[ELTON 2020]

whittman, on 12 March 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

Hearing that is unbelieveable. The referee has either got to go to specsavers or be forced to take a lie detector test. Along with his two cohorts on the line

Brilliant - of course he saw it. I've been watching footy for 35 years and NEVER seen anything like that . Disgraceful behaviour which needs reporting

[firedodger]

I don't normally moan about a refs, but some of his actions today were utterly indefensible. How the officials see enough through a ruck of a dozen or so players to warrant sending donohue off, yet they fail to see four or five Walsall players dragging Hird off the pitch, beggars belief. Really really poor.
When Novak got booked I understood his frustration, mantom quite plainly went down rolling around trying to get somebody booked, the ref told him to get up there was knack all wrong with him, it was blatant simulation and the ref never booked him, I get why Novak lost it at that point.

All that said they were better than us in every department today.

[Valley Blues]

Let's just forget Walsall for a minute. Did Donahue deserve to be sent off?? From my vantage point I immediately felt he was in trouble and was not surprised to see a red. Hopefully the footage will bring a few others ( in red ) into the mix but I think we need to make sure our own house is in order prior to commenting on others.

[Valley Blues]

firedodger, on 13 March 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

I don't normally moan about a refs, but some of his actions today were utterly indefensible. How the officials see enough through a ruck of a dozen or so players to warrant sending donohue off, yet they fail to see four or five Walsall players dragging Hird off the pitch, beggars belief. Really really poor.
When Novak got booked I understood his frustration, mantom quite plainly went down rolling around trying to get somebody booked, the ref told him to get up there was knack all wrong with him, it was blatant simulation and the ref never booked him, I get why Novak lost it at that point.

All that said they were better than us in every department today.

When Mantom went down under a challenge with no foul given, why did the ref stop play??

[firedodger]

Valley Blues, on 13 March 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

When Mantom went down under a challenge with no foul given, why did the ref stop play??

I assume it was to allow treatment for the near fatally wounded mantom, who then received a miracle cure and walked again. The ref cocked that up very very badly

[ELTON 2020]

firedodger, on 13 March 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

I assume it was to allow treatment for the near fatally wounded mantom, who then received a miracle cure and walked again. The ref cocked that up very very badly

.....i'll put that in the book!!

[Jud]

I notice nobody is complaining about the result here which speaks volumes. Rarely does a team win 4-1 by accident. So fair play...we were poor to say the least. BUT...I've never seen anything quite like Walsall celebrating that goal before. They surrounded Hird and dragged him off the pitch like he was a trophy they wanted to scalp. I respect the red card, despite having seen no evidence for it...the ref was closer than I. In which case, why didn't he see the cause of the ruckus and apply suitable cards? Poor, both the celebration and the ensuing inaction.

[clarevoyant.]

Elton John 1866, on 12 March 2016 - 11:59 PM, said:

Brilliant - of course he saw it. I've been watching footy for 35 years and NEVER seen anything like that . Disgraceful behaviour which needs reporting

I didn't see it either!

[eddymelt]

jack bauer, on 12 March 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

the more I watch it, the more ridiculous I find it that they were allowed to do this, if they are not retrospectively punished for this, the footballing authorities are saying that it is acceptable to celebrate a goal by collectively manouvering an opponent towards their fans.

Basically, they manipulated the situation after they'd scored and gone ahead, to ensure they kept their lead by getting one of our players sent off. Now, I'm not saying we were better etc etc. For that second goal they were patient with the build up, and probed until the opening appeared and it was all too easy, so rapedt for that.

After they'd scored though, FOUR of their players "herded" Hird, who tried to turn away many-a-time before reacting, and the cumulative effect got everyone else involved, and Walsall got the result they wanted b getting a man sent off etc etc.....

[Bonnyman]

Good on Donohue,pity he was not wielding a baseball bat to cave all the wallsall players heads in,never in all my days have I ever seen a more disgraceful celebration than that utterly despicable behaviour that warrants a massive fine for Walsall...next time it happens Dion make sure you knock em cold.

[Valley Blues]

Jud, on 13 March 2016 - 02:51 AM, said:

I notice nobody is complaining about the result here which speaks volumes. Rarely does a team win 4-1 by accident. So fair play...we were poor to say the least. BUT...I've never seen anything quite like Walsall celebrating that goal before. They surrounded Hird and dragged him off the pitch like he was a trophy they wanted to scalp. I respect the red card, despite having seen no evidence for it...the ref was closer than I. In which case, why didn't he see the cause of the ruckus and apply suitable cards? Poor, both the celebration and the ensuing inaction.

