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Do We Really Want To Be Associated With This Questionable Enterprise.

#5041 User is offline   SpireiteFitzy 

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 10:51 AM

View PostBlue5, on 27 September 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

I hear Liam Sutcliffe has left FBT and gone solo.

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That website looks like it has been developed by a 5 year old. It's so bad grammatically as well, although I guess you could just say the website is about as professional as the guy running the company.

The fact he has been allowed anywhere near another footballing venture speaks to just how crooked the world of football can be.
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Posted 27 September 2019 - 12:25 PM

View PostLooker-on, on 27 September 2019 - 10:23 AM, said:

It would appear that the whole, loss-making FBT Academy has gone south, and Sutcliffe with it. How many loss-making academies is that, now? Rotherham's, ours (that wasn't ours, but you know...) the International Academy and FBT? Although registered to an office of convenience in London the operation seems rooted in West Yorkshire. The website is of course a shocker; not even Bingo's mate at Wolf Enterprises would put his name to that. Bizarrely, bits of it seem to have been copied & pasted from a Californian summer camp for kids. The twitter feed has an impressive 1,040 followers, which I think you can purchase for around a couple of hundred quid.

I did have to laugh when I typed the company's registered address into Google and the first result was: https://www.gov.uk/g...nto-liquidation
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Posted 27 September 2019 - 12:39 PM

View PostSpireiteFitzy, on 27 September 2019 - 10:51 AM, said:

That website looks like it has been developed by a 5 year old. It's so bad grammatically as well, although I guess you could just say the website is about as professional as the guy running the company.

The fact he has been allowed anywhere near another footballing venture speaks to just how crooked the world of football can be.

Fine words.

An agent who represented a number of players who played for us during Paul Cook's tenure made a very good point recently when talking about agents who have been banned by the FA yet continue to trade. To paraphrase, he said: clearly clubs and players continue to deal with these agents otherwise who are they representing?
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 08:54 AM

To put the record straight Sutcliffe was introduced to CFC by a well meaning and utterly blameless fan.

However a simple phone call to Rotherham would've surely raised enough doubt to keep him at arm's length.

Instead what many might dub the 'summat in it for me' culture at CFC saw him not only embraced but, alongside a Chris Turner whose suspiciously symbiotic roles should surely have raised as many questions at the Club as they did amongst fans, allowed a prominent position.

To the point their supposedly separate enterprise became 'inextricably linked', as described by a senior 'FBT' figure upon taking over their scandal ridden shambles.

And later confirmed by the official liquidator.

It's also worth remembering Ashley Carson's claims of loaning more money long after issues became obvious - infact evidence was handed to him personally as witnessed by his close ally Steve Coe.

Money he also insisted would be recouped.

The fact our club suffered years of incalculable costs, not to mention totally avoidable embarrassments, despite this very thread repeatedly exposing what parents and employees were saying is a disgrace.

Those warnings being met by smears and lies even more so.

Unfortunately whilst most involved have since left, some amidst accusations of scapegoating, the Carson and Croot who publicly denied it's depth at a fans' forum remain...
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 09:44 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 28 September 2019 - 08:54 AM, said:

To put the record straight Sutcliffe was introduced to CFC by a well meaning and utterly blameless fan.

However a simple phone call to Rotherham would've surely raised enough doubt to keep him at arm's length.

Instead what many might dub the 'summat in it for me' culture at CFC saw him not only embraced but, alongside a Chris Turner whose suspiciously symbiotic roles should surely have raised as many questions at the Club as they did amongst fans, allowed a prominent position.

To the point their supposedly separate enterprise became 'inextricably linked', as described by a senior 'FBT' figure upon taking over their scandal ridden shambles.

And later confirmed by the official liquidator.

It's also worth remembering Ashley Carson's claims of loaning more money long after issues became obvious - infact evidence was handed to him personally as witnessed by his close ally Steve Coe.

Money he also insisted would be recouped.

The fact our club suffered years of incalculable costs, not to mention totally avoidable embarrassments, despite this very thread repeatedly exposing what parents and employees were saying is a disgrace.

Those warnings being met by smears and lies even more so.

Unfortunately whilst most involved have since left, some amidst accusations of scapegoating, the Carson and Croot who publicly denied it's depth at a fans' forum remain...

Can you or any other informed poster clear up whether Sutcliffe was ever on the books as a CFC employee?
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 09:46 AM

View Postdim view, on 28 September 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

<br />Can you or any other informed poster clear up whether Sutcliffe was ever on the books as a CFC employee?<br />
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Yes.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:18 AM

View Postspireitenag, on 28 September 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

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Yes.

