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freelander2, on 10 December 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

So you're clear that CFCFDS have appeared in the CFC accounts under "other debtors"?

Even when I pressed them at the forum, stating that given the losses in years 1, 2 & 3, the company would have required a cash injection long before this summer when AC & CT are said to have injected circa £60K, so who had provided the funding prior to this point, their response was that LS just chose not to pay people!

Roll on the next Forum, when perhaps they will have a better try at giving us some facts.

[moondog]

freelander2, on 10 December 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

So you're clear that CFCFDS have appeared in the CFC accounts under "other debtors"? Even when I pressed them at the forum, stating that given the losses in years 1, 2 & 3, the company would have required a cash injection long before this summer when AC & CT are said to have injected circa £60K, so who had provided the funding prior to this point, their response was that LS just chose not to pay people!

as well as him obtaining income from trips that were never booked with the supplier

[Westbars Spireite]

moondog, on 10 December 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

as well as him obtaining income from trips that were never booked wih the supplier

He needs locking up really. A few weeks lodging with Leroy will do him the world of good.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Brockwell,

I am struggling to understand the financials behind the movement and ownership of players who attend these academies and development centres.

Given that you’re in a better position than me to understand the inner workings, any chance of you being able to put the meet on the bones for me, please?

1) Let’s say a player has been attending ABC Development Centre in Australia at cost to his parents. That development centre will have partners and access to professional clubs just like any other centre.

2) The player is then made aware of another development centre in UK/Europe and he’s encouraged to attend. For what reason would a player leave one centre to join another, thousands of miles away?

3) At this point, does the player sever all ties with ABC Development Centre or do they retain his ownership / managing rights? If the player severs all ties, resulting in ABC Development Centre losing income, are they compensated and if so, how? Likewise, if they retain ownership / managing rights of the player, are they paid commission from the new development centre?

4) One assumes that the player will apply for a visa on the basis that he will be attending a full time education programme and he will not receive any remuneration for participating in sport, is that your understanding? In your opinion, could this be open to abuse?

5) Who funds the travel and relocation expenses to facilitate the player’s move?

6) Working on the basis that the player is still managed / owned by ABC Development Centre, if the player is successful at his new development centre and is offered professional terms by a club, how are his new development centre compensated? Also how does the player’s new club get around ABC Development Centre? Would this be classed as third party ownership?

7) I am guessing that the more successful development centres rely on a unique selling point and/or success stories. In other words, parents/kids want to see a proven track record of players making it before signing up on these programmes. In your opinion, what would be the easiest to create, a USP or a success story?

8) My knowledge of these young players is extremely limited, but I have noticed a pattern whereby some players move about from one club to another and appear to be no nearer to professional football than you or I. Is this the norm and can you explain the pattern? If I have noticed it, you must have.


Cheers.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

freelander2, on 12 December 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Brockwell,

I am struggling to understand the financials behind the movement and ownership of players who attend these academies and development centres.

Given that you’re in a better position than me to understand the inner workings, any chance of you being able to put the meet on the bones for me, please?

1) Let’s say a player has been attending ABC Development Centre in Australia at cost to his parents. That development centre will have partners and access to professional clubs just like any other centre.

2) The player is then made aware of another development centre in UK/Europe and he’s encouraged to attend. For what reason would a player leave one centre to join another, thousands of miles away?

3) At this point, does the player sever all ties with ABC Development Centre or do they retain his ownership / managing rights? If the player severs all ties, resulting in ABC Development Centre losing income, are they compensated and if so, how? Likewise, if they retain ownership / managing rights of the player, are they paid commission from the new development centre?

4) One assumes that the player will apply for a visa on the basis that he will be attending a full time education programme and he will not receive any remuneration for participating in sport, is that your understanding? In your opinion, could this be open to abuse?

5) Who funds the travel and relocation expenses to facilitate the player’s move?

