[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

How many months did it take for Clucas to first recoup, then significantly return the investment?

Not long. A truly remarkable occurrence.

Can you name any L1 club that signed a player in the summer who is now Championship material?.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

Not long. A truly remarkable occurrence.

Can you name any L1 club that signed a player in the summer who is now Championship material?.

You enduring a frustratingly football-free afternoon too, Dave?

Anyway, I accept your point, just as I hope you accept mine that the right shopping, as you put it, can reap dividends.

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

You didn't ask who could play at a higher level. The Blunts could seal promotion by buying Tommy and Evo, for example.

You are surely not implying that if we had done some shopping in June we would now have sellable players?.

No, I`m saying we seem to have changed our recruitment policy, and IMO not really for the better.




Fair point ref Evo and Tommy.

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

You enduring a frustratingly football-free afternoon too, Dave?

Anyway, I accept your point, just as I hope you accept mine that the right shopping, as you put it, can reap dividends.

This is normally my favourite day. To be playing AFTER the draw for round 2 is bludddy awful.

[danblue]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

This is normally my favourite day. To be playing AFTER the draw for round 2 is bludddy awful.

That never crossed my mind- whatever team gets pulled out the hat on Sunday could be a good incentive for either team Monday night to put that little bit more effort to win.
Wether it be another non-league carrot for us with chance for a 3rd round appearance or a league team big pay day for FCUM

[dim view]

a kick in the balls, on 07 November 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

No, I`m saying we seem to have changed our recruitment policy, and IMO not really for the better.

Our policy is worse because we don't seem to have signed a sellable player yet?. Harsh. It smacks of unrealistic expectations and a failure to note our position relative to last season. Or is it the Doomsday scenario, whereby if we don't get any immediate returns, we will fold?. Equally unrealistic.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Our policy is worse because we don't seem to have signed a sellable player yet?. Harsh. It smacks of unrealistic expectations and a failure to note our position relative to last season. Or is it the Doomsday scenario, whereby if we don't get any immediate returns, we will fold?. Equally unrealistic.

But what is our position relative to last season, Dave?

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

But what is our position relative to last season, Dave?

By next Satday, we'll be 5 points better than last season and have £100k in't bank from't cup.

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Our policy is worse because we don't seem to have signed a sellable player yet?. Harsh. It smacks of unrealistic expectations and a failure to note our position relative to last season. Or is it the Doomsday scenario, whereby if we don't get any immediate returns, we will fold?. Equally unrealistic.

I`d much prefer the club to sign players on the up, the younger player who wants to make it, has something to prove, who we can develop and improve while being capable of first team football. Its fine signing expensive ex championship players, but they are, by all accounts costing more in wages and the club is in pretty much in the same position, with no resale value - Costs more, treading water and worth less?......At least with players like Clucas, Morsy, Doyle, Cooper we had some value to the club.




I`m far from convinced that the development centre/reserves/youth set/shadow squad or whatever its called will ever develop players that have value. We would be competing with massive clubs with much much better set ups and have little or no hope of getting the best young kids.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

By next Satday, we'll be 5 points better than last season and have £100k in't bank from't cup.

The unexpected TV money they should use to employ someone short term to come in an analyse where the money is going. That should include not only a review of the backroom footballing staff but a review of all employees at the club to see what they add in value and if they are actually needed. Our off the field costs simply need to be cut so we can invest in the squad. Whenever you are at the club there always seems to be a lot of people doing not a lot and a lot of people on the sales/marketing front appear to do very similar jobs. Perhaps some could be combined?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Our policy is worse because we don't seem to have signed a sellable player yet?. Harsh. It smacks of unrealistic expectations and a failure to note our position relative to last season. Or is it the Doomsday scenario, whereby if we don't get any immediate returns, we will fold?. Equally unrealistic.

We can talk all day long about what's realistic & what's not. The reality is, based on current overheads, we need between £1.3M to £1.5M of exceptional one-off income (player sales, cup run, play offs, Wembley) every year OR cost savings to the tune of £1.15M to £1.35M to stand a chance of treading water. Is that a realistic expectation?

I'm struggling to believe that Saunders' budget is greater than Cook's, surely we are not that thick?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 07 November 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

The unexpected TV money they should use to employ someone short term to come in an analyse where the money is going. That should include not only a review of the backroom footballing staff but a review of all employees at the club to see what they add in value and if they are actually needed. Our off the field costs simply need to be cut so we can invest in the squad. Whenever you are at the club there always seems to be a lot of people doing not a lot and a lot of people on the sales/marketing front appear to do very similar jobs. Perhaps some could be combined?

It would be much easier to employ a CEO who has the knowledge & experience to run a business instead of pretending that a failed football manager is up to the job.

[LuSiVe]

danblue, on 07 November 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

That never crossed my mind- whatever team gets pulled out the hat on Sunday could be a good incentive for either team Monday night to put that little bit more effort to win.

The draw's 7pm Monday.

[spireite87]

I've refrained from commenting on the transfer policy of our new manager until now because I was a little disheartened by the appointment of DS and therefore may have judged him unfairly, it wasn't until I spoke with a friend of mine who had dealings with DS I begun to alter my mind.