What was he employed as?
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:37 AM

View PostBenno Spire, on 28 September 2019 - 10:18 AM, said:

<br />What was he employed as?<br />
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As a coach.
This was confirmed to me by two members of staff at one of the first meetings I had regarding the above "questionable enterprise".
He was also on the list of employees contact details page on the club website for a period of time.
Sorry I'm not willing to reveal my sources due to potential legal implications or a possible home visit.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:44 AM

View Postspireitenag, on 28 September 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

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As a coach.
This was confirmed to me by two members of staff at one of the first meetings I had regarding the above "questionable enterprise".
He was also on the list of employees contact details page on the club website for a period of time.
Sorry I'm not willing to reveal my sources due to potential legal implications or a possible home visit.

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Do we know whether he was paid by both organisations concurrently?

Ashley Carson has confirmed that this didn't happen with Turner. That's settled then.
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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:47 AM

View Postdim view, on 28 September 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

<br />Ta<br /><br />Do we know whether he was paid by both organisations concurrently?<br /><br />Ashley Carson has confirmed that this didn't happen with Turner. That's settled then.<br />
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Sadly I suspect we'll never know the truth about that and a great many other things Dave.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 11:47 AM

View Postdim view, on 28 September 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

<br />Can you or any other informed poster clear up whether Sutcliffe was ever on the books as a CFC employee?<br />


You don't have to take the word of a Bob's Boarder for it...

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 03:15 PM

View PostLooker-on, on 28 September 2019 - 11:47 AM, said:

You don't have to take the word of a Bob's Boarder for it...

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Hold on a minute, though - that seems to say everyone who told us he was nothing to do with CFC was a liar.

But hey, at least it explains those Portakabins in the corner of the West and North stands.

Yeah, whatever happened to them...
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Posted 31 October 2019 - 05:53 PM

View PostBlue5, on 02 August 2019 - 07:54 AM, said:

Goals Soccer Centres plc released the following statement to the City this morning. Highly unfortunate for their former non-executive chairman, Rodney Walker who was involved with the business from 2002 until July 2013. Many of you will remember Walker and his company, FBT.

RNS Number : 6528H
Goals Soccer Centres PLC
02 August 2019

Goals Soccer Centres PLC
("Goals" or the "Company")

Update
The Company regrets to announce that, following ongoing detailed investigatory work into the historic accounting policies and practices used by the Company in the recognition of revenue and the preparation of financial statements, it has become very recently evident that there has been improper behaviour within the Company. This has involved a number of individuals for a period since at least 2010. Due to these initial findings, there is material uncertainty in relation to the historic financial statements published by the Company. Work on the Company's full-year 2018 audit has therefore been suspended until further clarification on the historic financial statements has been obtained.

A key criteria for the resumption of trading in the ordinary shares of the Company is the completion and publication by 30 September 2019 of the full year 2018 audited financial statements. The Directors do not now believe this timeframe for the audit is achievable and, coupled with the findings above, no longer expect the ordinary shares in the Company to resume trading. The listing of the Company's ordinary shares on AIM is therefore expected to cease and cancellation will be effective from 30 September 2019.

The Company confirms that there have been no material developments in the ongoing dialogue with HMRC in establishing a timetable for resolving any misdeclaration of VAT and in establishing a final value of money owed.
Discussions with the debt providers remain positive and they have confirmed to the Company that the existing debt facilities will remain in place post the initial 31 July 2019 review date, albeit that one of its covenant thresholds has been exceeded.
Year-to-date sales across the 45 sites in the UK on a gross like-for-like basis are up +11.5%. The Company's US gross like-for-like sales are up +14.5%.
The Company will make further updates as appropriate and when more information is available.

The information contained within this announcement is deemed to constitute inside information as stipulated under the Market Abuse Regulations (EU) No. 596/2014. Upon the publication of this announcement, this inside information is now considered to be in the public domain.

A further update on Goals Soccer Centres plc which reads all too familiar:

https://www.thetimes...y-40m-x79qxpfsk

Goals Soccer Centres has admitted that its historic profit figures may have been overstated by up to £40 million after an investigation into its accounts.

The five-a-side football operator, which has been bought in a deal believed to be worth almost £27 million, has been in the stock market spotlight since March when its shares were suspended after an accounting inquiry by BDO. It was suggested that it owed £13 million in VAT.

Goals said today that its historic profit figures could have been overstated by up to £40 million. Details on the financial issues dating back to 2009 have been handed to the Serious Fraud Office.

