[dim view]

Mr Mercury, on 11 November 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

I agree certain people had to answer questions they never would at an AGM. This doesn't mean the top table should stifle any future meetings along the same lines. The more honest the questions and answers become the more all parties can try to work together.

That process should start with Nick Johnson having a second try at the minutes. Freelander said it might take Nick 7 hours to complete the work. I could have done what he's currently submitted when I went for a pizz at the interval.

[Lincs Spireite]

dim view, on 11 November 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

That process should start with Nick Johnson having a second try at the minutes. Freelander said it might take Nick 7 hours to complete the work. I could have done what he's currently submitted when I went for a pizz at the interval.

I guess NJ had to run it by the management and DA before publishing, hence the abridged version.

[azul]

SpireiteFitzy, on 11 November 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

I can't believe we paid Fitzgerald off. He basically committed fraud and supposedly alone so how does that get rewarded?

Perhaps we don't want the case to go to tribunal, perhaps he would implicate others.

Not surprised we paid him off under those circumstances.

I'm sure the forum attendees queried this and/or are seeking an explanantion

[essexspireman]

ash_cfc, on 11 November 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

£1m+? Dave Allen wants £5m and then to sell the club!

He's not worth £ 5m

[azul]

dim view, on 11 November 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

That process should start with Nick Johnson having a second try at the minutes. Freelander said it might take Nick 7 hours to complete the work. I could have done what he's currently submitted when I went for a pizz at the interval.

So are you going to post the detail on here because it is sadly missing

dim view, on 11 November 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:

Having attended, I have the opposite view. We achieved far more than we could ever hope for at the AGM, where DA will stifle all discussion on the DC. I will be attending in a relaxed mood having had my say, sit back, let others have a go, and probably just ask DW a few questions about footy.

Evidence please

[For your eyes only]

dim view, on 11 November 2016 - 10:07 PM, said:

That process should start with Nick Johnson having a second try at the minutes. Freelander said it might take Nick 7 hours to complete the work. I could have done what he's currently submitted when I went for a pizz at the interval.

I agree. If that summary is it then that's truly pathetic.

[Forever a Spireite]

freelander2, on 11 November 2016 - 09:41 PM, said:

Tell me why Rodney Walker would "rescue" Sutcliffe & CFC International Football Academy and employ Kevin Rafflegate Fitzgerald?...

Don't understand your post Freelander

[Les Ashmore]

cfc_scott, on 11 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Never met the bloke, but this les seems a right dick

I agree

[Les Ashmore]

clarevoyant., on 11 November 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

Others being plural!! Are you sure?

Absolutely But you should already know that, Oh Old stuff I know But still effective, Wasn't it Cookie that said it?, Ok But I don't need to prove anything.

[azul]

This thread appears to be turning into a thread about someone called Asmore

Why?

[Les Ashmore]

azul, on 11 November 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

So are you going to post the detail on here because it is sadly missing


Evidence please

Oh For God's sake what is the point, You lot thanks to MXxX whatever, Mr X if you like has already made his version known so no matter if anyone produced the full Transcript the vast majority of this Board or Forum or Judge and Jury would disbelieve it, Let's just forget it. We will leave you lot out of any future Forums.

azul, on 11 November 2016 - 11:55 PM, said:

This thread appears to be turning into a thread about someone called Asmore

Why?

PMSL can't even spell correctly

[azul]

Les Ashmore, on 11 November 2016 - 11:59 PM, said:

PMSL can't even spell correctly

Just a typo, I meant Assmore

[dim view]

azul, on 11 November 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

So are you going to post the detail on here because it is sadly missing


Evidence please

I agree. There were 10 of us. We each asked 1 question and participated eagerly in follow up discussions. We could each very easily summarise each discussion and publish actions that must be followed up. I think there is a collective responsibility though, so I await feedback from t'other 9.

[dim view]

Les Ashmore, on 11 November 2016 - 11:59 PM, said:

Oh For God's sake what is the point, You lot thanks to MXxX whatever, Mr X if you like has already made his version known so no matter if anyone produced the full Transcript the vast majority of this Board or Forum or Judge and Jury would disbelieve it, Let's just forget it. We will leave you lot out of any future Forums.

Heyup Les. Have I missed your write up of the meeting? Weren't you in charge of the Facebook Group? What's your feedback?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Les Ashmore, on 11 November 2016 - 11:59 PM, said:

We will leave you lot out of any future Forums.

Les,

I'm not sure who would benefit from that.

On Wednesday, I thought a lot of topics were raised and discussed in an adult manner which resulted in a lot of information being extracted from the top table.

I believe that a future fans' forum without a representation from Bob's Board would be a weaker one.


Mike

[moondog]

Please find attached the Questions/ Information request on the accounts presented to AC before the forum, along with his responses which included in a covering email the following detail relating to this year's accounts.

AC asks that fans appreciate that not many football clubs would be prepared to release this level of detail to fans and he is not avoiding answering questions but all of the information requested is not readily available although it ought to be for future years.


"In addition, this year to date, First Quarter:

Banqueting profits are £32,916 worse than budget
Commercial profits are £24,802 worse than budget
Football profits are £135,760 worse than budget
Overheads are £30,140 worse than budget

Total £204,000 worse than budget

These are only against budget, not actual, but not good figures.

