[essexspireman]

There appear to be some members of the board and attendees at the fan's forum who know more about accounting and what's wrong with the club than the board do. Several on here have highlighted issues that have the board running around like headless chickens. Have any of you thought about offering your services to the club to help them out of this mess?

Something has to be done to keep the club alive and the board don't seem to know what.

[Westbars Spireite]

essexspireman, on 12 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

There appear to be some members of the board and attendees at the fan's forum who know more about accounting and what's wrong with the club than the board do. Several on here have highlighted issues that have the board running around like headless chickens. Have any of you thought about offering your services to the club to help them out of this mess?

Something has to be done to keep the club alive and the board don't seem to know what.

It's been done.

[Stockholm Spireite]

essexspireman, on 12 November 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

There appear to be some members of the board and attendees at the fan's forum who know more about accounting and what's wrong with the club than the board do. Several on here have highlighted issues that have the board running around like headless chickens. Have any of you thought about offering your services to the club to help them out of this mess?

Something has to be done to keep the club alive and the board don't seem to know what.

It sounds like a good idea in principle, but these skills are the core of what a CEO should be. Why would anyone do the job of the CEO, and probably not receive payment for it?

This was mentioned in other threads, I think, and some offers were refused by the club. It would be interesting to see the reaction from AC and CT, when they are shown how to do their jobs by outsiders.

Their appointments, especially CT, reminds me of the satirical TV show from many years ago called The Peter Principle. The theory is that the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence." This is definitely life imitating art.

For the younger generation, watch the character Michael Scott in The Office USA. You'll be left wondering how does an idiot rise to that level?

[moondog]

Les Ashmore, on 12 November 2016 - 06:06 PM, said:

But Mark, Had there not been one then the fans weren't the ones who broke the agreement, I may be being a bit old fashioned here but if I make an agreement I keep it and I expect any I make to be kept, THAT is my point, I am aware that the one that was released by the club was Brief, But we should have awaited its release Then personal transcripts could have been posted, everybody thinks I am complaining about the actual wording but earlier I stated it was fair but Biased, My point is purely the agreement side of it.
and before I am asked how can it be fair but biased, The content is mostly accurate but the observations were biased

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Les if the agreement was an official transcript as you have described it then the club have clearly failed. so why are you stilll criticising those that expected the club not to honour this ?

[dim view]

Stockholm Spireite, on 12 November 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

It sounds like a good idea in principle, but these skills are the core of what a CEO should be. Why would anyone do the job of the CEO, and probably not receive payment for it?

This was mentioned in other threads, I think, and some offers were refused by the club. It would be interesting to see the reaction from AC and CT, when they are shown how to do their jobs by outsiders.

Their appointments, especially CT, reminds me of the satirical TV show from many years ago called The Peter Principle. The theory is that the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence." This is definitely life imitating art.

For the younger generation, watch the character Michael Scott in The Office USA. You'll be left wondering how does an idiot rise to that level?

You are making the mistake of believing that the Chairman would welcome an intervention. The current activities of CT and AC are authorised and endorsed by DA and his best accountant.

[Stockholm Spireite]

dim view, on 12 November 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:

You are making the mistake of believing that the Chairman would welcome an intervention. The current activities of CT and AC are authorised and endorsed by DA and his best accountant.

Sir, I am under no illusions that any kind of intervention would be welcomed by DA. If DA is always right - and in his mind, he is - then everything is tickety-boo at the Proact. If it ain't broke, and all that...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Les Ashmore, on 12 November 2016 - 06:06 PM, said:

But Mark, Had there not been one then the fans weren't the ones who broke the agreement, I may be being a bit old fashioned here but if I make an agreement I keep it and I expect any I make to be kept, THAT is my point, I am aware that the one that was released by the club was Brief, But we should have awaited its release Then personal transcripts could have been posted, everybody thinks I am complaining about the actual wording but earlier I stated it was fair but Biased, My point is purely the agreement side of it.
and before I am asked how can it be fair but biased, The content is mostly accurate but the observations were biased

You confirm that what's been posted is accurate - so how can it be biased? And isn't the hugely edited report on the official website biased? Meanwhile we still await the full transcript being released on there or other social media - when's that gonna happen, Les? Why hasn't it yet?

