[h again]

a kick in the balls, on 06 November 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

Earlier this week you dismissed financial concerns by saying we had the money from Clucas and Darikwa in the bank......make your mind up, which is it?

Money in the bank or no money in the bank?

Dismissed financial concerns? Do you actually read ANYTHING. Of course we still have financial concerns - we still owe approximately 7 million quid.

[h again]

MDCCCLXVI, on 06 November 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Please address the points I made rather than what you "imagine" or I might "seem to favour".

Thanks for the offer, but I'm still waiting for you to address the points I made a few days back.
I'm not holding my breath though.

[Mr Mercury]

h again, on 06 November 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Dismissed financial concerns? Do you actually read ANYTHING. Of course we still have financial concerns - we still owe approximately 7 million quid.

So why do we STILL owe that amount after the season we've just had and the sales of Cooper and Doyle?

[60s 70s Spireite]

h again, on 06 November 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:

Don't we owe DA about 7 million? How does that equate to having more cash than ever before?

More cash than we when we used to have to follow the model. Keep up (as someone always says)

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MDCCCLXVI, on 06 November 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Please address the points I made rather than what you "imagine" or I might "seem to favour".

Heyup ode lad.
Where are you watching the cup tie?. I'm told the lounges won't be opening.

The points.....
we have the chance now to simplify the whole situation. Going forward from here, would you swap SEB, Novak, and Herd, for some other lower league players who may have potential, or not?. I wouldn't.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on 06 November 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

Thanks for the offer, but I'm still waiting for you to address the points I made a few days back.
I'm not holding my breath though.

Is there any point? Debate is impossible when you enter a thread.

your nonsense changes from day to day, and from person to person, depending upon whom your latest argument is with.

Arguing for the sake of, contradicting yourself on an almost daily basis, and refusing point blank to answer valid points made?




nah, your best of answered with "silly pictures"

[shaun1866]

MDCCCLXVI, on 06 November 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Some of this is highly amusing.

The sale of Clucas and Darikwa "unexpected"? Well the latter had submitted a transfer request whilst the Chairman had repeatedly stated - and confirmed - his intent to recoup his cash via sales. Infact all it needed was a quote from 'Turnip' saying 'No one's going anywhere!' and the pair could've booked taxis!

Then talk of some sort of 'plan'? At first, perhaps, given Allen's talk of the Championship and the couple of million he invested. But then relegation seemed to initiate a one hundred and eighty degree U-turn with Cook's remit being to deliver more for less. Thankfully that's what he did, yet someone somewhere didn't do their sums properly and CFC posted a million-plus loss despite the most successful season in our history. Since then it's pretty much been crisis management, as confirmed by the recent accounts which revealed we'd barely broken even regardless of more record receipts.

Saunders having a 'strategy'? Continuing Cook's 'recruit cheap and develop' paradigm? What, by handing new deals to last season's squad players? To veterans and crocks? Our most promising talent is Sam Morsy; so why is the Club allowing his contract to dwindle to an end? And if we're relying on Ariyibi, O'Neil, Dieseruvwe or Simons to plug the financial gaps no one seems to have a clue how to address, then I hope there're some gullible scouts out there.

I'm genuinely chuffed that we've finally strung a few wins together and recent recruits are playing better, I really am. However the accounts are far worse than I expected and all the assurances at last year's AGM appear empty spin.

Come on mate your getting a bit boring now, you know as well as I do we are a league 1 club that can't afford to turn money down like we were offered for players having nothing left (or not enough on contracts) to turn down or even negotiate, turnip as you call him did what he should have and given the impression we had no intention of selling to bump the price up which in effect seemed to work and the proof is there in the sale.

I would love to support a team that could stick to the guns 100% but we don't support real or barca or man city, we are who we are a non entity in British football pure and simple.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 06 November 2015 - 11:02 PM, said:

Heyup ode lad.
Where are you watching the cup tie?. I'm told the lounges won't be opening.

The points.....
we have the chance now to simplify the whole situation. Going forward from here, would you swap SEB, Novak, and Herd, for some other lower league players who may have potential, or not?. I wouldn't.

Yeah, I did notice that Carson went quiet on the subject which I took as an admittance it wasn't gonna happen.

I'll be 'round at a BT subscribed mate of mine's.

As for your references to the three players I'm struggling to see what point you're making. Who's said owt about swapping them with any lower league recruits?

a kick in the balls, on 06 November 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

Is there any point? Debate is impossible when you enter a thread.

your nonsense changes from day to day, and from person to person, depending upon whom your latest argument is with.

Arguing for the sake of, contradicting yourself on an almost daily basis, and refusing point blank to answer valid points made?

nah, your best of answered with "silly pictures"

Ignore him, 'AKITB'.

It's just the usual ducking, dodging, denial and deceit.

shaun1866, on 06 November 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

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Come on mate your getting a bit boring now, you know as well as I do we are a league 1 club that can't afford to turn money down like we were offered for players having nothing left (or not enough on contracts) to turn down or even negotiate, turnip as you call him did what he should have and given the impression we had no intention of selling to bump the price up which in effect seemed to work and the proof is there in the sale.

I would love to support a team that could stick to the guns 100% but we don't support real or barca or man city, we are who we are a non entity in British football pure and simple.

Ayup, Shaun.

Whilst I agree we're just a middle-of-the-road kinda outfit who'll always have our best assets targeted, my point is there's no pre-considered 'plan' as suggested by one or two on here. Sure there might've been at first but as losses mounted Allen made it clear he wanted his money back and would sell players to achieve that. Which is exactly what's happened. And given the recent accounts it's become evident the sales were necessary just to prevent another huge loss, too.