Goals alleged that it had uncovered the apparent creation of false fixed assets, false revenues, fake invoices and the wrongful payment of cheques to individuals associated with the company.

Separately, Goals has previously said that it was conducting its own investigation into the actions of Keith Rogers, the former chief executive, and Bill Gow, the former finance director. Neither responded to requests for comment on the specific allegations made by Goals.

Mr Rogers, who now lives in the US developing football sites, has denied any wrongdoing, while Mr Gow, a director at the biscuit maker Thomas Tunnock, has not made any comment.

Goals runs 45 football sites in the UK and has a further four in a joint venture in the US.

Last month its shares were de-listed from the junior Aim market, where it floated in 2004, as it could not produce audited accounts for 2018. It was confirmed today that Goals had been placed in administration and was being purchased in a pre-pack deal.

Northwind 5s, a new company backed by Inflexion Private Equity and Soccerworld, a five-a-side football company, is taking over in a move which preserves about 750 jobs.

Soccerworld, which has five centres across Scotland and the north of England, is backed by the McDermott family, who were involved in founding Goals back in 1990.

In a statement, brothers Barry and Ian McDermott, who also have interests in golf and other leisure assets, said they hoped to be able to expand Goals across the UK and the US.

Mike Ashley’s Sports Direct International, the largest shareholder in Goals, appears likely to be wiped out by the administration, while the tax authorities may not receive any of the VAT owed. Goals said it would be unable to repay the full £30 million of debt it owes to Bank of Scotland, which is thought to be the secured creditor, from the proceeds of the sale.

Sports Direct had made an approach to buy the company for around £4 million in September and has been extremely critical of the Goals board.

Goals said: “It is with regret that the funds generated through the sale do not fully compensate even the lenders to the company.”

“The board has already taken steps to preserve the company’s legal rights to compensation from parties who might be liable through negligence or more direct involvement, and entered into standstill agreements with former directors and also with its auditors of 15 years, KPMG. It is very unlikely that shareholders of Goals will receive any value for their shares.”
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Posted 13 December 2019 - 09:01 PM

As the news breaks of a settlement being reached in the Development Centre case against the club, I wonder if Liam at the DT will be able to make enquiries about the value of it, for us? As Liam may be unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the affair, it is worth bumping this thread back up.
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Posted 13 December 2019 - 10:28 PM

View PostLooker-on, on 13 December 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

As the news breaks of a settlement being reached in the Development Centre case against the club, I wonder if Liam at the DT will be able to make enquiries about the value of it, for us? As Liam may be unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the affair, it is worth bumping this thread back up.

So, a couple of years after The CFC Secretary did nowt about stopping Turner misleading supporters in an official media statement, and failed to instruct Auditors to refer to a possible dispute over the amount in the Accounts, CFC haemorrhages more cash.

Not summat Corbyn would have done. We must be told the amount so that another paragraph can be added to the Bible.
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 06:52 AM

And don't forget Carson's Johnson-esque pledges to 'take back control of our money'.

But isn't the real question why now and is this owt to do with a takeover?
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 08:51 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 December 2019 - 06:52 AM, said:

And don't forget Carson's Johnson-esque pledges to 'take back control of our money'.

But isn't the real question why now and is this owt to do with a takeover?


Yes, as the potential buyer wanted the claimed debt indemnifying
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 09:07 AM

View PostThe Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 December 2019 - 06:52 AM, said:

And don't forget Carson's Johnson-esque pledges to 'take back control of our money'.

But isn't the real question why now and is this owt to do with a takeover?

No mate. The more important ethical question is whether CFC has made yet another payment to Sutcliffe, and maybe even Turner?

The original claim was £144k. Carson's settlement is with a company that bought that claim and has now accepted a percentage of it.

To me and you. any percentage of bugggger all is buggger all and that's what Sutcliffe would have got if CFC Accounts had been kept properly.
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 09:44 AM

View PostLooker-on, on 13 December 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

As the news breaks of a settlement being reached in the Development Centre case against the club, I wonder if Liam at the DT will be able to make enquiries about the value of it, for us? As Liam may be unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the affair, it is worth bumping this thread back up.

If Liam is struggling, I am sure Graham Smyth can brief him on this subject.

Are we now starting to see exactly why Ashley never pursued Liam Sutcliffe and Chris Turner to the full extent of the law?
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Posted 14 December 2019 - 10:52 AM

Aren't we just better off concentrating any efforts on helping Zorro take back our club rather than poking the bear who holds the keys at the moment?
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