Year To Date Actuals, First Quarter:
C&B Sales today are actually £5,000 up on 2015
Commercial is £22,800 down on 2015
Football income is £1.4 million down (player sales affect this)
Overheads. Are a pleasing £55,000 lower than 2015 Actuals"

[60s 70s Spireite]

moondog, on 12 November 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Please find attached the Questions on the accounts presented to AC before the forum, along with his responses which included in a covering email the following detail relating to this year's accounts.

AC asks that fans appreciate that not many football clubs would be prepared to release this level of detail to fans and he is not avoiding answering questions but all of the information requested is not readily available although it ought to be for future years.


"In addition, this year to date, First Quarter:

Banqueting profits are £32,916 worse than budget
Commercial profits are £24,802 worse than budget
Football profits are £135,760 worse than budget
Overheads are £30,140 worse than budget

Total £204,000 worse than budget

These are only against budget, not actual, but not good figures.

Year To Date Actuals, First Quarter:
C&B Sales today are actually £5,000 up on 2015
Commercial is £22,800 down on 2015
Football income is £1.4 million down (player sales affect this)
Overheads. Are a pleasing £55,000 lower than 2015 Actuals"

Just to be clear, the words in brown font are AC's secondary responses to our further questions (in red). The further analysis of wages given now takes the wages figure over that disclosed in the accounts, so there must be double counting there.

To be fair to AC and the club, I think we have to agree that the information supplied is way above that normally available from other fellow clubs.
On the financial side one would think the first area to target for savings would be the biggest debit, wages. On the playing side, the top table said 'DA will not cut the players wages budget'. But that still leaves well over £2M to go through with a fine tooth comb.

In answer to my question about comparing us to say Walsall, Burton and Rochdale, CT came back with the response that Walsall have much bigger banqueting facilities, with the venue regularly hosting Asian Weddings (and there is a brochure on their site advertising this). However that doesn't explain why Walsall's total wage bill is some £1.2M less than ours.

There is an almost palpable exasperation coming from the Board as what to do to put things back on track. Other than player sales (why sign Ebabks Blake, Herd, Martinez and indeed loan Novak then?) and dipping into DA's pocket. Although they did insist overheads are being cut.
In response to a further question 'why does the club pay the interest and loan repayments to A and S Leisure, only for DA to have put funds back in', AC said A and S Leisure is Mark Allens responsibility and that's what he wants. Not sure I am entirely convinced. However then came the statement that there was a proposal on the table for all directors to suspend taking interest payments.

[calvin plummers socks]

cfc_scott, on 11 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Never met the bloke, but this les seems a right dick

Seems a right piece of work.
Little power trip by the looks of it (" I was there, I know stuff,others shouldn't")?

[Jbspire]

moondog, on 12 November 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Please find attached the Questions/ Information request on the accounts presented to AC before the forum, along with his responses which included in a covering email the following detail relating to this year's accounts.

AC asks that fans appreciate that not many football clubs would be prepared to release this level of detail to fans and he is not avoiding answering questions but all of the information requested is not readily available although it ought to be for future years.


"In addition, this year to date, First Quarter:

Banqueting profits are £32,916 worse than budget
Commercial profits are £24,802 worse than budget
Football profits are £135,760 worse than budget
Overheads are £30,140 worse than budget

Total £204,000 worse than budget

These are only against budget, not actual, but not good figures.

Year To Date Actuals, First Quarter:
C&B Sales today are actually £5,000 up on 2015
Commercial is £22,800 down on 2015
Football income is £1.4 million down (player sales affect this)
Overheads. Are a pleasing £55,000 lower than 2015 Actuals"

Any idea who set the budget? I wonder if they plan to do a revised forecast for the year following on from q1 actuals?

[Les Ashmore]

freelander2, on 12 November 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

Les,

I'm not sure who would benefit from that.

On Wednesday, I thought a lot of topics were raised and discussed in an adult manner which resulted in a lot of information being extracted from the top table.

I believe that a future fans' forum without a representation from Bob's Board would be a weaker one.


Mike

Mike I'm not sure either, But because of the personal attack of a single individual who failed to keep an agreement the whole thing looks like it will not happen again, Nick Johnson had very little time to complete a transcript because of his other work ie Sky & Peak FM etc, I requested a Transcript ASAP so that everybody could be kept in touch but as the "Unofficial" version appeared something had to be done quick so NJ did a brief summary, On thursday No Facebook statements had appeared anywhere, Thursday evening whilst in a business meeting I got a call from a Facebook FF member saying they had not put anything out but everybody was commenting on a Post that had appeared on this Board, I told them to Copy and Paste it stating that if there was to be any Flak it would be directed on this Board and not at either Facebook forums members, Sadly there is Flak
I am receiving requests to keep the FF going but with exclusions, as yet I have not even got an agreement it will continue
The Board representatives agreed to a few things which as far as I am aware they have kept to there word, BB gave in a number of requests which are being attended to, The sign across the road has been romoved, The Fans Forum were asked to do one thing, wait for the Official released transcript and that was broken within hours

This post has been edited by Les Ashmore: 12 November 2016 - 09:41 AM