that might have made all the difference but like the town at wembley it was not meant to be

[sexpistol]

whittman, on 14 June 2023 - 04:10 PM, said:

Sorry but it wasnt that close to not being LBW because we appealed and for a split second because imo of an umpire who was not up to handling this match thge players and half the crowd thought that Masood was out

Also Masood showed open dissent when he himself thought he might have been given out so that is not respecting the umpires decision whether that might be right or wrong

But as usual your opinion of the incident as a typical Yorkie with the way you have replied is the one everyone must take as gospel and that is that

Also on the Fisher shortball incident when I said watch live I meant actually at the ground and not on a restricted stream where you cannot possibly gauge the atmosphere and/or the general mood of the players leading up to the incident

As I said previously Yorkshire have a technical victory of sorts because in our second innings we were not bowled out and who knows how many extra runs that last wicket might have added given the chance.


in a tight finish like this was that might have made all the difference but like the town at wembley it was not meant to be

It was clear as day on the stream that it was nowhere near to LBW even one of your own fans has said as much on here. Derbyshire were appealing for just about everything ( understandably tbf) Some of the appeals were ridiculous.
Yet again you have to have a pop at Yorkshire/Yorkshire people. It is pathetic tbh.
You should be thankful for the ‘Yorkshire people’ who clearly boost the crowd levels at Queen’s Park. I went to the game on Monday and it was fair to say there was more folk supporting Yorkshire in Queen’s Park. It will be the same this Sunday.

You never answered my point from yesterday.
Do you honestly believe Fisher tried to deliberately hurt the Derbyshire batsman?

[clarevoyant.]

sexpistol, on 14 June 2023 - 06:07 PM, said:

You should be thankful for the ‘Yorkshire people’ who clearly boost the crowd levels at Queen’s Park. I went to the game on Monday and it was fair to say there was more folk supporting Yorkshire in Queen’s Park. It will be the same this Sunday.

Yorkies bragging about their support again, but omitting the reasons why, ie Queens Park being 20 miles appx closer to deedahland than Headingly and therefore cheaper to get to.
If support for Yorkshire cricket is so great in the metropolis of deedahland how come they haven't got a suitable venue to stage first class cricket, there again the same could be said for Bradford, Hull, York etc.
A wild guess would conclude that the Yorkies visit to Queens Park is their annual visit to a cricket match and do they raise the decibel levels to let us know not realising their body language is a sufficent indicator.

[sexpistol]

clarevoyant., on 14 June 2023 - 07:31 PM, said:

Yorkies bragging about their support again, but omitting the reasons why, ie Queens Park being 20 miles appx closer to deedahland than Headingly and therefore cheaper to get to.
If support for Yorkshire cricket is so great in the metropolis of deedahland how come they haven't got a suitable venue to stage first class cricket, there again the same could be said for Bradford, Hull, York etc.
A wild guess would conclude that the Yorkies visit to Queens Park is their annual visit to a cricket match and do they raise the decibel levels to let us know not realising their body language is a sufficent indicator.

I don’t think support levels in Sheffield/South Yorkshire has anything to do with having a suitable ground.
I’ve seen Yorkshire play at Abbeydale ( as a kid) and for years bumhole lane was used.

As for your comment about the Yorkies coming to Queen’s Park is their annual visit to watch a match. I don’t doubt that, but I’d guess the same goes for many who will be supporting Derbyshire this Sunday also.

[clarevoyant.]

sexpistol, on 14 June 2023 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don’t think support levels in Sheffield/South Yorkshire has anything to do with having a suitable ground.
I’ve seen Yorkshire play at Abbeydale ( as a kid) and for years bumhole lane was used.

As for your comment about the Yorkies coming to Queen’s Park is their annual visit to watch a match. I don’t doubt that, but I’d guess the same goes for many who will be supporting Derbyshire this Sunday also.

Is Sheffield the largest city (population wise) that is within a county competing in the 'County Championship' that currently doesn't have a ground suitable for hosting County Championship cricket? If so, it says a lot for the cricket supporting populace of deedahland. No wonder they get all giddy when boarding the X17 (assuming the trains are on strike) to visit a decent town and get some decent ale.

What seems strange is why couldn't the passionate???? deedah cricket supporters put a case forward for building a cricket stadium at the Transport Club at Meadowhead? Sheffield FC managed it perhaps their support has more passion.

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[clarevoyant.]

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Johnnyspireite7, on 11 June 2023 - 12:52 PM, said:

Must resist the urge to laugh.

How difficult was resisting the urge to cry during Tuesday?

[sexpistol]

clarevoyant., on 14 June 2023 - 11:32 PM, said:

Is Sheffield the largest city (population wise) that is within a county competing in the 'County Championship' that currently doesn't have a ground suitable for hosting County Championship cricket? If so, it says a lot for the cricket supporting populace of deedahland. No wonder they get all giddy when boarding the X17 (assuming the trains are on strike) to visit a decent town and get some decent ale.

