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calvin plummers socks, on 03 November 2015 - 11:34 PM, said:

Seb looks fit and sharp? Why planet are you on son?

Same planet as me. SEB covers a lot of ground during games. Not long runs but constantly making shorter runs into space in particular around the box. He is also tracking back and has made some important challenges recently. The midfield are getting better at finding him in the spaces but this has taken time. I don't think enough of our players can see his movement quickly enough to consistently find him but this is improving as they get used to playing with him. There is however little point in lumping high balls up to him as he will never consistent win these. Nor is he a Doyle type player running onto longer balls played into big gaps. We have Novak, Simmons and Manni for that.

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freelander2, on 02 November 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Did PC forget to offer terms to Nixon, Carr & Lynch at Portsmouth? Mmmm

Who's the guy still here? He declined it.

Mitchell?

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Half Full, on 04 November 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

Same planet as me. SEB covers a lot of ground during games. Not long runs but constantly making shorter runs into space in particular around the box. He is also tracking back and has made some important challenges recently. The midfield are getting better at finding him in the spaces but this has taken time. I don't think enough of our players can see his movement quickly enough to consistently find him but this is improving as they get used to playing with him. There is however little point in lumping high balls up to him as he will never consistent win these. Nor is he a Doyle type player running onto longer balls played into big gaps. We have Novak, Simmons and Manni for that.

Agreed, SEBs style does not involve making long runs out wide or behind defences. He's an out and out penalty box goal poacher, and he has consistently made short, clever runs to find space in and around the opposition box. That's why he's often looked totally exasperated when he's found a space and just needs a quick, short pass in to his feet or chest only to see the pass float a yard above his head for a giant CB to head out - it must have happened at least a dozen times away at Coventry where their CB Reda Johnson was laughing at him and SEB was visibly cheesed off. I hope his team mates can supply him with the right sort of passes from now on - if they do, SEB will notch up 20 or more over the season, and provide a lot of assists by cleverly laying the ball off for others when he can't get a shot in himself.

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calvin plummers socks, on 03 November 2015 - 11:34 PM, said:

Seb looks fit and sharp? Why planet are you on son?

I'm assuming you didn't go to Fleetwood, but SEB put in a tremendous amount of work, not just the short runs into the box, but tracking back and drifting out wider.
Why is everybody so ready to criticise our players? Legitimate criticism is fine, but at least wait until they've had a fair chance to get match fit and settle in.

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I did go- he worked hard and thought he played well.
He is certainly not as 'fit and sharp' as he was a season or two ago.
I'm really pleased he's scoring for us- I'm sure Mal will have him fitter and leaner though - was a little surprised at how comparatively unfit compared to the rest of the team looked.

In terms of 'match fit' as you put it- he has played in about 7 games hasn't he?

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calvin plummers socks, on 04 November 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

I did go- he worked hard and thought he played well.
He is certainly not as 'fit and sharp' as he was a season or two ago.
I'm really pleased he's scoring for us- I'm sure Mal will have him fitter and leaner though - was a little surprised at how comparatively unfit compared to the rest of the team looked.

In terms of 'match fit' as you put it- he has played in about 7 games hasn't he?

To be fair not many players over 25 will be as fit as they were 2 years ago. With players like SEB, I think they often make up for it by using their experience to be one step ahead of defenders, anticipating where the ball might go. If you start moving to where the ball will arrive before the defender starts moving it doesn't matter if he's faster than you as you can still beat him to it. DS alluded to this skill when he was talking about the goal at Fleetwood; he said it wasn't by accident SEB was on the spot for the rebound off the bar - it was experience and anticipation that got him there before any defender. As I've already said, SEB can get a bucketful of goals this season if we keep getting the right balls into the opposition box, and he won't have to be a lightning fast sprinter to do it. Within reason, a bit of extra weight will actually help him to hold defenders off - perfectly illustrated v Barnsley with his goal and two assists where the defenders just couldn't knock him off the ball.

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Got to laugh at some of these comments.

I could see the moobs on SEB, Novak & Herd form the back of the East Stand 10 days ago!

Time to get match fit!? We're over a third of the way into the season!!!

Seriously peeps, try turning up to your job and saying you're not quite capable of performing it and see what happens. No wonder some footballers act like they don't give a monkeys.

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You might see moobs on Novak, but you won't see anybody work harder

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SEB could probs give you a titw**k tbh

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lindo-spireite, on 04 November 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

You might see moobs on Novak, but you won't see anybody work harder

Doesn't change the fact that he's out of shape. Plus, were he in better shape he would be able to work harder. That's just common sense.

