[The Black Triangle]

JonB, on 21 July 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Graham Smyth‏ @GrahamSmyth 9m9 minutes ago
Ashley Carson confirms Chesterfield are being investigated by EFL and FA over payments made to players by private academy #Spireites

Graham Smyth‏ @GrahamSmyth 8m8 minutes ago
As first reported by Derbyshire Times, Myles Wright and Jake Orrell were paid by academy set up by Chris Turner & Liam Sutcliffe #Spireites

Graham Smyth‏ @GrahamSmyth 6m6 minutes ago
Club has met with EFL and FA will look at it too. CFC also reported to Central League for playing Liam Graham under false name #Spireites

If the investigation found wrong doing, would this be a football or criminal matter? Would the club face points deductions for example? Could certain individuals face police charges?

[Vivo]

I wonder if they have a great big can opener, ready for that big can of worms being opened up?

[warfey is a spireite]

The Black Triangle, on 21 July 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

If the investigation found wrong doing, would this be a football or criminal matter? Would the club face points deductions for example? Could certain individuals face police charges?

wouldnt that be great

[Sammy Spireite]

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[dim view]

Dreamweaver, on 21 July 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

I believe Ashley Carson has already confirmed that to be correct.

To be fair, when Ashley was questioned about this allegation, he said words to the effect that he didn't believe Ritchie would be so daft as to involved in owt iffy, and that even if he did it would be a private matter, nowt to do with CFC. That presumably means that Ashley can easily confirm that CFC paid Ritchie's wages in full.

[moondog]

dim view, on 21 July 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

To be fair, when Ashley was questioned about this allegation, he said words to the effect that he didn't believe Ritchie would be so daft as to involved in owt iffy, and that even if he did it would be a private matter, nowt to do with CFC. That presumably means that Ashley can easily confirm that CFC paid Ritchie's wages in full.

He has just reconfirmed that to me

[moondog]

My take on this and it's entirely a personal view, is that the DC wanted all 3 players Wright, Orrell and Graham to be in the first team squad in order to promote the DC as a pathway to the first team. Saunders agreed if his budget wasn't affected, so some bright spark, presumably Turner arranged for the wages to be paid by the DC, except for Graham who's wages were apparently being sponsored via Bingham/Royal Pearl.

As for punishments there won't be points deductions as we are no longer in the central league and Orrell & Wright were registered, so possibly a fine.
I suppose it could be serious if the FA deem a third party paying wages means the players were effectively owned by a third party.

[dim view]

moondog, on 21 July 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

My take on this and it's entirely a personal view, is that the DC wanted all 3 players Wright, Orrell and Graham to be in the first team squad in order to promote the DC as a pathway to the first team. Saunders agreed if his budget wasn't affected, so some bright spark, presumably Turner arranged for the wages to be paid by the DC, except for Graham who's wages were apparently being sponsored via Bingham/Royal Pearl.

I think that's a fair shout. It begs the question though.....why did Sally Swain and Ashley Carson not put a stop to it? They must have seen and authorised the payroll runs that excluded these players (and other CFC employees if other allegations are correct).

[calvin plummers socks]

dim view, on 21 July 2017 - 11:33 AM, said:

I think that's a fair shout. It begs the question though.....why did Sally Swain and Ashley Carson not put a stop to it? They must have seen and authorised the payroll runs that excluded these players (and other CFC employees if other allegations are correct).

Because
A). They don't know the rules of governance of running a football club
And therefore shouldn't be working at one

B). They did'nt give a f***

[DIFH]

The Black Triangle, on 21 July 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

If the investigation found wrong doing, would this be a football or criminal matter? Would the club face points deductions for example? Could certain individuals face police charges?

With our history involving similar circumstances I'd guess we are in deep sheet.

[moondog]

dim view, on 21 July 2017 - 11:33 AM, said:

I think that's a fair shout. It begs the question though.....why did Sally Swain and Ashley Carson not put a stop to it? They must have seen and authorised the payroll runs that excluded these players (and other CFC employees if other allegations are correct).