What seems strange is why couldn't the passionate???? deedah cricket supporters put a case forward for building a cricket stadium at the Transport Club at Meadowhead? Sheffield FC managed it perhaps their support has more passion.

Why would Yorkshire need to build a cricket stadium when they have revamped Headingley? Believe it or not people from
South Yorkshire do travel to Leeds and Scarborough.
As for visiting a decent town and drink decent ale? I take it you have never been to Kelham Island? The New York Times once listed it in the 42 places to visit in the world. Widely regarded as one of the best drinking sections in the U.K. Whilst the Brampton mile is decent it’s not in the same ball park as Kelham Island🙂
Whilst I am originally from Sheffield, I have lived in the Chesterfield area since 2010 so I’m qualified to give an opinion on the 🍺

[clarevoyant.]

sexpistol, on 15 June 2023 - 05:35 AM, said:

Why would Yorkshire need to build a cricket stadium when they have revamped Headingley? Believe it or not people from
South Yorkshire do travel to Leeds and Scarborough.
As for visiting a decent town and drink decent ale? I take it you have never been to Kelham Island? The New York Times once listed it in the 42 places to visit in the world. Widely regarded as one of the best drinking sections in the U.K. Whilst the Brampton mile is decent it’s not in the same ball park as Kelham Island🙂
Whilst I am originally from Sheffield, I have lived in the Chesterfield area since 2010 so I’m qualified to give an opinion on the 🍺

Avoiding answering the question re whether sheffield is the largest city in the country without a 1st class cricket ground actually answers the question in a typical Yorkshire way.

Why would Yorkshire want another ground when they've got a revamped Headingly? We are told Yorkshire "great", maybe so (no!), but it is geographically big. They should have more out grounds giving the 'fanatical' Yorkshire support chance to actually attend. Having maybe 6 (guess) outgrounds dotted about such a great county, which could easily be brought up to scratch to hoste one county championship match per season would benefit the Yorkshire membership far more than trying to maintain test match status at one ground for 5 days when sods law dictates it'll probably rain. Another question:- How many days play have you attended at Headingly against the likes of us or Gloucester (for example) in the county championship since covid?

Kelham Island, you'll have to educate me here. Educate me on how many potential cricket going folk will pop down to Kelham Island for a pre or post days play pint let alone maybe a couple during the lunch break. It may well be mentioned by some yanks but it doesn't get a mention in David Lloyds "Around the World In 80 Pints" so holds no credibility to this debate. A poor attempt of deflection on your part. 🍻

[JonB]

With a revamped Headingley and the commitment to play at Scarborough YCCC arent going to go to any more outgrounds i'd have thought whether you can drink in Kelham Island or not. YCCC are probably no different to Derbyshire in they get the steady regulars for County Championship games at head office but the big crowds come for the games at the outgrounds. The return game is at Scarborough and i would bet a fair few DCCC fans make the trip over, its a very pleasant ground and has a cracking chippy a few hundred yards down the road. I've sat and watched Scarborough CC a few times on there with a pint and occasionally some sun!

For what its worth i dont mind Kelham Island having been over a few times now.

[whittman]

sexpistol, on 14 June 2023 - 06:07 PM, said:

It was clear as day on the stream that it was nowhere near to LBW even one of your own fans has said as much on here. Derbyshire were appealing for just about everything ( understandably tbf) Some of the appeals were ridiculous.
Yet again you have to have a pop at Yorkshire/Yorkshire people. It is pathetic tbh.
You should be thankful for the ‘Yorkshire people’ who clearly boost the crowd levels at Queen’s Park. I went to the game on Monday and it was fair to say there was more folk supporting Yorkshire in Queen’s Park. It will be the same this Sunday.

You never answered my point from yesterday.
Do you honestly believe Fisher tried to deliberately hurt the Derbyshire batsman?

You have said nothing about masoods open display of dissent to the umpires decision when for a short time when

he actually thought he was being given out irrespective of whether the decision was correct or not


Also complaining of derbyshire appealing for everything when your team played the old three card trick on an inexperienced umpire over the Ali dismissal in the second innings

your team made an in unison ludicrous appeal for a catch down the leg side to a very wide ball to try and put pressure on the umpire knowing that the next time they appealed in unison there might be doubt in his mind over the that last appeal

The way things went for Derbyshire in the match it just happened to be the next ball which more learned judges than myself have said the ball looked to be going down the leg side hence the shot played which was an attempt to flick the ball down the leg side but the poor old umpire give the decision of out


as for did I think fisher deliberately meant to hurt Lakmal my answer is I can only comment as I did previously on what I saw in the lead up up to that ball and only the bowler knows the intention behind how the ball was bowled

Again you are so high and mighty in your assumption that we must be grateful for the wonderful support that your fans apparantly give to us oiks in Derbyshire

Remind me again please which County is apparantly over £20 million in debt and which one made a small profit last season? so perhaps it should be your lot appealing for our support

