[moondog]

dim view, on 05 December 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:

Ha, ok. Ta.

So we need to know then whether it is the original trip or the reorganised trip or both that weren't booked.
In fact, going on subsequent posts on here, we should now demand to know the complete booking history of trips organised by the DC.

It will be both, as if the replacement trip was booked, correcting the wrong doing first time round, then surely this evidence would have been presented instead there is no evidence whatsoever of any PSG trip booking

[calvin plummers socks]

For clarification was it Chris Turner the Club's CEO who stated :-

"We don't make mistakes"?

[Benno Spire]

Scandal after scandal, what is happening to our club?
Losing count of the number of hardcore fans who have either lost interest or losing interest fast and we will be losing the fans of the future
I am really worried what else is going to come out. Will ex directors and staff air the dirty laundry

[hilly81]

Benno Spire, on 05 December 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Scandal after scandal, what is happening to our club?
Losing count of the number of hardcore fans who have either lost interest or losing interest fast and we will be losing the fans of the future
I am really worried what else is going to come out. Will ex directors and staff air the dirty laundry

This whole business is just unbelievable. One thing after another. CT, AC the lot of them should be ashamed. I'm taking my lad to watch Chester. As a fan owned club they have probably peaked but at least they are legit and will be around in 20 years time. CFC is dead to me.

[dim view]

Benno Spire, on 05 December 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Scandal after scandal, what is happening to our club?
Losing count of the number of hardcore fans who have either lost interest or losing interest fast and we will be losing the fans of the future
I am really worried what else is going to come out. Will ex directors and staff air the dirty laundry

Ashley Carson should immediately give the Chairman, assisted by 2 independent fans, unlimited access to the DC since it's incorporation in order to produce a report which will be published in full and handed over to the authorities if there are serious concerns.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Surely the police be brought in?

Ashley Carson deserves credit for admitting what could easily be interpreted as money being obtained by deception - at least he's doing the right thing and 'getting in front of it', as they say on American cop shows.

And we can only wonder what would've happened had 'Bob's Board' members, in conjunction with parents and the Derbyshire Times, not reported these events.

I'd suggest the time has come for either Ashley himself or one of the parents involved to refer the matter to Chesterfield Constabulary.

[Westbars Spireite]

Laughable to think how we were/are seen as meddlesome troublemakers by those in power. Time after time scandals have been exposed with no end in sight.

It really is a sorry tale.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 05 December 2016 - 08:08 PM

[dim view]

freelander2, on 05 December 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

Any update on the outstanding action points?

I have an update on mine....

CFC 2001 Accounts, Directed to John Croot & Chris Breeze

Chris Turner has said on many occasions that CFC Football Development School Ltd / CFC International Football Academy Ltd have never been a debtor in the CFC 2001 accounts, do you agree?

Answer – Yes

Action point – Dimview to make further enquiries and report back.

Update. An ex-Director has confirmed to me that the Development School appeared on many occasions as a Debtor in the accounts. The money was typically used to pay wages and was repaid on an ad hoc basis. All Directors received copies and should have been aware.

This post has been edited by dim view: 05 December 2016 - 09:48 PM

[Guest_freelander2_*]

dim view, on 05 December 2016 - 09:47 PM, said:

I have an update on mine....

CFC 2001 Accounts, Directed to John Croot & Chris Breeze

Chris Turner has said on many occasions that CFC Football Development School Ltd / CFC International Football Academy Ltd have never been a debtor in the CFC 2001 accounts, do you agree?

Answer – Yes

Action point – Dimview to make further enquiries and report back.

Update. An ex-Director has confirmed to me that the Development School appeared on many occasions as a Debtor in the accounts. The money was typically used to pay wages and was repaid on an ad hoc basis. All Directors received copies and should have been aware.

Interesting!

Question one on the PDF, which was asked in advance of the fans' forum read as follows:

1) Other debtors, a full list of debtor details and outstanding balances relating to the same for year ends 30/06/13 (£280,071), 30/06/14 (£641,200), 30/06/15 (£228,557) and 30/06/16 (£219,818).

AC's response:
Other £219,000 - £101,000 Community Trust Outstanding Debt to Club
£50,000 – PrePaid including Rates

Our response:
No figures have been provided for 2013, 2014 or 2015. Where details for 2016 have been provided there is still £68,818 of other debtors which have not been accounted for. Further detail would be appreciated.

AC's response:
I have not gone back and investigated previous years Management Accounts. A lot of these are not in electronic format and were handed out at Board Meetings. I can’t locate the end of year figures, only certain months.