Then you, personally, are taking issue with the timing of that information being publicised. Has Nick Johnson complained? Chris Turner or Ashley Carson? John Croot or Chris Breeze? Or is this simply a case of you pursuing a minor issue because a friend struggled under scrutiny.

I'd also make a polite request.

I understand you're levelling accusations of character assassination and criticising the approach of 'Bob's Board' contributors on 'Facebook'. I'd ask you post comments relating to forum members on here allowing them an opportunity to respond. And doesn't your focus upon my good self, adding not one single fact to support your allegations, constitute 'character assassination'? Hypocrisy, Les, straightforward hypocrisy.

Let's be clear; there was no abuse, name calling or insults on Wednesday. I then had friendly exchanges with, and shook the hand of every member of the top table. At no point did anyone complain about the questioning. Infact Chris Turner himself said his door was always open to me.

Again it appears you're just whinging because a mate endured a firm, but by your own admission fair interrogation and came out of it poorly.

Post the whole thing, word-for-word, and allow folk to decide for themselves.

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 13 November 2016 - 09:24 AM

[essexspireman]

Westbars Spireite, on 12 November 2016 - 09:13 PM, said:

It's been done.

are you saying that offers of help were ignored or turned down by the club?

[Goku]

From what I've read and if memory serves, a variety of people have offered help to the club who are experts in their field - from nutrition, fitness and scouting to the financial side of things. According to the posters themselves this has always been voluntarily or for low basic rates but the club has always ignored them or turned them down.

[Westbars Spireite]

Or they've been and their assistance mocked & ignored.

[brockwell-spireite]

Goku, on 13 November 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

From what I've read and if memory serves, a variety of people have offered help to the club who are experts in their field - from nutrition, fitness and scouting to the financial side of things. According to the posters themselves this has always been voluntarily or for low basic rates but the club has always ignored them or turned them down.

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

[clarevoyant.]

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

Similar to our current directors then

[jonnythespireite]

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

Or concerned fans willing to give up their time for the club that they care passionately about.

[Goku]

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

They are, from what I gather. Not that I'm trying to sell them to you but CPS, Misnomer and Stockholm Spireite can tell you for themselves cos if I start talking on their behalf it's gonna look weird but I'm pretty sure none of them are struggling for work. Surely you're not suggesting someone automatically can't find time to volunteer any time because they have another job too?

Just to clarify those three are the ones I've picked up on who work on the football side of things (Nutrition, fitness and scouting I believe), not exactly sure if we've had volunteers for the financial side of things, I *think* there has been but I couldn't give you a name unless Freelander was one (sorry if not).

This post has been edited by Goku: 13 November 2016 - 11:23 AM

[brockwell-spireite]

Goku, on 13 November 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

They are, from what I gather. Not that I'm trying to sell them to you but CPS, Misnomer and Stockholm Spireite can tell you for themselves cos if I start talking on their behalf it's gonna look weird but I'm pretty sure none of them are struggling for work. Surely you're not suggesting someone automatically can't find time to volunteer any time because they have another job too?

Just to clarify those three are the ones I've picked up on who work on the football side of things (Nutrition, fitness and scouting I believe), not exactly sure if we've had volunteers for the financial side of things, I *think* there has been but I couldn't give you a name unless Freelander was one (sorry if not).

Fans wanting to help the club is brilliant, but I'd rather those positions be filled by full time staff dedicated to doing the job on a daily basis, although scouting is one position you could do on a part time basis.

[dim view]

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

Ageist pig.

[Stockholm Spireite]

Goku, on 13 November 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

From what I've read and if memory serves, a variety of people have offered help to the club who are experts in their field - from nutrition, fitness and scouting to the financial side of things. According to the posters themselves this has always been voluntarily or for low basic rates but the club has always ignored them or turned them down.

Westbars Spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 10:58 AM, said:

Or they've been and their assistance mocked & ignored.

