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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

Which is perfectly fine if you're not a pro-sportsman. I played with some real fatties in my youth who often had a good turn of pace!

My point is, these guys are pros. Even if they've been out injured they should still be in good shape, not match fit, but physically fit. And of the 3 only Herd has been out injured recently. SEB doewsn't look right to me. I think he's coasting. Novak less so, can't tell with Herd.

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

[Goku]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

Do flips

[calvin plummers socks]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

Conversely the performance by Novak at Coventry disturbed me as it was like a cart horse trundling along

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calvin plummers socks, on 05 November 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Conversely the performance by Novak at Coventry disturbed me as it was like a cart horse trundling along

I stand to be corrected but I believe he was carrying a knock from the very early part of the game.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

I think both Novak and SEB lack any kind of pace so they look "unfit"

[brianclose]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 05 November 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

I think both Novak and SEB lack any kind of pace so they look "unfit"

No doubt shedding a few pounds would make them both quicker as it would mean their legs weren't transporting as much upper body bulk.

And its not as if they win anything in the air anyway so they don't need all that bulk.

This post has been edited by brianclose: 05 November 2015 - 04:45 PM

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Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 05 November 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

I think both Novak and SEB lack any kind of pace so they look "unfit"

Ditto Evatt and Morsy on that basis and half the players in the League. I understand what you are saying though. Pace of course doesn't tell the full story for a footballer - there are many other attributes that go to make the complete player and very few have the lot.

PS Novak at Coventry - carrying knock on thigh after 5 minutes and didn't come out second half. Does that explain it Cps ? Things not always as they seem when a player isn't performing !

[calvin plummers socks]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 04:50 PM, said:

Ditto Evatt and Morsy on that basis and half the players in the League. I understand what you are saying though. Pace of course doesn't tell the full story for a footballer - there are many other attributes that go to make the complete player and very few have the lot.

PS Novak at Coventry - carrying knock on thigh after 5 minutes and didn't come out second half. Does that explain it Cps ? Things not always as they seem when a player isn't performing !

Do'h I do know that!
To play 40 mins with a knock is poor by medical team though /DS (if he did a Mourhinho)

[calvin plummers socks]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 05 November 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

I think both Novak and SEB lack any kind of pace so they look "unfit"

Good element of truth in that of course.
Easier to look leaner and therefore appear 'fitter' of course than to increase speed but Ebanks-Blake is neither really.
First thing I'm asked is can you make me faster (never can you help me get leaner)
He's never looked the part physically but as long as he is banging them in....

[brianclose]

calvin plummers socks, on 05 November 2015 - 05:21 PM, said:

Good element of truth in that of course.
Easier to look leaner and therefore appear 'fitter' of course than to increase speed but Ebanks-Blake is neither really.
First thing I'm asked is can you make me faster (never can you help me get leaner)
He's never looked the part physically but as long as he is banging them in....

As kevin arnott said though some fatties can shift - all to do with the 'fast twitch' muscles isn't it?

Would all fatties get quicker if they lost weight?

[calvin plummers socks]

brianclose, on 05 November 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

As kevin arnott said though some fatties can shift - all to do with the 'fast twitch' muscles isn't it?

Would all fatties get quicker if they lost weight?

Yep fatties can certainly shift (Geoff Capes beat Brendan Foster when at their peak as an old irrelevant example)!

If power to weight ratio was maintained then yes pretty much always

Speed definitely depends on the fast twitch muscles yes (a good phrase used is choose your parents carefully).

Anyone can get faster though (doesn't mean they wil break say 12 seconds though)

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calvin plummers socks, on 05 November 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Anyone can get faster though (doesn't mean they wil break say 12 seconds though)

That's a rapid mile!

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

You confuse someone having a good ninety minutes with being somewhere close to their optimum. I'm pointing out that if SEB is just getting fit then something is off, as he's been with us for a full pre-season. He hasn't been injured.

The rest of the squad haven't played any more or less than him since the end of last season. So why he is he just getting up to speed.

Personally, if he knocks in loads of goals he can eat as many pies as he likes; but lets not pretend these players weren't on their way 'down' for one reason or another. I hope they come good for us. though in the case of Herd & Novak, even if they do we might struggle to keep them beyond january and end of the season.

