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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

You must keep VAT records for at least 6 years

You must keep all accounting records for 6 years from the end of the last company financial year they relate to, whether vat registered or not.

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

Happy to chat to you if you need me to explain further.

Yes please. Crown, Royal Oak, or Neddie?

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

Not sure why you keep referring to us at the "IT Supplier" in the end when I post on here it is me personally nothing to do with our business

Anyway

I am not claiming at all that I am going to shape the Youth Policy, I have already told Chris I don't have the time, but happy to help where I can.
I have been involved in youth football for a good length of time.
(Is that better Chris didn't mention the 15 years, turns out my first involvement was 2004, so 13 years, apologies for the mistake)
So I have a good number of contacts within Football and the FA, you may know as much about IT as me.

With regards to the DC and its computers and backups, there was no link between the CFC system and their laptops.

I do remember a lady there who used a laptop with Sage on it, but they would have had to do their own backups as the CFC system was NOT linked to it.
They could quite easily have produced the TB or P & L and then emailed it to CT I would assume, to save him walking across the road.
Did Mike track down the lady, I am sure she will have a backup somewhere as she was responsible for it wasn't she ?

Happy to chat to you if you need me to explain further.

Steve,

Can I direct you to a post of mine from 04/03/17 at 21:08 (http://www.thecfss.c...dpost&p=1286391), part of it read as follows:

"We know Lindricks' produced the accounts for Y/E 30/06/15, so they will have a file post that date and the accountant left in January 2016. As you know, we have tried to make contact with the former accountant through her old colleagues but she is having none of it, a luxury I suspect she might not have for much longer now a liquidator has been appointed."

To be clear, we will not be attempting to make contact again, preferring to leave that now with the liquidator, HMRC and the Insolvency Service.

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

Mike

Yes I remember the post now thanks for the reminder.

Strange why she wouldn't want to help, but I am sure the liquidator will ask for it.






You know the pubs well then

Oak is shut for refurb
Neddie is a bit dire
But Crown would be fine, next week sometime ?

New Inn should be on the radar

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

Here is me trying to be nice and he we go with some incorrect facts again

Correct, our logo appeared alongside Paul's Bolsover Cars but as I have said before all we did was help with the website hosting, hardly a partner as such
Incorrect, the laptops we donated were very low end ones not high end at all.
Correct, we had nothing to do with the finances or where they ended up, they were not part of the CFC network
I understood some lady had one of them, I thought Mike was going to ask her ?

And I was merely replying to some inaccuracies on your statement about the academy, I am sure Mark Smith will confirm what I have told you? Did you ask him before you posted the message ?

Strange

Yes we were in the pub discussing a few issues, as I will be discussing again with him tomorrow when he is back

Ah, so you've gone from claiming 'expertise of running a successful junior football club for 15 years' - with shiny badges to prove it - to simply being 'involved' in 2004. Well if you've taken the time and trouble to check that fair enough, even if it's not entirely clear what 'involved' actually means. But my memory is merely of two dads jointly running an under eight side 'cos no one else was bothered, in a similar way to you later becoming 'Junior Blues' secretary for a similar reason. My lad's now nineteen, so I'll allow everyone to do the math for themselves.

Then you yourself described 'SBK' as 'partners' to Sutcliffe's disaster in an earlier post, regardless of your transparent attempt to now use another's name to somehow legitimise that relationship. As you mention Paul's name, though, wasn't he one of many parents who publically pursued Sutcliffe? You'll have to point us in the direction of you doing the same.

And pedantry aside - always the resort of the desperate - you did donate three computers. Any idea what Sutcliffe did with them, Steve....?

Good to see you've dropped the 'Ashley's not my mate' line, too. Oh, and pass on my regards to Andy Morris, will you? I mean, you have organised his appearance tomorrow at Ashley's behest, haven't you?

To be honest Steve I don't really care if you're 'nice' or not, however the only 'incorrect facts' I'm seeing here are coming from you.

You've also dodged the key question I asked: Why have you failed to intervene on a thread discussing a hugely damaging venture to which you were clearly associated for more than a year, only to pile-in to Mark Smith's honest academy at pretty much the first opportunity?

As is so often the case with those to whom you've so happily allied yourself, it just doesn't add up.

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

Mike

Yes I remember the post now thanks for the reminder.

Strange why she wouldn't want to help, but I am sure the liquidator will ask her

Her former colleagues have suggested that she has cited client confidentiality and professional guidelines on whistleblowing as her reasoning and as a result, we must fully respect her position, however frustrating.

On the subject of Sutcliffe's emails, we understand some of the financial data was frequently sent via email to the former bookkeeper. Given your position as a creditor of the company, would you be willing to provide the liquidator with copies of those emails if required?

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Steve,

On the subject of the academy's viability. Take the £24K which CFCFDS were recharging CFC for the rent on the CFC Village (originally denied by AC but later confirmed by Howard Freeman at Shorts), which department in CFC was this cost allocated to?

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freelander2, on 10 March 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

(originally denied by AC but later confirmed by Howard Freeman at Shorts)

So it's yet another porkie told by Carson, and then the pleb threatens to sue for saying he was meeting someone in Thailand which it later seems he did have contact with? Jesus, with this lot from Sheffield lying is institutionalised.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Ah, yes but I have seen the Club History done by our chairman and your name isn't on it for some strange reason but i have asked him to put you on the assistant tab, I think you was only there for the 1 year ?I was Secretary from 2005 onwards as there was a problem and I was asked to sort it out which we did and have grown to over 22 teams now, but perhaps i should reword the successful bit to something more meaning

mm i was only stating a fact that both logos where associated with the DS
Paul did do that perhaps as his son was at the defunct DS didnt he? you would have to ask him, neither of mine where there so i wasn't involved in it apart from sending a few lads over to join in the training.

