[starsky72]

Trying to explain the difference between "not guilty" and "innocent" to Les Ashmore and the like on Facebook... utterly pointless

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Mr Mercury, on 14 October 2016 - 05:28 PM, said:

But isn't that why this should never have been brought to court, the CPS said you should press a case for rape, which she then would have agreed with even though she never ever accused him of rape and had no recollection of it?

More or less.

Though the CPS get involved at a later stage after the decision to press charges is made. They then decide if there is a case to answer.

eg. I got whacked in town once. There was video evidence, but the police still asked me if I wished to press charges. They couldn't press charges of their own accord. The case notes are then given to the CPS at a later date to see if their is a case to answer.

[Westbars Spireite]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 14 October 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

You're wrong. Of course the CPS pursued the prosecution, they always do as they make the decision over whether there is a case to answer.

But they only do that if the complainant chooses to press charges. She is the complainant, she made the complaint. I've posted the meaning of the word complainant. It's pretty straightforward.

What have I said that's wrong?

At no point has she said in court that he raped her. If she had he would be a convicted rapist still today.

[Misnomer]

70s Vivo, on 14 October 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

If you had substituted "idiot" for "scumbag" I think you would have got a lot more support for your argument. In my opinion you are right what you say and I would hopefully be as good a dad as you seem to be by doing the same. I think you just wrote it with a bit too much passion and anger.

All I can say is I've worked with a lot of footballers and I know exactly how they operate; not many on here can say that they have had regular contact with professional footballers, I think it's just me and CPS, from recollection. I found it quite astonishing that the defence was allowed to utilise a witness who had previously slept with the victim, yet Evans' previous exploits could not be submitted...bizarre. If folk think he's a changed man, they are deluded. And, as a previous poster has suggested, we 'get behind him'...not a chance. He's a very lucky man. Judging by the negs I've received, there are many on here that think his behaviour is acceptable and wouldn't bat an eye if he had subjected their own daughter (if his gf) to the same humiliation....very odd.

Additionally, before folk start blowing DA and referring to him as a shrewd businessman...have a think about the mess we are in.

Anyway, it's done with. I'll leave others to the adoration and false idol worship of a guy with very questionable morals, just because he kicks a football around.

[Tha Knows...]

Westbars Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

What have I said that's wrong?

At no point has she said in court that he raped her. If she had he would be a convicted rapist still today.

If the evidence supported it presumably

[Tha Knows...]

Misnomer, on 14 October 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

All I can say is I've worked with a lot of footballers and I know exactly how they operate; not many on here can say that they have had regular contact with professional footballers, I think it's just me and CPS, from recollection. I found it quite astonishing that the defence was allowed to utilise a witness who had previously slept with the victim, yet Evans' previous exploits could not be submitted...bizarre. If folk think he's a changed man, they are deluded. And, as a previous poster has suggested, we 'get behind him'...not a chance. He's a very lucky man. Judging by the negs I've received, there are many on here that think his behaviour is acceptable and wouldn't bat an eye if he had subjected their own daughter (if his gf) to the same humiliation....very odd.

Additionally, before folk start blowing DA and referring to him as a shrewd businessman...have a think about the mess we are in.

Anyway, it's done with. I'll leave others to the adoration and false idol worship of a guy with very questionable morals, just because he kicks a football around.

Previous exploits??

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Westbars Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

What have I said that's wrong?

At no point has she said in court that he raped her. If she had he would be a convicted rapist still today.

She pursued a charge of rape against her person. She's the complainant.

She doesn't have to say he raped her in court, it's assumed because she has pursued a charge of rape against her person by Evans. This comes before the CPS are even involved. YOU decide if you wish to press charges. It really is that simple.

And he wouldn't be a convicted rapist if she'd delivered witness testimony claiming he was a rapist. No idea how you come to that conclusion at all.

This post has been edited by KevinArnottsGoldenBoot: 14 October 2016 - 05:41 PM

[Tha Knows...]

Interesting generalisation on footballers btw Misnomer. Guess you like your stereotypes and pre conceived opinions of people set in stone

This post has been edited by Spire-Power: 14 October 2016 - 05:45 PM

[ELTON 2020]

Misnomer, on 14 October 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

All I can say is I've worked with a lot of footballers and I know exactly how they operate; not many on here can say that they have had regular contact with professional footballers, I think it's just me and CPS, from recollection. I found it quite astonishing that the defence was allowed to utilise a witness who had previously slept with the victim, yet Evans' previous exploits could not be submitted...bizarre. If folk think he's a changed man, they are deluded. And, as a previous poster has suggested, we 'get behind him'...not a chance. He's a very lucky man. Judging by the negs I've received, there are many on here that think his behaviour is acceptable and wouldn't bat an eye if he had subjected their own daughter (if his gf) to the same humiliation....very odd.

Additionally, before folk start blowing DA and referring to him as a shrewd businessman...have a think about the mess we are in.

Anyway, it's done with. I'll leave others to the adoration and false idol worship of a guy with very questionable morals, just because he kicks a football around.