It's a fair question, especially when the issues were raised on here

[dim view]

moondog, on 21 July 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

It's a fair question, especially when the issues were raised on here

One explanation is that CFC paid all DS football related employees and got the money back via various routes, but that doesn't stand scrutiny. It would imply that the DS wasn't an independent company, and that cant be right 'cos Ashley and Turner said it was.

On the other hand I've heard people claim that the accounts of the two companies were intrinsically connected for at least 3 years. Again, that's impossible 'cos that would imply that the authorised accounts signed off at the EGM were not a true and accurate record.

[Sammy Spireite]

dim view, on 21 July 2017 - 11:33 AM, said:

I think that's a fair shout. It begs the question though.....why did Sally Swain and Ashley Carson not put a stop to it? They must have seen and authorised the payroll runs that excluded these players (and other CFC employees if other allegations are correct).

I wonder (HOPE) if Nick Johnson kept a copy of the audio recording he took of the Fans Forum in November, I'm sure that would be a great help to the FA and EFL.

All present were all fully aware they were being recorded.

[Stockholm Spireite]

Sammy Spireite, on 21 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

I wonder (HOPE) if Nick Johnson kept a copy of the audio recording he took of the Fans Forum in November, I'm sure that would be a great help to the FA and EFL.

All present were all fully aware they were being recorded.

If he has, I feel that it might go the same way as Liam Sutcliffe's laptop and into the abyss...

[Blue5]

Is Ashley confident that all payments made by the development centre to CFC employees were processed through the company's payroll and subject to PAYE deductions?

If Ashley is not confident, this arrangement is starting to look like tax evasion.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

moondog, on 21 July 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

He has just reconfirmed that to me

So it's being categorically stated by Ashley Carson that at no point did RH receive any kind of payments from the CFCFDS?

Because I'm led to believe he told a major sponsor something different.

Or is he simply saying any such money was nowt to do with CFC.

The reason I ask is because a contributor to this forum accused me of spreading smears when I asked how the PFA Chairman might feel about being in any way linked to such a scandal ridden enterprise?

But then he made similar allegations when I discussed Liam Graham's time at Town.

Not to mention when pretty much everything that's been confirmed over the last eighteen or so months was first suggested.

I guess one of us is 'in the dark' and being 'run rings around'...

[Zorro]

Stockholm Spireite, on 21 July 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

If he has, I feel that it might go the same way as Liam Sutcliffe's laptop and into the abyss...

Don't worry SS, I've got my copy safe and sound.

Z

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 21 July 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

One explanation is that CFC paid all DS football related employees and got the money back via various routes, but that doesn't stand scrutiny. It would imply that the DS wasn't an independent company, and that cant be right 'cos Ashley and Turner said it was.

On the other hand I've heard people claim that the accounts of the two companies were intrinsically connected for at least 3 years. Again, that's impossible 'cos that would imply that the authorised accounts signed off at the EGM were not a true and accurate record.

Well I'm guessing anyone making such an assertion would have to have intimate knowledge of the CFCFDS accounts.

So taking at face value Ashley's claim he knew nothing of those accounts until recently, and the accountants alleged assertion they were denied access, that leaves Sutcliffe, Turner and, presumably, Mike Hegarty - unless he took over that enterprise without performing full due diligence.

Which means we could, quite possibly, be faced with the Director and CEO of the ROMIRO Group confirming the Club and CFCFDS had been financially linked for quite some time.

Hmmm...

[azul]

Wonder when this story will reach the mainstream media

What's Harry Harris doing these days?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Just when folk think this thread might finally fade away, just when apologists feel emboldened enough to re-appear, and just when the honest majority try to look forward to football...well, we know, don't we.

Anyway, here's yet another linky thing: http://www.thecfss.c...opic=60638&st=0