[Bonnyman]

Is it me , but why should Wayne Rooney and other senior players be consulted on the next manager? Evidently they are unimpressed by the quality of candidates, well im unimpressed by the quality of players in tournament football, would it not be better if players concentrated on their tecniques or actually studied opponents instead of letting the country down every 2 years.

[Comeonyouirons]

Bonnyman, on 01 July 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

Is it me , but why should Wayne Rooney and other senior players be consulted on the next manager? Evidently they are unimpressed by the quality of candidates, well im unimpressed by the quality of players in tournament football, would it not be better if players concentrated on their tecniques or actually studied opponents instead of letting the country down every 2 years.

Nail......on head

The only way this will work is IF the F A listen to the players , take their suggestions , and use it as a vehicle to completely discount every single candidate the players
come up with

[Spireite-Karl]

Comeonyouirons, on 01 July 2016 - 04:06 PM, said:

Nail......on head

The only way this will work is IF the F A listen to the players , take their suggestions , and use it as a vehicle to completely discount every single candidate the players
come up with

Like it!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Bonnyman, on 01 July 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

Is it me , but why should Wayne Rooney and other senior players be consulted on the next manager? Evidently they are unimpressed by the quality of candidates, well im unimpressed by the quality of players in tournament football, would it not be better if players concentrated on their tecniques or actually studied opponents instead of letting the country down every 2 years.

I was told that when Lee Richardson got the Town job the dressing room gave him a round of applause.

That ended well, didn't it.

Seems to me the trio entrusted with making this decision are passing the buck, so to speak.

[SpireiteFitzy]

90% of those players should never be allowed near an England shirt again, let alone be choosing the next manager.

[Valley Blues]

Bonnyman, on 01 July 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

Is it me , but why should Wayne Rooney and other senior players be consulted on the next manager? Evidently they are unimpressed by the quality of candidates, well im unimpressed by the quality of players in tournament football, would it not be better if players concentrated on their tecniques or actually studied opponents instead of letting the country down every 2 years.

Quite right Bonny. What we need is a strong minded character that won't allow these self-important, underperforming clowns to rule the roost. I would like to see someone come in that is willing to, and allowed to, rustle a few feathers and upset the apple cart a bit. We are all sick and tired of seeing the same old dross served up by the same old failures.
It's quite obvious that the senior players will want either mates or individuals they can walk all over.

Regarding the players being unimpressed by the quality of candidates, why? Because these candidates haven't won anything or been successful at international level?? I'm thinking a touch of hypocrisy may have crept in and a long hard look in the mirror is required from some of our 'stars'.

[Mr Mercury]

SpireiteFitzy, on 01 July 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

90% of those players should never be allowed near an England shirt again, let alone be choosing the next manager.

It beggars belief doesn't it?

[Westbars Spireite]

MDCCCLXVI, on 01 July 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

I was told that when Lee Richardson got the Town job the dressing room gave him a round of applause.

That ended well, didn't it.

Seems to me the trio entrusted with making this decision are passing the buck, so to speak.

They probably realised they had someone else to blame.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Valley Blues, on 01 July 2016 - 06:02 PM, said:

Quite right Bonny. What we need is a strong minded character that won't allow these self-important, underperforming clowns to rule the roost. I would like to see someone come in that is willing to, and allowed to, rustle a few feathers and upset the apple cart a bit. We are all sick and tired of seeing the same old dross served up by the same old failures.
It's quite obvious that the senior players will want either mates or individuals they can walk all over.

Regarding the players being unimpressed by the quality of candidates, why? Because these candidates haven't won anything or been successful at international level?? I'm thinking a touch of hypocrisy may have crept in and a long hard look in the mirror is required from some of our 'stars'.

Y'mean like, oooh, I dunno; a Fabio Capello?

We've had a disciplinarian like him; we've had the gentlemanly, experienced yet totally uninspiring Hodgson; we've had Steve McLaren referring to his players as 'Stevie G' and 'JT'; we've had a Swede who spent as much time in the gossip 'zines as his charges; we've had the passionate but clueless Keegan and we've had Hoddle, who though a clearly talented coach had the man-management skills of Brian Glover in 'Kes'.

And we've had a succession of 'root and branch' enquiries that've concluded there're not enough quality coaches at every level, not enough opportunities for our youngsters and the whole structure of our game just isn't conducive to international football.

Yet nothing...ever...changes.

Having teenagers cleaning bogs and boots instead of thinking they've 'arrived' before they've even won a trophy would be a start. It's about time they realised the only bling that really matters resides inside a trophy cabinet.

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 01 July 2016 - 06:32 PM

[Valley Blues]

MDCCCLXVI, on 01 July 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:

Y'mean like, oooh, I dunno; a Fabio Capello?

We've had a disciplinarian like him; we've had the gentlemanly, experienced yet totally uninspiring Hodgson; we've had Steve McLaren referring to his players as 'Stevie G' and 'JT'; we've had a Swede who spent as much time in the gossip 'zines as his charges; we've had the passionate but clueless Keegan and we've had Hoddle, who though a clearly talented coach had the man-management skills of Brian Glover in 'Kes'.

And we've had a succession of 'root and branch' enquiries that've concluded there're not enough quality coaches at every level, not enough opportunities for our youngsters and the whole structure of our game just isn't conducive to international football.

Yet nothing...ever...changes.

Having teenagers cleaning bogs and boots instead of thinking they've 'arrived' before they've even won a trophy would be a start. It's about time they realised the only bling that really matters resides inside a trophy cabinet.