What PC did in recruiting players like Clucas, Cooper and Doyle and then selling them for profit was very admirable, but for every risk you take with a prospect/youth player you don't always reap the rewards. Let's not forget he also signed Armand, Banks, Gardner, Chapman, Humphreys!!

PC did a great job of finding assests to sell, but so did other managers! Duncan for example. We must not be too harsh on DS, he is doing the best he can and he, for now, has stabilized our position. Yes Herd, SEB, Angel may not offer resale value but they support our sustained effort in consolidating in league 1. DS wants to promote youth and scout for prospects but finding so many to fill the void left by so many quality players in a succinct period of time as proven difficult.

Overall. Is this disappointing compared to last season? Yes. Will we finish higher or lower than last season? Lower. Will our account be worse or better? Slightly better. Will we continue to grow and develop as a club? I sincerely hope so.

I think I, and maybe a majority of us, have been too crtitical with DS because we all truly hoped we'd be pushing on to something greater. We may we will, but not for another season or so. Regardless, I will continue to support with blind optimism!!!

This post has been edited by spireite87: 07 November 2015 - 05:28 PM

[h again]

a kick in the balls, on 06 November 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

Is there any point? Debate is impossible when you enter a thread.

your nonsense changes from day to day, and from person to person, depending upon whom your latest argument is with.

Arguing for the sake of, contradicting yourself on an almost daily basis, and refusing point blank to answer valid points made?




nah, your best of answered with "silly pictures"

Strange. I seem to take part in most of the longest debates on here, so somebody seems to be managing to hold a reasonable position contrary to mine. What you actually mean, of course, is that YOU personally find debate impossible because you can't come up with any reasonable arguments or present them in a sensible way if you do.
Hence the silly pictures.
This post of yours is a perfect example. If you find any contradictions, point them out on here. Likewise if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them.
Just fire away. You do have some questions that I've refused 'point blank ' to answer, do you? You've just claimed you have some on a 'daily basis', so no shortage of ammunition. Three or four will do to start with, we don't want to overload the Board.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

freelander2, on 07 November 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

It would be much easier to employ a CEO who has the knowledge & experience to run a business instead of pretending that a failed football manager is up to the job.

Our situation summed up in a single sentence.

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 07 November 2015 - 05:31 PM

[Mr Mercury]

freelander2, on 07 November 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

It would be much easier to employ a CEO who has the knowledge & experience to run a business instead of pretending that a failed football manager is up to the job.

The financial results of the last couple of years clearly show he isn't!

[h again]

freelander2, on 07 November 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

It would be much easier to employ a CEO who has the knowledge & experience to run a business instead of pretending that a failed football manager is up to the job.

I'm afraid I'm not in a position to judge CT's financial skills, though I doubt they amount to very much. Trouble is, if we had a financial genius and the football suffered we'd all be calling for a CEO who knew the game.
So, one of each? Cost a fortune, and we're already loaded with infrastructure as far as I can see.
I just hope the owner's track record means we get the optimum deal. I have this crazy idea that DA ain't daft.

[h again]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Yeah, I did notice that Carson went quiet on the subject which I took as an admittance it wasn't gonna happen.

I'll be 'round at a BT subscribed mate of mine's.

As for your references to the three players I'm struggling to see what point you're making. Who's said owt about swapping them with any lower league recruits?




Ignore him, 'AKITB'.

It's just the usual ducking, dodging, denial and deceit.





Ayup, Shaun.

Whilst I agree we're just a middle-of-the-road kinda outfit who'll always have our best assets targeted, my point is there's no pre-considered 'plan' as suggested by one or two on here. Sure there might've been at first but as losses mounted Allen made it clear he wanted his money back and would sell players to achieve that. Which is exactly what's happened. And given the recent accounts it's become evident the sales were necessary just to prevent another huge loss, too.

Did we get the best possible deals? Well Clucas and Darikwa are receiving high praise at their new clubs and it wouldn't surprise me if one or both are at a higher level in the not too distant future. Whether with their current outfit or another - infact I've heard the name of Manchester United mentioned in the same sentence as Darikwa. I guess at that point we'll be able to decide if what was negotiated was too good to turn down.

Examples, please. Crikey, with all that lot going on you must have something you can pin on me, it makes me sound like a defence barrister.
Feel free, I'm waiting. One example of each will do.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

h again, on 07 November 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

I'm afraid I'm not in a position to judge CT's financial skills, though I doubt they amount to very much. Trouble is, if we had a financial genius and the football suffered we'd all be calling for a CEO who knew the game.
So, one of each? Cost a fortune, and we're already loaded with infrastructure as far as I can see.
I just hope the owner's track record means we get the optimum deal. I have this crazy idea that DA ain't daft.

They're out there. Research Walsall FC.

As for DA, I agree, but then how much did he lose at Wednesday, how much has he made here so far? Not to mention the £2M+ funding gap here, was that discovered pre or post due diligence or perhaps he just didn't bother?