I think it was the Lino that gave the evidence, as such, for the red. He was no more than ten yards from the melee. What he saw, I'm not sure, but it definitely came from him.

[sophocles]

Valley Blues, on 13 March 2016 - 12:18 AM, said:

Let's just forget Walsall for a minute. Did Donahue deserve to be sent off?? From my vantage point I immediately felt he was in trouble and was not surprised to see a red. Hopefully the footage will bring a few others ( in red ) into the mix but I think we need to make sure our own house is in order prior to commenting on others.

I don't think he deserved red at all. At least 5 of their players charged into our players with raised arms pushing them into the away end. If our players raised their arms and shoved back it was purely self defence. The red should be rescinded and Walsall fined.

[Jud]

Valley Blues, on 13 March 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

I think it was the Lino that gave the evidence, as such, for the red. He was no more than ten yards from the melee. What he saw, I'm not sure, but it definitely came from him.

Ah, thanks man. That makes more sense. Plus, it allows me to share my disgust out three ways.

[Valley Blues]

sophocles, on 13 March 2016 - 09:53 AM, said:

I don't think he deserved red at all. At least 5 of their players charged into our players with raised arms pushing them into the away end. If our players raised their arms and shoved back it was purely self defence. The red should be rescinded and Walsall fined.

I'm not sure about the red to be honest. I don't think any of us saw exactly what went off as there was too much happening and we were too far away. The thing I saw was that the part of the incident surrounding Donahue, the anti seemed to go up a bit. I'm not sure what happened but I immediately thought he could be in trouble. Hopefully it will 'all come out in the wash' as they say.

[dtp]

jack bauer, on 12 March 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

totally agree, if you look at it initially they run away to celebrate the for some unknown reason collectively run at Hird and drag him off the pitch and oh get away with it

Could that have been because they could see the referee wasn't looking so they tried to get one of ours sent off for retaliation?

Must say it worked - have they celebrated goals like that before?

[dtp]

Valley Blues, on 13 March 2016 - 12:18 AM, said:

Let's just forget Walsall for a minute. Did Donahue deserve to be sent off?? From my vantage point I immediately felt he was in trouble and was not surprised to see a red. Hopefully the footage will bring a few others ( in red ) into the mix but I think we need to make sure our own house is in order prior to commenting on others.

Let's just forget the boys in blue for a minute - how many of their players should have got a red card - 1,2,3 or 4?

Anything over "zero" makes it a decision that could have changed the game.

Simple as.

firedodger, on 13 March 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

I assume it was to allow treatment for the near fatally wounded mantom, who then received a miracle cure and walked again. The ref cocked that up very very badly

Thought it was Bradshaw but I might have been wrong.

Anyway, shouldn't the ref only have stopped play if it was a head injury?

[BlueRover52]

jack bauer, on 12 March 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

the more I watch it, the more ridiculous I find it that they were allowed to do this, if they are not retrospectively punished for this, the footballing authorities are saying that it is acceptable to celebrate a goal by collectively manouvering an opponent towards their fans.

Nobody will take any action unless there is a complaint.Surely that it is up to the club to put forward.Lets hope they do.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 13 March 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Thought it was Bradshaw but I might have been wrong.

Anyway, shouldn't the ref only have stopped play if it was a head injury?

I thought it was Bradshaw too.
When he stood up, after getting what he wanted, he should have been booked immediately for simulation. Terrible decision to stop play.

[BlueRover52]

60s 70s Spireite, on 13 March 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

I thought it was Bradshaw too.
When he stood up, after getting what he wanted, he should have been booked immediately for simulation. Terrible decision to stop play.

It was Bradshaw who stopped down after a tackle.No head injury so for me no need to stop the game.If the ref was so concerned he should have instructed the ball to be played out,isn't that the way things are done?Novak certainly thought so and somewhat unfair to get booked for pointing out to the ref his misjudgement.

[BlueRover52]

sophocles, on 13 March 2016 - 09:53 AM, said:

I don't think he deserved red at all. At least 5 of their players charged into our players with raised arms pushing them into the away end. If our players raised their arms and shoved back it was purely self defence. The red should be rescinded and Walsall fined.

I'd like to think so but doubt it.Yes the Walsall yob players deserve some retrospective punishment but I'm afraid Dion would be very lucky to get his red rescinded for what you could gleam from the camera evidence.