There's nothing wrong with the disciplinarian approach. It worked at Manchester United domestically for a number of years. The difference is that Sir Alex had the support of his employers whereas, point in question, the FA seem hell bent on letting the players call the shots.

[Mr Mercury]

Valley Blues, on 01 July 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

There's nothing wrong with the disciplinarian approach. It worked at Manchester United domestically for a number of years. The difference is that Sir Alex had the support of his employers whereas, point in question, the FA seem hell bent on letting the players call the shots.

Exactly, the FA had the right man in Capello, but the wrong squad of totally inept prima Donna ass holes ruling the roost under him.

[HistoricWarwick]

How about the next England manager being banned from picking Premiership players because the ones we have are paid enough to not care a jot.

To them it is a few weeks in a 5 star hotel and time to catch up with the latest new tunes.

Apparently they were invited to go to a war memorial whilst in Chantilly and nobody wanted to go...

The hammers are good at pointing out if a player isn't fit to wear the shirt - they should enjoy this season.

[Stockholm Spireite]

This is like Turkeys voting against Christmas.

Gary Neville - somehow - was listed as a contender. Imagine the future process with the captain involved...

Rooney: Ere Gaz, you'd pick me for England, wouldn't you?
Neville: Yeah Wazza, sure.
Rooney: And I can still be captain?
Neville: Absolutely.

Rooney calls the FA and says he's backing GNev from hereon in

Treble pink gins all round and another all expenses paid jolly for the 3 wise monkeys. Qualification from a mediocre group, higher than need be expectations, capitulation in competition accompanied by jingoistic xenophobia and mass disappointment, sacking/ resignation, navel-gazing, and repeat...

Cynial - moi?

[Valley Blues]

I saw a piece earlier regarding the Italian team. By all accounts this is the worst side they've had since God was a lad. Well they've looked pretty OK to me. One thing that was repeatedly mentioned was Conte's firm control and task master approach. He is disciplined and is getting the maximum out of his players. He picks his best team and not his best XI players. His players seem to respect him and buy into the disciplinarian approach. There's a lot to be said about a bit of discipline, I suppose. Can't see Sturridge, Wilshere and co buying into it though.

[Mr Mercury]

Valley Blues, on 01 July 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

I saw a piece earlier regarding the Italian team. By all accounts this is the worst side they've had since God was a lad. Well they've looked pretty OK to me. One thing that was repeatedly mentioned was Conte's firm control and task master approach. He is disciplined and is getting the maximum out of his players. He picks his best team and not his best XI players. His players seem to respect him and buy into the disciplinarian approach. There's a lot to be said about a bit of discipline, I suppose. Can't see Sturridge, Wilshere and co buying into it though.

If they don't buy into it don't pick them..it's too far gone when even the FA are in the pockets of the top earners, sorry players.

[Valley Blues]

Mr Mercury, on 01 July 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

If they don't buy into it don't pick them..it's too far gone when even the FA are in the pockets of the top earners, sorry players.

We're on the same page on this one.

[satnav]

Whilst I certainly wouldn't let the players pick the next manager it is probably worth talking with the players to see exactly what qualities the next managers should possess. Surely motivation should not be a factor because any player who puts on an England shirt should be fully motivated to give 110% for his team. So really it must be down to a managers tactical awareness. When Roy chopped and changed his teams around it looked like the changes were motivated by the desire to give players a rest rather than an attempt to put out a team specifically chosen to deal with threats that a particular opponent might pose.

Players need to be confident that the manager has clear tactics for every game and that all changes are deliberate/tactical

[Stoptalkingbol]

The players at the top are untouchable and know it. The last time we had a proper disciplinarian in, Capello, they got him sacked and slagged him off in the press after he'd gone for daring to have discipline and tell them what to do. They're a pathetic set of mercenaries who will never knuckle down when the going gets tough as they're not used to it. Pampering and riches come to all these players before they have even achieved anything in the game, earning tens of thousands just based on potential alone. They're all a set of spineless skin canoes who your average fan has lost touch with.

[Doughnut]

Stoptalkingbol, on 02 July 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

The players at the top are untouchable and know it. The last time we had a proper disciplinarian in, Capello, they got him sacked and slagged him off in the press after he'd gone for daring to have discipline and tell them what to do. They're a pathetic set of mercenaries who will never knuckle down when the going gets tough as they're not used to it. Pampering and riches come to all these players before they have even achieved anything in the game, earning tens of thousands just based on potential alone. They're all a set of spineless skin canoes who your average fan has lost touch with.

You really need to get off that fence

[Waller is my hero]

The thing that's ruined English football is one thing & one thing only.........MONEY!! Players on ridiculous amounts of money...at 20-25 years old...a privilege is given to them on a plate & not earnt....how many English managers are there in the premier league?? Decent ones!! 75% of premier league teams are made up of foreign players....how many true English superstars are there?? None!!

Thierry Henry was right on the first episode of the Euros when he said a team with togetherness, team spirit will win the tournament.......Italy v Wales final

England should take note how these teams conduct themselves & how they are managed....look at Coleman, it's like he's made all that team best friends...it's awesome.

Unfortunately we will pay someone £5m a year & lead us to another disaster.....you can't manage over inflated egos...that every player playing for England has!! Drop the egotistical players & pick championship players!!!

This post has been edited by Waller is my hero: 02 July 2016 - 09:06 AM