[calvin plummers socks]

boot, on 05 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

There has been nothing wrong with SEB's work rate or performances since Walsall away when it was obvious that he was up to speed after some admittedly worryingly poor performances. Novak alongside him for the first time was a big help. Anybody observing the work Novak put in in the 10 man performance against Colchester must be deluded if they don't think he is fit. As for recovering from injuries as in the case of Herd it can be a lengthy process following a long period out of the game; Evatt was a prime example. How are you supposed to maintain physical fitness when you are on crutches - perhaps you can tell us.

Of course you can maintain fitness whilst on crutches- do you think they just sit on their asses all day watching Homes under the hammer?

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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 05 November 2015 - 07:04 PM, said:

You confuse someone having a good ninety minutes with being somewhere close to their optimum. I'm pointing out that if SEB is just getting fit then something is off, as he's been with us for a full pre-season. He hasn't been injured.

The rest of the squad haven't played any more or less than him since the end of last season. So why he is he just getting up to speed.

Personally, if he knocks in loads of goals he can eat as many pies as he likes; but lets not pretend these players weren't on their way 'down' for one reason or another. I hope they come good for us. though in the case of Herd & Novak, even if they do we might struggle to keep them beyond january and end of the season.

I think Herd, Novac and SEB are coming good. It will be important to get Herd to extend his stay, at least to the end of the season. Using your logic that should be easy as no-one will want players so obviously on their way "down". Could it be you just don't want any of Saunders signings to be a success? Seems to me we have a real mix of experience and youth in the squad drawn from a wide background. Evett is on his way "down" by your criteria but is playing as well as I've seen since he came back to us and must be a real influence on Raglan who is one for the future.

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calvin plummers socks, on 05 November 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Conversely the performance by Novak at Coventry disturbed me as it was like a cart horse trundling along

thought u were telling us ure in london and only been once , yet uve been to fleetwood and coventry really

[60s 70s Spireite]

Half Full, on 05 November 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

I think Herd, Novac and SEB are coming good. It will be important to get Herd to extend his stay, at least to the end of the season. Using your logic that should be easy as no-one will want players so obviously on their way "down". Could it be you just don't want any of Saunders signings to be a success? Seems to me we have a real mix of experience and youth in the squad drawn from a wide background. Evett is on his way "down" by your criteria but is playing as well as I've seen since he came back to us and must be a real influence on Raglan who is one for the future.

The squad is not for the future, it's for the now. By all accounts the playing budget is higher than ever, and we have three players probably costing the most money who probably won't be here next season or even gone in January. The squad is about appeasing fans for a season, but where is the long term planning? How does the club make a profit from now on, I can't see any more sales for the foreseeable future, unless someone other than what we have seen makes a major break through.

Raglan looks like he is now to make way for Wood, so his 'development' is now on hold.

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warfey is a spireite, on 05 November 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

thought u were telling us ure in london and only been once , yet uve been to fleetwood and coventry really

Novak got taken off at HT at Coventry, that's probably why he wasn't at his best during that game. He was struggling with injury at the time and failed to make the next 4/5 matches.

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60s 70s Spireite, on 05 November 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

The squad is not for the future, it's for the now. By all accounts the playing budget is higher than ever, and we have three players probably costing the most money who probably won't be here next season or even gone in January. The squad is about appeasing fans for a season, but where is the long term planning? How does the club make a profit from now on, I can't see any more sales for the foreseeable future, unless someone other than what we have seen makes a major break through.

Raglan looks like he is now to make way for Wood, so his 'development' is now on hold.

Hear hear.

We're not all thick.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Half Full, on 05 November 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

I think Herd, Novac and SEB are coming good. It will be important to get Herd to extend his stay, at least to the end of the season. Using your logic that should be easy as no-one will want players so obviously on their way "down". Could it be you just don't want any of Saunders signings to be a success? Seems to me we have a real mix of experience and youth in the squad drawn from a wide background. Evett is on his way "down" by your criteria but is playing as well as I've seen since he came back to us and must be a real influence on Raglan who is one for the future.

Herd was unattached when we got him. SEB drifting from club to club. Novaks here cos Brum don't want to pay his wages. Just because you see the world through rose tinted glasses doesn't mean we all have to.

Evatt is just on a natural career progression. He's always held down a club or played when fit. Herd even before injury was flaky. SEB has been since he left Wolves. Don't shoot the messenger.

ps. Raglan has a first-touch like a barn door.