[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 December 2016 - 07:56 PM, said:

That would be great if the club hadn't told so many lies in last year.
Why would anyone believe him?
Why would he use you as a mouthpiece and not the media guy who is paid?
How do we know it was the real AC on here?

Believing him is up to the individual I'm not substantiing what he said just that he said it.

I don't make things up

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 14 December 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Believing him is up to the individual I'm not substantiing what he said just that he said it.

I don't make things up

I'm not saying you do- I'm questioning AC and his unorthodox ways of informing the fans which is strange as its not very professional for a football club

[Trigger]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 14 December 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

Nice to see ones guess was just that and hopefully well off the mark !

I am going to write our christmas list......

Dear Santa

Can you send us a multi millionaire town fan to buy the club.

All look to the sky for a sliegh and riendeer

We could arrange a Euro millions syndicate. Bound to win it at some point with 1000 tickets a week 😊

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 December 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

I'm not saying you do- I'm questioning AC and his unorthodox ways of informing the fans which is strange as its not very professional for a football club

It looked very much like you were questioning the authenticity of the quote to me

[calvin plummers socks]

moondog, on 14 December 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

It looked very much like you were questioning the authenticity of the quote to me

Yes but not criticising you though

[moondog]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 December 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

Yes but not criticising you though

Okay fair enough, having read it again I can see you meant his direct postings not what I'm passing on. You seem to be the only person who thinks it might not be him.

For the ​record his position is every time he posts on here he subjected to some form of criticism and abused. When he has a joke it backfires. So he took the decision to never post again.

However he does read it and is able to correct rumours from time to time and add comment through me and sometimes others. This is not to say I'm his mouthpiece as on occasions I've refused to post things up or simply haven't been available.

He sees this as the best way forward and I can see where's he's coming from.

That being said him seeking to pass off our non playing staff costs that have risen substantially since Dave Allen became Chairman as being something he can't fix, in my opinion (that he knows) does him no favours.

[The Black Triangle]

calvin plummers socks, on 14 December 2016 - 07:56 PM, said:

That would be great if the club hadn't told so many lies in last year.
Why would anyone believe him?

I don't believe anything the four of them say. As you say, too many lies have been told.

[Martin63]

Trigger, on 14 December 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:

We could arrange a Euro millions syndicate. Bound to win it at some point with 1000 tickets a week 😊

If you won the £10m needed to buy the club, how many of the 1000 would want to keep their £10k share?

[Exharboroughspireite]

moondog, on 14 December 2016 - 08:55 PM, said:

Okay fair enough, having read it again I can see you meant his direct postings not what I'm passing on. You seem to be the only person who thinks it might not be him.

For the ​record his position is every time he posts on here he subjected to some form of criticism and abused. When he has a joke it backfires. So he took the decision to never post again.

However he does read it and is able to correct rumours from time to time and add comment through me and sometimes others. This is not to say I'm his mouthpiece as on occasions I've refused to post things up or simply haven't been available.

He sees this as the best way forward and can see where's he's coming from.

That being said him seeking to pass off our non playing staff costs that have risen substantially since Dave Allen became Chairman as being something he can't fix, in my opinion (that he knows) does him no favours.

Poor Ashley, my heart bleeds

[azul]

moondog, on 14 December 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

I've received the following message regarding these concerns from Ashley Carson.

"Just to put this thread straight.

Dave Allen has no intention of taking the stadium under A&S Leisure, selling the club and then renting the stadium back. This model would simply not work for the business either.

DA wants to try to sell the club in total, unfortunately this is only 83% but is still an attractive offer for someone. He is not trying to split off C&B or the Stadium. A clean sale would be the plan"

I actually believe him on this.

It might have considered the option but the reaction would be so hostile around the town that it wouldn't just be match day hospitality that would be hit.

Andpaart fom selling, I'm sure he'll be looking at other options for getting most of his money back

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

The simple reality is that Dave Allen and the directors of most football clubs invest significant amounts of time and cash into their clubs, unless you are in the premier league or one of the so called sleeping giant clubs the chance of getting your money back is remote and difficult to extract assuming its there.

In many instances the directors accept this because like us they are fans first and foremost.

We all know the likelyhood of a buyer coming to a club like ours is very slim, particularly at the quoted figures

So it would appear that we are most likely stuck with the status quo.

The frustration for every one is that for a while it looked really promising and we assumed (with improved crowds, wembley appearances, player sales, seemingly bouyant off field income) it was sustainable. Unfortunately it would appear not.

If we have been correctly managed with no abnormal costs it beggars the question how can any lower league club who has relocated survive ??

The big hope is that we will survive and normal service will resume , yo yo between leagues two and one in front of 3000-4500 home fans
pretty much what i have known in my 40 plus years watching town.

[spireitedave]

Re covenant - Oldham Athletic and Oldham Council wasted millions trying to build a new ground on land that had a convenient on it.The land in question is used by local football teams and was bought by public subscription in memory of WW1 dead - except no one bothered to check until they had wasted millions !