You say also of course again in an high and mighty fashion that the majority of the crowd on sunday will be from over the border and unfortunately we shall all B****dy know it lol

[sexpistol]

whittman, on 15 June 2023 - 08:51 AM, said:

You have said nothing about masoods open display of dissent to the umpires decision when for a short time when

he actually thought he was being given out irrespective of whether the decision was correct or not


Also complaining of derbyshire appealing for everything when your team played the old three card trick on an inexperienced umpire over the Ali dismissal in the second innings

your team made an in unison ludicrous appeal for a catch down the leg side to a very wide ball to try and put pressure on the umpire knowing that the next time they appealed in unison there might be doubt in his mind over the that last appeal

The way things went for Derbyshire in the match it just happened to be the next ball which more learned judges than myself have said the ball looked to be going down the leg side hence the shot played which was an attempt to flick the ball down the leg side but the poor old umpire give the decision of out


as for did I think fisher deliberately meant to hurt Lakmal my answer is I can only comment as I did previously on what I saw in the lead up up to that ball and only the bowler knows the intention behind how the ball was bowled

Again you are so high and mighty in your assumption that we must be grateful for the wonderful support that your fans apparantly give to us oiks in Derbyshire

Remind me again please which County is apparantly over £20 million in debt and which one made a small profit last season? so perhaps it should be your lot appealing for our support

You say also of course again in an high and mighty fashion that the majority of the crowd on sunday will be from over the border and unfortunately we shall all B****dy know it lol

I’m getting the word ‘Rattled’ 🤣

[sexpistol]

clarevoyant., on 15 June 2023 - 08:11 AM, said:

Avoiding answering the question re whether sheffield is the largest city in the country without a 1st class cricket ground actually answers the question in a typical Yorkshire way.

Why would Yorkshire want another ground when they've got a revamped Headingly? We are told Yorkshire "great", maybe so (no!), but it is geographically big. They should have more out grounds giving the 'fanatical' Yorkshire support chance to actually attend. Having maybe 6 (guess) outgrounds dotted about such a great county, which could easily be brought up to scratch to hoste one county championship match per season would benefit the Yorkshire membership far more than trying to maintain test match status at one ground for 5 days when sods law dictates it'll probably rain. Another question:- How many days play have you attended at Headingly against the likes of us or Gloucester (for example) in the county championship since covid?

Kelham Island, you'll have to educate me here. Educate me on how many potential cricket going folk will pop down to Kelham Island for a pre or post days play pint let alone maybe a couple during the lunch break. It may well be mentioned by some yanks but it doesn't get a mention in David Lloyds "Around the World In 80 Pints" so holds no credibility to this debate. A poor attempt of deflection on your part. 🍻

1) What have I avoided ? You stated yourself Sheffield was the largest city without a ground.

2) I think there should be at least another out ground in South Yorkshire but it is what it is.

3) Ive been once to Leeds and once to Scarborough since Covid. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make though? Ive never stated or implied I go to loads of games.

4) The Kelham Island point is relevant as there was a snide implication that only in Chesterfield could could the Yorkshire fans get a decent pint. If you are not familiar with Kelham Island I suggest you make a trip or at least research it. If you know anyone who has been, I doubt they will have a bad word to say about it.
Can you bring yourself to go to the big city of Sheffield though?

[clarevoyant.]

sexpistol, on 15 June 2023 - 10:45 AM, said:

1) What have I avoided ? You stated yourself Sheffield was the largest city without a ground.

2) I think there should be at least another out ground in South Yorkshire but it is what it is.

3) Ive been once to Leeds and once to Scarborough since Covid. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make though? Ive never stated or implied I go to loads of games.

4) The Kelham Island point is relevant as there was a snide implication that only in Chesterfield could could the Yorkshire fans get a decent pint. If you are not familiar with Kelham Island I suggest you make a trip or at least research it. If you know anyone who has been, I doubt they will have a bad word to say about it.
Can you bring yourself to go to the big city of Sheffield though?

1)Starting a sentence with 'is' and concluding with "?", isn't a statement but a question. If the answer was in the affirmative then it reflected badly on the cricket loving populace of Sheffield. Surely they should be campaigning for at least one county championship game per season. I'm not overly familiar with deedah grounds but possibly Abbeydale or the likes of HSBC could be brought up to scratch for little outlay for a 4 day game if and thats if the desire was there.

2)It is what it is because the hierarchy at HQ have been given an easy ride. Surely there should be enough b.ll.cks in a county the size of Yorkshire to have stood up to them and making cricket more accessible to the vast populace.

3)In simple terms then. The point I'm making is, it ain't easy for the majority of yorkshire folk to watch their team and when they get an easy opportunity to do so albeit on 'foriegn' soil they tend to go to great lengths to tell us, as if we didn't know!!

4)No. The implication was, as stated being without much travel time you could get a beer (none cricket ground stuff) pre and post match also at lunch without difficulty which would be impossible in Sheffield. And the assertions that my knowledge of Kelham Island is limited, will cause much hilarity in the boozer later.