[frearsghost]

....is due to begin in season 2019-20. The Daily Telegraph is reporting Celtic and Rangers will be invited to submit a team. Greg Dyke's brainchild I'm told. The clubs are expected to roll over - after compensation for reduced fixtures - and the fans are not likely to be consulted.

Tomorrow's 'game' against Wolves Academy could well become a league fixture some time in the future.

I hope tomorrow's nationwide boycott is a success. It may still be football but not as we know it.

P.S. Just discovered an extra point will be awarded for winning a penalty shoot-out. Give me strength.

[moondog]

It's known as the "whole game solution" five divisions of 20 teams to be voted on at next summer football league (EFL) AGM. Clubs losing eight fixtures is beyond a joke, not to mention four less places in the Championship (2nd division)

[Tha Knows...]

I'm not sure what it would take to stop me going to games. There must be a limit but I don't know what it is yet.

[gordon_brittas]

Absolutely disgraceful if true.

A lot of smaller league, and some ex-league clubs will go to the wall over this. Can you imagine how difficult this will make clubs who are trying to get into the football league when they are coming up against reserve sides and scottish league clubs. Wrexham, Lincoln, Chester et al who are proper football clubs will seem destined to remain trapped in non-league, whereby, Manchester City B side or Everton B side, take there place.

The real problem is the amount of foreign players in the Premier League and Championship. Introduce a cap and set a limit of home-grown English players who must appear in the starting 11 of these sides and we may, just may, start to become competitive again on the international scene.

Wont happen as money talks...

[Webster]

moondog, on 29 August 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

It's known as the "whole game solution" five divisions of 20 teams to be voted on at next summer football league (EFL) AGM. Clubs losing eight fixtures is beyond a joke, not to mention four less places in the Championship (2nd division)

http://www.telegraph...gers-for-inclu/

[Westbars Spireite]

This could stop me bothering altogether.

[moondog]

What can possibly be the argument for clubs losing the revenue of four home games every season and fans losing out on so much of their football

[jonnythespireite]

frearsghost, on 29 August 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

....is due to begin in season 2019-20. The Daily Telegraph is reporting Celtic and Rangers will be invited to submit a team. Greg Dyke's brainchild I'm told. The clubs are expected to roll over - after compensation for reduced fixtures - and the fans are not likely to be consulted.

Tomorrow's 'game' against Wolves Academy could well become a league fixture some time in the future.

I hope tomorrow's nationwide boycott is a success. It may still be football but not as we know it.

P.S. Just discovered an extra point will be awarded for winning a penalty shoot-out. Give me strength.

This would probably see me pack it all in and after family CFC come first for me. Supporters going tomorrow to 'support their team' need to see the wood for the trees.

[Spireite-Karl]

Webster, on 29 August 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

http://www.telegraph...gers-for-inclu/

Looks a superb idea to me!


... If you have a look at the link and what the new structed leagues could look like, there's no Mansfield, so it's not all bad

[dtp]

moondog, on 29 August 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

What can possibly be the argument for clubs losing the revenue of four home brings every season and fans losing out on so much of their football

Could only work if clubs are duly compensated with more money from above.

If playing less games might need less players and, thus, a smaller budget.

As far as fans are concerned season ticket prices should be cheaper as there will be less matches to attend.

Seasons could be shortened meaning the facilities could be made available for other uses.

Personally, I don't like the idea at all. Neither do I like the seasons starting as early as they now do - I see no reason for this at our level and, again, I think it costs clubs money - the premiership kick off later so why can't the smaller clubs?

[moondog]

dtp, on 29 August 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Could only work if clubs are duly compensated with more money from above.

If playing less games might need less players and, thus, a smaller budget.

As far as fans are concerned season ticket prices should be cheaper as there will be less matches to attend.

Seasons could be shortened meaning the facilities could be made available for other uses.

Personally, I don't like the idea at all. Neither do I like the seasons starting as early as they now do - I see no reason for this at our level and, again, I think it costs clubs money - the premiership kick off later so why can't the smaller clubs?

You can't get a better use of facilities than matches

Don't expect a change to season start dates, more like a winter break, crazy with our unpredictable weather.

The worry is clubs will be bribed to vote it through

[Webster]

Spireite-Karl, on 29 August 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Looks a superb idea to me!


... If you have a look at the link and what the new structed leagues could look like, there's no Mansfield, so it's not all bad

Suggest you look again in the example from last season same league as us

[spireitesteve]

If this is true then it is going to get interesting with our friends in Glasgow.

Both Rangers and Celtic are desperate to get their feet in the premier league , The SPL is no better than league 1 in my opinion so I should imagine both clubs pulling out all the stops to progress in a revamped English league.

I can see a scenario where Rangers and Celtic are fielding full strength teams in our leagues while putting out a second team in the SPL which should still be good enough to get them a place in Europe.

If the EFL want to make five divisions then lets have the conference ( or whatever its called nowadays ) in. They would be most welcome in most fans opinions I believe.

Those of you going tomorrow night to the revamped Johnstones paint trophy give the boys a cheer from me.

[Spireite-Karl]

Webster, on 29 August 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

Suggest you look again in the example from last season same league as us

I'm with everyone else then, it's a stupid idea


.. Though by 2019 we might look at this very differently as we could be needing this to regain our league status

[jonnythespireite]

spireitesteve, on 29 August 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

If this is true then it is going to get interesting with our friends in Glasgow.

Both Rangers and Celtic are desperate to get their feet in the premier league , The SPL is no better than league 1 in my opinion so I should imagine both clubs pulling out all the stops to progress in a revamped English league.

I can see a scenario where Rangers and Celtic are fielding full strength teams in our leagues while putting out a second team in the SPL which should still be good enough to get them a place in Europe.