How tedious

[Westbars Spireite]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 14 October 2016 - 05:41 PM, said:

She pursued a charge of rape against her person. She's the complainant.

She doesn't have to say he raped her in court, it's assumed because she has pursued a charge of rape against her person by Evans. This comes before the CPS are even involved. YOU decide if you wish to press charges. It really is that simple.

And he wouldn't be a convicted rapist if she'd delivered witness testimony claiming he was a rapist. No idea how you come to that conclusion at all.

You don't think she was railroaded by people with an agenda wishing to see someone made an example of? The daft girl went to report a lost bag and ends up with all this nonsense still going on years later

The sentence makes perfect sense. If, first time around in court she'd categorically stated he HAD raped her, she HADN'T consented etc etc there would have been no retrial and he wouldn't have become a CFC player.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 14 October 2016 - 05:47 PM

[Toddhopper.]

Angel Is A Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:11 PM, said:

Ouch, how am I going to sleep tonight after being called misogynistic?

Well is the answer.

I'm sick of seeing some woman pursue men for sexual assault in the courts when its obviously utter rubbish. Its happened with Ched Evans, Cliff Richard, even Bill Clinton among lots of others! It can ruin lives and reputations, yet the women who do it get off without a word said.

F**k me, Jimmy Savile would've loved you.

[AllTownArentWe]

Whatever you think of Dave Allen and Chris Turner, they took a massive gamble and its paid off.

Credit to them.

[Westbars Spireite]

Angel Is A Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Whatever you think of Dave Allen and Chris Turner, they took a massive gamble and its paid off.

Credit to them.

I wouldn't go that far.

[AllTownArentWe]

Toddhopper., on 14 October 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

F**k me, Jimmy Savile would've loved you.

Jimmy Savile wasn't innocent though was he?

He was an evil child molester and a rapist.

This post has been edited by Angel Is A Spireite: 14 October 2016 - 05:50 PM

[Toddhopper.]

Angel Is A Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:49 PM, said:

Jimmy Savile wasn't innocent though was he?

He was an evil child molester and rapist.

And your attitude is what has protected so many guilty people for centuries. Goku is right, you are a mysoginistic fool.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Westbars Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

You don't think she was railroaded by people with an agenda wishing to see someone made an example of? The daft girl went to report a lost bag and ends up with all this nonsense still going on years later.

At CPS level certainly. Encouraged by a media with the same agenda.

Whether she was encouraged by the police at the initial stage when she chose to press charges, or pushed for them to be pressed herself is a different matter. We are unlikely to find that out.

But there is no question that she pursued the case initially by pressing charges.

* And your sentence made no sense. He was found guilty of rape. The conviction was overturned and then he was found not guilty. Whether she gave testimony or not makes not one iota of difference.

This post has been edited by KevinArnottsGoldenBoot: 14 October 2016 - 05:54 PM

[AllTownArentWe]

Toddhopper., on 14 October 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

And your attitude is what has protected so many guilty people for centuries. Goku is right, you are a mysoginistic fool.

Go spout your lefty claptrap somewhere else.

[Westbars Spireite]

KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 14 October 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

At CPS level certainly. Encouraged by a media with the same agenda.

Whether she was encouraged by the police at the initial stage when she chose to press charges, or pushed for them to be pressed herself is a different matter. We are unlikely to find that out.

But there is no question that she pursued the case initially by pressing charges.

Given she went to report a lost bag you can make your own mind up about that. You can almost imagine the glee on the PC's faces when they realised what they could do here.

[Wooden Spoon]

Angel Is A Spireite said:

1476465067[/url]' post='1247376']
Ouch, how am I going to sleep tonight after being called misogynistic?

Well is the answer.

I'm sick of seeing some woman pursue men for sexual assault in the courts when its obviously utter rubbish. Its happened with Ched Evans, Cliff Richard, even Bill Clinton among lots of others! It can ruin lives and reputations, yet the women who do it get off without a word said.

What a Despicable post.

Thousands of females have to live with the psychological effects of rape. The shame, the humiliation, the trauma.

On top of that they know that there is less than. a 10% chance of securing a conviction, they know that going to court they will be subjected to abuse and character assassination- after all, prove she's a slag or was dressed like a tart at time and people like you howl indignation and accuse them of crying rape.

Even then, a "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean a woman cried rape, it means the accused was not found guilty.

Two utterly different things that your limited intellect clearly can't differentiate between

You are a waste of oxygen.

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 14 October 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

You don't think she was railroaded by people with an agenda wishing to see someone made an example of? The daft girl went to report a lost bag and ends up with all this nonsense still going on years later

The sentence makes perfect sense. If, first time around in court she'd categorically stated he HAD raped her, she HADN'T consented etc etc there would have been no retrial and he wouldn't have become a CFC player.

Again you are correct, the complainant is the person who made the original statement to the police and we should all know what was in it by now.

The CPS can run with a case if they feel it is in the public interest, no matter what the complainant wishes are because they are supposed to represent the public not the complainant.