Both of these statements are correct. There's a poster on here who was given access to the 'inner sanctum' and then told his input was not welcome. Sometimes the truth is unpalatable...

For what it's worth, I find scouting and analysis work easily whenever I'm back in England. I work for clubs in the north-west who send me games (much more than youtube highlights), so I can analyse the player, then I'm sent the specifics to focus upon. I've also done analysis work for those clubs regarding upcoming opponents to help with their preparations for specific games. CFC has my details. Maybe it's the Dave Allen "nobody outside this club tells us what to do" DNA that permeates other departments?

brockwell-spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Surely if these people are experts in their field they would be busy being employed at bigger clubs or institutions... and struggling for the time to work on a voluntary basis?

Maybe you could volunteer your services re: agents and legal fees - unless you yourself are working at a bigger club or institution?

[brockwell-spireite]

Stockholm Spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Both of these statements are correct. There's a poster on here who was given access to the 'inner sanctum' and then told his input was not welcome. Sometimes the truth is unpalatable...

For what it's worth, I find scouting and analysis work easily whenever I'm back in England. I work for clubs in the north-west who send me games (much more than youtube highlights), so I can analyse the player, then I'm sent the specifics to focus upon. I've also done analysis work for those clubs regarding upcoming opponents to help with their preparations for specific games. CFC has my details. Maybe it's the Dave Allen "nobody outside this club tells us what to do" DNA that permeates other departments?


It's Danny Wilson you should be approaching re: the scouting and analysis, sure it's him who picks his team for technical assistance not DA.



Maybe you could volunteer your services re: agents and legal fees - unless you yourself are working at a bigger club or institution?

[Stockholm Spireite]

Brockwell, I never said I approached DA, more suggested that his "sod 'em" attitude to outside help permeates other areas of the club. Plus, bringing in somebody to help or do the job of a current incumbent can make their ass twitch more than a rabbits' nose...

I've contacted the club during the reign of the current manager, and the previous two. I've sent evidence of my scouting and analysis (it's all stored in the cloud; maybe the new IT provider can find it), I've sent references from the clubs I'm currently helping, with details of the contact within those clubs. It only needs a phone call from CFC to verify my credentials, but I'm not holding my breath. If I'm doing something right for another club, then there's no need for me to seek this out; the work is there for me.

I'm pretty certain that if my services were presented to DA, his response would be along the lines of "But he's going to cost me money and I've already got scouts, coaches and an analyst. If he really wants to help, what he needs to do is come to a B****Y game and bring a friend or two!"

This post has been edited by Stockholm Spireite: 13 November 2016 - 04:28 PM

[brockwell-spireite]

Stockholm Spireite, on 13 November 2016 - 04:21 PM, said:

Brockwell, I never said I approached DA, more suggested that his "sod 'em" attitude to outside help permeates other areas of the club. Plus, bringing in somebody to help or do the job of a current incumbent can make their ass twitch more than a rabbits' nose...

I've contacted the club during the reign of the current manager, and the previous two. I've sent evidence of my scouting and analysis (it's all stored in the cloud; maybe the new IT provider can find it), I've sent references from the clubs I'm currently helping, with details of the contact within those clubs. It only needs a phone call from CFC to verify my credentials, but I'm not holding my breath. If I'm doing something right for another club, then there's no need for me to seek this out; the work is there for me.

I'm pretty certain that if my services were presented to DA, his response would be along the lines of "But he's going to cost me money and I've already got scouts, coaches and an analyst. If he really wants to help, what he needs to do is come to a B****Y game and bring a friend or two!"

There's no sarcasm in this response, I'm sure you or many others on this board could've come up with a better tactical plan than what was served up today... for me I accept Danny is working on a tight budget.. but it's not the smallest budget in the league.. and he has brought in and played sub standard players like Fulton and di maio

You'd be wasting your time... it's a while ago now and a different management team but I did a report for town on Bristol city once, I lost count how many times I talked about showing Murray their winger outside and not letting him come in... first half and we're showing him inside to score into the kop end... so frustrating

This post has been edited by brockwell-spireite: 13 November 2016 - 04:32 PM