If the EFL want to make five divisions then lets have the conference ( or whatever its called nowadays ) in. They would be most welcome in most fans opinions I believe.

Those of you going tomorrow night to the revamped Johnstones paint trophy give the boys a cheer from me.

Could they compete in two domestic leagues as one club? I doubt it very much. Why would the Scottish FA even consider allowing it if the Old Firms long term aim was to pursue the premier league billions?
Take geographical closeness out of it. It's no different to say Ajax or PSG seeking to play in an English league.

[Tha Knows...]

gordon_brittas, on 29 August 2016 - 07:12 PM, said:

Absolutely disgraceful if true.

A lot of smaller league, and some ex-league clubs will go to the wall over this. Can you imagine how difficult this will make clubs who are trying to get into the football league when they are coming up against reserve sides and scottish league clubs. Wrexham, Lincoln, Chester et al who are proper football clubs will seem destined to remain trapped in non-league, whereby, Manchester City B side or Everton B side, take there place.

The real problem is the amount of foreign players in the Premier League and Championship. Introduce a cap and set a limit of home-grown English players who must appear in the starting 11 of these sides and we may, just may, start to become competitive again on the international scene.

Wont happen as money talks...

IT'S a good idea but is a cap on foreign players appearing in EPL teams legal? If not maybe Brexit would change that lol

[Tylerdurdencfc]

By 2019 at this rate I will have totally lost interest with football although. It used to be the working mans game, now it's money orientated business turning clubs into multinational corporations.

The spirit of football has been totally lost in the past twenty years since the formation of the premier league. The more these people like Harvey (or whatever his name is) are involved in football at the top level the worse it will get.

England will never be any good regardless of what they do (or whatever bull ideas they come up with) as there is too much money and greed now.

Youngsters at these top clubs are paid way to much money at a young age and have no concept of hard grift anymore. Kids as young as 11 are having houses bought for them in order to join a clubs top academy in the hope they are the next big thing.

No academy player at a top club has to clean a senior pros boots anymore, Ian Wright on 606 found that staggering when he brought that to the fore on one debate.

A player from the school I work at went to Newcastle United and was on 10k a week five year contract, unbelievable.


If the senior figures running football want England to succeed rather than messing the leagues up, introducing b teams/under 21s/ under 23s then they need to get back to basics.

My proposal would be:

Leave the leagues as they are.
Limit the number of foreigners to a set amount at each team.
No professional club to be allowed to have an academy team under the age of 14 ( this will allow youngsters to play local football for fun)

Premier league teams to only have a maximum of 30 under 18 academy players (none of which can be foreign). This will allow them to pick the best 30 players, it will then allow other teams in the lower leagues to have access to other players who don't make it rather than these players competiting with hundreds of players at premier league clubs and being put on the scrap heap. The players then will be able to be at lower clubs academies and potentially earn big money for lower clubs if they actually become quality players.

All academy players to have education training schemes and have a maximum wage of £250 a week from 16 until they are aged 18 whilst in full time education on an apprentiship scheme. All academy players as part of this scheme to clean boots, changing rooms and wash their own kit. ( life skills rather than being pampered, might bring a few down-to-earth). Hopefully this will give them ambition to make it and realise the world is hard graft and determination is what is needed.

This post has been edited by Tylerdurdencfc: 29 August 2016 - 08:57 PM

[jonnythespireite]

Tylerdurdencfc, on 29 August 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

By 2019 at this rate I will have totally lost interest with football although. It used to be the working mans game, now it's money orientated business turning clubs in multinational corporations.

The spirit of football has been totally lost in the past twenty years since the formation of the premier league. The more these people like Harvey (or whatever his name is) are involved in football at the top level the worse it will get.

England will never be any good regardless of what they do (or whatever bull ideas they come up with) as there is too much money and greed now.

Youngsters at these top clubs are paid way to much money at a young age and have no concept of hard grift anymore. Kids as young as 11 are having houses bought for them in order to join a clubs top academy in the hope they are the next big thing.

No academy player at a top club has to clean a senior pros boots anymore, Ian Wright on 606 found that staggering when he brought that to the fore on one debate.

A player from the school I work at went to Newcastle United and was on 10k a week five year contract, unbelievable.


If the senior figures running football want England to succeed rather than messing the leagues up, introducing b teams/under 21s/ under 23s then they need to get back to basics.

My proposal would be:

Leave the leagues as they are.
Limit the number of foreigners to a set amount at each team.
No professional club to be allowed to have an academy team under the age of 14 ( this will allow youngsters to play local football for fun)

Premier league teams to only have a maximum of 30 under 18 academy players (none of which can be foreign). This will allow them to pick the best 30 players, it will then allow other teams in the lower leagues to have access to other players who don't make it rather than these players competiting with hundreds of players at premier league clubs and being put on the scrap heap. The players then will be able to be at lower clubs academies and potentially earn big money for lower clubs if they actually become quality players.

All academy players to have education training schemes and have a maximum wage of £250 a week from 16 until they are aged 18 whilst in full time education on an apprentiship scheme. All academy players as part of this scheme to clean boots, changing rooms and wash their own kit. ( life skills rather than being pampered, might bring a few down-to-earth). He fully this will give them ambition to make it and realise the world is hard graft and determination is what is needed.

Very sensible proposals. Won't happen. Too much money at stake.

[Tha Knows...]

Some of this may be against EU law. As for young English players being over paid spoilt etc is it much different abroad?

[Tylerdurdencfc]

Spire-Power, on 29 August 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

Some of this may be against EU law. As for young English players being over paid spoilt etc is it much different abroad?

We won't be subject to EU law by 2019, I very much doubt kids at German academies will be the money kids are on in the premier league.

This post has been edited by Tylerdurdencfc: 29 August 2016 - 09:00 PM