Did we get the best possible deals? Well Clucas and Darikwa are receiving high praise at their new clubs and it wouldn't surprise me if one or both are at a higher level in the not too distant future. Whether with their current outfit or another - infact I've heard the name of Manchester United mentioned in the same sentence as Darikwa. I guess at that point we'll be able to decide if what was negotiated was too good to turn down.

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Ayup, Shaun.

Whilst I agree we're just a middle-of-the-road kinda outfit who'll always have our best assets targeted, my point is there's no pre-considered 'plan' as suggested by one or two on here. Sure there might've been at first but as losses mounted Allen made it clear he wanted his money back and would sell players to achieve that. Which is exactly what's happened. And given the recent accounts it's become evident the sales were necessary just to prevent another huge loss, too.

Did we get the best possible deals? Well Clucas and Darikwa are receiving high praise at their new clubs and it wouldn't surprise me if one or both are at a higher level in the not too distant future. Whether with their current outfit or another - infact I've heard the name of Manchester United mentioned in the same sentence as Darikwa. I guess at that point we'll be able to decide if what was negotiated was too good to turn down.
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Eyup

Doesn't matter what teams are mentioned in the same sentence the length of their contracts we held determined the fees not their future clubs, can you remember Henry when he left Arsenal he went for pittance and he was the best striker in the world at the time same as RVP.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

'Eyup

Doesn't matter what teams are mentioned in the same sentence the length of their contracts we held determined the fees not their future clubs, can you remember Henry when he left Arsenal he went for pittance and he was the best striker in the world at the time same as RVP.'

Yeah, but both Doyle and Clucas were only months into far longer deals.

I'll repeat my point: Dave Allen is an extremely strong-minded - some might say stubborn - bloke who refuses to be forced into anything against his will. He said he was gonna sell players and did so - I just wish folk would accept that reality rather than trying to dress things up differently.

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MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 09:34 AM, said:

'Eyup

Doesn't matter what teams are mentioned in the same sentence the length of their contracts we held determined the fees not their future clubs, can you remember Henry when he left Arsenal he went for pittance and he was the best striker in the world at the time same as RVP.'

Yeah, but both Doyle and Clucas were only months into far longer deals.

I'll repeat my point: Dave Allen is an extremely strong-minded - some might say stubborn - bloke who refuses to be forced into anything against his will. He said he was gonna sell players and did so - I just wish folk would accept that reality rather than dress things up differently.

I'm certainly under no illusion that he will sell sell sell, that is plain as day to see.

Clucas was always going to go with the season he was having, he could have scored a hat full more but also could not have scored again all season and we would have lost out who knows, that in mind I wouldn't have gambled either for the money we were talking.

[Goku]

Clucas was a good deal, I didn't think we'd get that much for him.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 07 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Clucas was a good deal, I didn't think we'd get that much for him.

True, even if say he signs for Barca for £20,000,000 in a year or two we can't say we were robbed. £1.3 m for somebody signed for around 85k a few months earlier WAS good business!

[dim view]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 November 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Yeah, I did notice that Carson went quiet on the subject which I took as an admittance it wasn't gonna happen.

I'll be 'round at a BT subscribed mate of mine's.

As for your references to the three players I'm struggling to see what point you're making. Who's said owt about swapping them with any lower league recruits?

Shame, I could have bought you a pint.

Sorry about lack of clarity. My point is that after months of debate about how DS should have proceeded pre-season, we are where we are, and it's hard to argue that he got it wrong. Those who argue that the successful 'model' has not been adhered to are too impatient.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

Shame, I could have bought you a pint.

Sorry about lack of clarity. My point is that after months of debate about how DS should have proceeded pre-season, we are where we are, and it's hard to argue that he got it wrong. Those who argue that the successful 'model' has not been adhered to are too impatient.

Ah, I see, Dave.

Well I'm not sure how you can say 'it's hard to argue that he (Saunders) got it wrong' given inconsistencies of form, results, and players to whom this manager awarded contracts being subsequently sidelined.

As I said last week twenty three points is an encouraging buffer if mere survival is the aim; but shouldn't a club with a supposedly increased budget be more ambitious?.

And a 'successful model'? It was the Chairman himself who demanded entertaining football and spoke of a 'recruit cheap, develop, then sell for profit' paradigm. I'm struggling to see how some of what we've witnessed over the last few months really fits into that.

PS: I'm sure there'll be plenty more opportunities to buy me beer, my friend.

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dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

My point is that after months of debate about how DS should have proceeded pre-season, we are where we are, and it's hard to argue that he got it wrong. Those who argue that the successful 'model' has not been adhered to are too impatient.

Do you think any of our players, Morsy aside, have any transfer value?

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a kick in the balls, on 07 November 2015 - 01:19 PM, said:

Do you think any of our players, Morsy aside, have any transfer value?

Yep.
Tommy definitely.
Jayo and Gardner IF they can add a few goals.

[Wooden Spoon]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

Yep.
Tommy definitely.
Jayo and Gardner IF they can add a few goals.

Not so sure, I`m not convinced Tommy could play at a higher level.

So, currently 1 player has value. Possibly.

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a kick in the balls, on 07 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Not so sure, I`m not convinced Tommy could play at a higher level.

So, currently 1 player has value. Possibly.

You didn't ask who could play at a higher level. The Blunts could seal promotion by buying Tommy and Evo, for example.

You are surely not implying that if we had done some shopping in June we would now have sellable players?.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dim view, on 07 November 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

You didn't ask who could play at a higher level. The Blunts could seal promotion by buying Tommy and Evo, for example.

You are surely not implying that if we had done some shopping in June we would now have sellable players?.

How many months did it take for Clucas to first recoup, then significantly return the investment?