6) Working on the basis that the player is still managed / owned by ABC Development Centre, if the player is successful at his new development centre and is offered professional terms by a club, how are his new development centre compensated? Also how does the player’s new club get around ABC Development Centre? Would this be classed as third party ownership?

7) I am guessing that the more successful development centres rely on a unique selling point and/or success stories. In other words, parents/kids want to see a proven track record of players making it before signing up on these programmes. In your opinion, what would be the easiest to create, a USP or a success story?

8) My knowledge of these young players is extremely limited, but I have noticed a pattern whereby some players move about from one club to another and appear to be no nearer to professional football than you or I. Is this the norm and can you explain the pattern? If I have noticed it, you must have.


Cheers.

I bet there are a lot of people saying that up and down the country at the minute but for different reasosn

[Guest_freelander2_*]

http://www.derbyshir...round-1-8287434

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

freelander2, on 13 December 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

http://www.derbyshir...round-1-8287434

and so it goes on and on and ....

[calvin plummers socks]

Wow this Sutcliffe guy seems the luckiest guy alive to still have a job reading that!
It reads like he is to blame for the hidden debts?

[Somerset Spireite]

Oh my God, is this for real?

What a great quote:

"Maybe we should have done a bit more due diligence ..."

You think?!

[Mr Mercury]

Where's Biggs response to this?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

It makes me wonder if these people exist in a parallel universe.

On one hand the article suggests Hegarty invested in a pup and on the next, he's praising Carson & Turner!

Very, very odd.

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Somerset Spireite, on 13 December 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Oh my God, is this for real?

What a great quote:

"Maybe we should have done a bit more due diligence ..."

You think?!

it raises a few questions...

He has great respect for CT but suggests LS should have had more help? That implies he has little respect for CT.
Is the company going to pay historic debts or not? Perhaps they will, and take them out of LS's pay packet at source.
Have any CCJ's arisen through activities undertaken since the company took over?
Is Fitzgerald around?
Who is it that has told him how talented LS is?

[Stockholm Spireite]

dim view, on 13 December 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

Who is it that has told him how talented LS is?

Probably LS, himself. After all, he said he's the only one who knows how these things (DC's and IA's) work.

He also said a while ago that Man City could come in for him at any time. Except they haven't. And won't.

[Alan Birch]

Actually,.....

..... rather than tear to shreds the 'paper' Graham has written this fully written story on I think it is time to say a big well done to all of those diligent (lol) contributors on this open and transparent forum that have brought this saga (written kindly) to this particular chapter.

We all know who you are, and this is your terrific result. Full on exposure and full on acceptance. Well done all of you, it might not change everything right now but it does change a lot, imo.

Cheers all, AB

[Mrhappy]

Whilst LS is anywhere near the International academy there may well be issues, his track record would suggest so.

I am astounded that the new investors 'across the road' did not look into the background of the business.

[calvin plummers socks]

Mrhappy, on 13 December 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Whilst LS is anywhere near the International academy there may well be issues, his track record would suggest so.

I am astounded that the new investors 'across the road' did not look into the background of the business.

He must be a bleedin good coach if they still want him.
If he's that good try him over the road in place of Morgan?

[Mrhappy]

calvin plummers socks, on 13 December 2016 - 08:11 PM, said:

He must be a bleedin good coach if they still want him.
If he's that good try him over the road in place of Morgan?

I don't think his ego would fit through the changing room door

[Sammy Spireite]

dim view, on 13 December 2016 - 05:08 PM, said:

take them out of LS's pay packet at source.

Am sure we were told at the Fans Forum that LS had not taken a penny in wages, and didn't intend to until it turned a profit??

[Mrhappy]

Sammy Spireite, on 13 December 2016 - 11:20 PM, said:

Am sure we were told at the Fans Forum that LS had not taken a penny in wages, and didn't intend to until it turned a profit??

So how would he be paying his rent/mortgage etc?

[Blue95]

Mrhappy, on 13 December 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:

So how would he be paying his rent/mortgage etc?

He did used to be a professional footballer dont forget