Most of this information would be held by the previous Finance Director.

This post has been edited by freelander2: 05 December 2016 - 10:00 PM

[Exharboroughspireite]

Thank you to the several individuals on here who really are pushing for the truth to be uncovered. Let's hope that those responsible for not just bringing the clubs name into disrepute but also for acting inappropriately with individuals hard earned money are held responsible by all interested agencies.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 December 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:

Our club is one big embarrassing joke!

Or more precisely some of the people working at or on behalf of or associated with the club are

[Bankrobber]

Exharboroughspireite, on 05 December 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

Thank you to the several individuals on here who really are pushing for the truth to be uncovered. Let's hope that those responsible for not just bringing the clubs name into disrepute but also for acting inappropriately with individuals hard earned money are held responsible by all interested agencies.

Seconded. Keep the fine work going Gents.

[The Black Triangle]

freelander2, on 05 December 2016 - 09:59 PM, said:

Interesting!

Question one on the PDF, which was asked in advance of the fans' forum read as follows:

1) Other debtors, a full list of debtor details and outstanding balances relating to the same for year ends 30/06/13 (£280,071), 30/06/14 (£641,200), 30/06/15 (£228,557) and 30/06/16 (£219,818).

AC's response:
Other £219,000 - £101,000 Community Trust Outstanding Debt to Club
£50,000 – PrePaid including Rates

Our response:
No figures have been provided for 2013, 2014 or 2015. Where details for 2016 have been provided there is still £68,818 of other debtors which have not been accounted for. Further detail would be appreciated.

AC's response:
I have not gone back and investigated previous years Management Accounts. A lot of these are not in electronic format and were handed out at Board Meetings. I can’t locate the end of year figures, only certain months.

Most of this information would be held by the previous Finance Director.

Don't you have to keep all accounts for 3 years for audit purposes?

[60s 70s Spireite]

The Gimp, on 06 December 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

Don't you have to keep all accounts for 3 years for audit purposes?

At least six years from the last year end for HMRC purposes

[The Black Triangle]

60s 70s Spireite, on 06 December 2016 - 06:47 AM, said:

At least six years from the last year end for HMRC purposes

So when Carson says he doesn't have them, he is either lying or the business is in contravention........do they think the fans are all as dumb as Turner?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

The Gimp, on 06 December 2016 - 07:58 AM, said:

So when Carson says he doesn't have them, he is either lying or the business is in contravention........do they think the fans are all as dumb as Turner?

Shorts will also have copies of the Sage year end back up files.

[clarevoyant.]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 05 December 2016 - 10:35 PM, said:

Or more precisely some of the people working at or on behalf of or associated with the club are

At the fans forum CT was asked something along the lines of :- Do the coaching expertise that LS bring to the club outweigh the obvious negativity he attracts?
The answer was a short terse "YES"

Time for a reassessment I think,
unless, they are about to reveal that the "Acca" is full of potential under 18 internationals (I think the chance of that ended when I celebrated my 19th there)

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 06 December 2016 - 10:41 AM

[DIFH]

Benno Spire, on 05 December 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Scandal after scandal, what is happening to our club?
Losing count of the number of hardcore fans who have either lost interest or losing interest fast and we will be losing the fans of the future
I am really worried what else is going to come out. Will ex directors and staff air the dirty laundry

There is a common denominator.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Question 8 on the PDF read as follows:

Over the past four trading years, there has been notable increases in the following overheads, please explain the reasons for the increases:

Legal and professional fees including agent fees increased by circa 592% from £38,960 (2012) to £269,614 (2016).

AC's response:
2015 £116.641 - Agents Fees £60,655, Accountancy £40,068, Legal £15,000
2016 £269,614 - Agents Fees £84,600, Accountancy £50,766, Legal £13,247, Scouting Fees £36,298, payments to Players and Bonuses £80,000

Our follow up:
What does the £80,000 bonus relate to in a season where we achieved nothing? Why is it recorded on professional fees as opposed to wages ?

AC's response:
Within the “Professional Fees” are fees paid to some players as part of transfer deals and also Chris Turner’s commission on the profit from player sales. This is separated out as not classed as wages. This was confirmed in the FF.


I'm still struggling with this.

Why would payments to full-time, salaried employees be charged to professional fees in the accounts?

[dim view]

freelander2, on 07 December 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

I'm still struggling with this.

Why would payments to full-time, salaried employees be charged to professional fees in the accounts?

Well I'm no accountant, but presumably he must have submitted an invoice as an employee or director of another company?