Ah here we go again three computers, Incorrect, where do you get your facts from ?

It was actually 5 "Low end" laptops and a Colour Printer, and no I have no idea where they went, they were setup for the staff

I will pass your regards onto Bruno tomorrow, he started the Juniors off in 2002 (i've now realised where i got the 15 years from, my memory is getting worse, i will let you do the maths)

I haven't dodged and never will, but i guess we wont agree on most things, you think i post incorrect facts and i think the same of you.

Nah, no need.

The enjoyment I elicited and relationships I established during my three years with 'Junior Blues' are more than enough for me, Steve.

As is the enjoyment I elicited and relationships I established after leaving to follow my lad to the CFC Academy.

But if having your name in big letters at a local youth set-up means so much then I'm pleased for you, I really am.

Oh, and sorry if my exit - or 'jacking it in' as you put it - left such ill-felling, but being in two places at one time was simply impossible.

Besides, the people that mattered understood.

Anyway, thanks for not dodging the question of why you know so much about Mark's honest academy to which you have no connection, yet so little about Sutcliffe's to which you were.

Problem is I must have one of them 'low end' computers, 'cos I can't seem to find your explanation anywhere...

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 10 March 2017 - 04:37 PM

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

Oak is shut for refurb
Neddie is a bit dire
But Crown would be fine, next week sometime ?

This is where I'm at.
Your explanations would have to be responses to questions I have about your plans. You, on the other hand, have already stated that nothing will be disclosed for some time yet.

I've done some digging today and I find that the Academy is blessed with a few boys at different age groups who are being carefully watched by big clubs. This in my opinion is clear evidence that the Academy blueprint has a long term future and I don't want to see any outsider, let alone any ignorant Director, mess with it. Your assistance should be directed towards helping Mark Smith to fight for and clarify his cost centre budget and then help him work to it in the face of bullying from above.

CFC has acquired a well earned reputation for dodgy dealings. Any new partner has his work cut out to rise above that and stating that your plans will remain confidential until agreed with Ashley Carson is not the way to proceed.

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itsc, on 10 March 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Mike

I have no idea where it is costed to as I don't have access to that information

So CFCFDS was invoicing CFC for Rent or do you mean the other way around ?

Steve,

For CFC 2001 Ltd's last two financial years, CFC Football Development School Ltd / CFC International Football Academy Ltd have charged expenditure to the club (CFC 2001 Ltd) totalling £48,500 relating to "rent" associated with the CFC Village.

You have to wonder to which department this cost has been allocated to, Mark Smith's possibly?

Obviously us "externals" don't have the luxury of being able to drill down into the numbers, but if such overheads as the one detailed above is being charged to Mark Smith, it's hardly a level playing field, is it?

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 10 March 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

This is where I'm at.
Your explanations would have to be responses to questions I have about your plans. You, on the other hand, have already stated that nothing will be disclosed for some time yet.

I've done some digging today and I find that the Academy is blessed with a few boys at different age groups who are being carefully watched by big clubs. This in my opinion is clear evidence that the Academy blueprint has a long term future and I don't want to see any outsider, let alone any ignorant Director, mess with it. Your assistance should be directed towards helping Mark Smith to fight for and clarify his cost centre budget and then help him work to it in the face of bullying from above.

CFC has acquired a well earned reputation for dodgy dealings. Any new partner has his work cut out to rise above that and stating that your plans will remain confidential until agreed with Ashley Carson is not the way to proceed.

I too have been 'digging'.

Look at this from Mark's point of view: an honest, straightforward bloke who simply wants to do the job for which he's eminently qualified. Yet for the last few years he's been repeatedly confronted by the stuff narrated on this thread whilst, and let me make it clear I'm only guessing here, his protests were met by deaf ears. Even when the 'stuff narrated on this thread' directly damaged his increasingly productive academy.

But when all's said and done Mark Smith is just an employee who needs to pay his bills.

Worse still, and for reasons we can only ponder, Carson seems to be targeting so-called losses at the Academy in a way they were apparently tolerated at Sutcliffe's embarrassment. Now that's MS's Achilles heel, being a football man much, much more than a finance one. So when a jumped-up, 'Aren't I important 'cos I run a junior outfit' kinda pretender is allowed licence to shoot holes in Mark's set-up - still only guessing, by the way - the Academy's possibly 'CFCFDS' impacted numbers are made to look vulnerable.

Who could blame Mark for thinking 'Eff it. I've enough friends and respect in the game to easily get another gig, so why should I put-up with this?'.

For all his reported lounge room braggadocio and 'I know something you don't' style posturing on here, Steve Coe won't be taking over the Academy. Far more likely his 'Junior Blues' will merely be allowed some sort of link-up at under sixteen level. However it wouldn't surprise me if Town lost a damn good coach and a damn good man in the not too distant future.

We might lose far more as a result.

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freelander2, on 10 March 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

Steve,

For CFC 2001 Ltd's last two financial years, CFC Football Development School Ltd / CFC International Football Academy Ltd have charged expenditure to the club (CFC 2001 Ltd) totalling £48,500 relating to "rent" associated with the CFC Village.

You have to wonder to which department this cost has been allocated to, Mark Smith's possibly?

You also have to wonder which person failed to query the charges. Let's have a quiz to name all those who might be tempted .....