[Rudeboy spireite]

The old Tube Works playing field where we train has a covenant on it that it can only be used for sporting activities. A large building company bough it thinking that they could get round it. They failed, so if it is done right you cannot get round it

[Tylerdurdencfc]

In our case it is up to Wilson Bowden what they want to do with it as they hold the convenient

[dim view]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 15 December 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

In our case it is up to Wilson Bowden what they want to do with it as they hold the convenient

that's my understanding.
It's a simple commercial safeguard agreement as a condition for them gifting the land to CFC. It's not indestructible though. I remember Barrie Hubbard saying at a public meeting that he wouldn't sign anything that prevents CFC moving if ever a more modern stadium on a new site becomes feasible for the next generation. Wilson Bowden or their successors would not then want there to be a 'restricted for football' covenant on the sacred 10 acres.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 15 December 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

The simple reality is that Dave Allen and the directors of most football clubs invest significant amounts of time and cash into their clubs, unless you are in the premier league or one of the so called sleeping giant clubs the chance of getting your money back is remote and difficult to extract assuming its there.

In many instances the directors accept this because like us they are fans first and foremost.

We all know the likelyhood of a buyer coming to a club like ours is very slim, particularly at the quoted figures

So it would appear that we are most likely stuck with the status quo.

The frustration for every one is that for a while it looked really promising and we assumed (with improved crowds, wembley appearances, player sales, seemingly bouyant off field income) it was sustainable. Unfortunately it would appear not.

If we have been correctly managed with no abnormal costs it beggars the question how can any lower league club who has relocated survive ??

The big hope is that we will survive and normal service will resume , yo yo between leagues two and one in front of 3000-4500 home fans
pretty much what i have known in my 40 plus years watching town.

When Allen first arrived admitting his intention to invest to profit, it appeared a win-win scenario.

Grow CFC to sell?

Who could begrudge the majority shareholder his return for what he'd deliver at our club.

However few asked - and I'm as guilty as anyone - what might happen if the plan failed.

For the first few years he was as good as his word; two league titles, two Wembley visits and entertaining football in a modern stadium. But then debts largely resulting from decisions he made seemed to see him lose interest, the Club apparently becoming an expensive pain in the ass.

The plan had indeed failed.

So now we're left with an outfit populated by characters whose only connection is via their bank accounts - the four long term directors being the latest of a plethora of Chesterfield folk forced out/choosing to leave the Proact (depending on which rumours you believe) - and a business that looks a pale imitation of the 'bouncing' one initially created on Sheffield Road.

All that said it's absurd to suggest we should simply accept a return to yo-yo, Saltergate style ambitions.

We have the infrastructure and we have the fanbase.

What we don't currently have is a football club run in a straightforward, controversy free manner.

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

MDCCCLXVI, on 16 December 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

When Allen first arrived admitting his intention to invest to profit, it appeared a win-win scenario.

Grow CFC to sell?

Who could begrudge the majority shareholder his return for what he'd deliver at our club.

However few asked - and I'm as guilty as anyone - what might happen if the plan failed.

For the first few years he was as good as his word; two league titles, two Wembley visits and entertaining football in a modern stadium. But then debts largely resulting from decisions he made seemed to see him lose interest, the Club apparently becoming an expensive pain in the ass.

The plan had indeed failed.

So now we're left with an outfit populated by characters whose only connection is via their bank accounts - the four long term directors being the latest of a plethora of Chesterfield folk forced out/choosing to leave the Proact (depending on which rumours you believe) - and a business that looks a pale imitation of the 'bouncing' one initially created on Sheffield Road.

All that said it's absurd to suggest we should simply accept a return to yo-yo, Saltergate style ambitions.

We have the infrastructure and we have the fanbase.

What we don't currently have is a football club run in a straightforward, controversy free manner.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying and I dont want to see a return to the Yo Yo years. I am neither pro or anti the current set up , I dont know them personally, so i can only make assumptions and on a number of those I share the same concerns as you.

However the harsh reality is the running of the club is effectively now in the hands of one man and he calls the shots, the Politics of the board etc are well beyond our control and most of us rely on rumour or hearsay for snippets of information. We have all been around long enough to understand the " two sides to an arguement concept"

The hope has to be that Dave Allen is certainly no fool and has a proven business record, this does not mean he loves our football club and is a fan first and foremost, what it does mean is though that he will want to protect his investment and as a man of pride he will hopefully want a sucess not a failure on his hands, as such he still needs to keep the club going in the hope it becomes an attracive investment for some one in the future.

On a positive note Saturday confirmed what a funny old game it is , from zeros to heroes in a week ! COYB

[Sammy Spireite]

Close but no prawn sarnies, on 19 December 2016 - 11:16 AM, said:

what it does mean is though that he will want to protect his investment and as a man of pride he will hopefully want a sucess not a failure on his hands,

then why allow it to be run in such an incompetent manner for so long?

[Close but no prawn sarnies]

Sammy Spireite, on 19 December 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:

then why allow it to be run in such an incompetent manner for so long?

I have no idea ! Pride sometimes = stubborn =not wanting to accept you have called it wrong and having missplaced faith in people , others dont share ???

Rather than assume the mess is due to incompetance, what would be interesting is a direct finacial comparison with similar sized clubs who have relocated , are they bleeding money to a greater or lesser degree. In my opinion a smaller club than us and a new ground before us but what are the finances like at Shrewsbury for instance , Walsall etc.

I share the view that things should not be as bad as they are btw.

This post has been edited by Close but no prawn sarnies: 19 December 2016 - 01:18 PM

[Town_Fan]

Any truth to the rumour that DA wants the Proact so he can control cheese board access to the peasants?