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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 04 November 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Got to laugh at some of these comments.

I could see the moobs on SEB, Novak & Herd form the back of the East Stand 10 days ago!

Time to get match fit!? We're over a third of the way into the season!!!

Seriously peeps, try turning up to your job and saying you're not quite capable of performing it and see what happens. No wonder some footballers act like they don't give a monkeys.

There aren't any unfit players out there - if there were they wouldn't last 15 minutes. Match fitness is something else and a lot to do with mental approach as well as physical, especially when coming back from career-threatening injuries.
If you're seeing 'moobs' from the back of the East stand, they're yours.

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h again, on 04 November 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

There aren't any unfit players out there - if there were they wouldn't last 15 minutes.

What a daft comment that really is.
Have you not considered comparative fitness?

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calvin plummers socks, on 04 November 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

What a daft comment that really is.
Have you not considered comparative fitness?

Seems fairly straightforward to me. SEB, Herd, Novak and Talbot are getting fitter each game and are now reaching the point where they are as fit as the rest of the team. This now means their ability and quality is becoming more evident. Real question now is can they stay fit.

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h again, on 04 November 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

There aren't any unfit players out there - if there were they wouldn't last 15 minutes. Match fitness is something else and a lot to do with mental approach as well as physical, especially when coming back from career-threatening injuries.
If you're seeing 'moobs' from the back of the East stand, they're yours.

People play sunday league for 90 mins!

It's about being as close to peak physical performance as possible/feasible, which isn't too much to ask of professional sportsmen. I can't see any of our players from last season in that sort of shape. There's a reason those players are at Chesterfield rather than Championship sides.

There is however no reason after months of training and playing to be out of shape, to not be match fit is understandable, to be carrying excess weight isn't. When rumour has it they're high earners compared to the rest I shouldn't thing that goes well with the rest of the side.

Furthermore, once Novak and Herd get fit, if they do, then they'll most likely be on their way anyway. We could never afford Novaks wages. That's the model you're fond of though. So I'm sure you'll approve.

Your most recent comment is right up there with the '4-2-4' formation.

** No moobs on me sunshine. I'll play you at cupties anyday.

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calvin plummers socks, on 04 November 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

What a daft comment that really is.
Have you not considered comparative fitness?

There are no unfit players out there - but for the pedantically minded, some are fitter than others.
Talk about hard work.

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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 04 November 2015 - 09:06 PM, said:

People play sunday league for 90 mins!

It's about being as close to peak physical performance as possible/feasible, which isn't too much to ask of professional sportsmen. I can't see any of our players from last season in that sort of shape. There's a reason those players are at Chesterfield rather than Championship sides.

There is however no reason after months of training and playing to be out of shape, to not be match fit is understandable, to be carrying excess weight isn't. When rumour has it they're high earners compared to the rest I shouldn't thing that goes well with the rest of the side.

Furthermore, once Novak and Herd get fit, if they do, then they'll most likely be on their way anyway. We could never afford Novaks wages. That's the model you're fond of though. So I'm sure you'll approve.

Your most recent comment is right up there with the '4-2-4' formation.

** No moobs on me sunshine. I'll play you at cupties anyday.

Yes - long term injuries, except in the case of Novak who's only on loan. Which explains the struggle to get back to match fitness. As for carrying excess weight, Herd plainly isn't and SEB was that shape when he was top-scoring in the Championship, so it's obviously just his build.
But I'll happily admit you're right when you produce the figures for the excess weight they're carrying.
You do have figures, do you? Or is it just another attempted put down of CFC players?

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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 04 November 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Got to laugh at some of these comments.

I could see the moobs on SEB, Novak & Herd form the back of the East Stand 10 days ago!

Drew must be 36C cup, given his injuries. You forgot to mention him.

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h again, on 04 November 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

I'm assuming you didn't go to Fleetwood, but SEB put in a tremendous amount of work, not just the short runs into the box, but tracking back and drifting out wider.
Why is everybody so ready to criticise our players? Legitimate criticism is fine, but at least wait until they've had a fair chance to get match fit and settle in.

A fair chance to get match fit and settle in?

He was Saunders's first signing. Full pre-season!

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KevinArnottsGoldenBoot, on 04 November 2015 - 09:06 PM, said:

People play sunday league for 90 mins!

It's about being as close to peak physical performance as possible/feasible, which isn't too much to ask of professional sportsmen. I can't see any of our players from last season in that sort of shape. There's a reason those players are at Chesterfield rather than Championship sides.

There is however no reason after months of training and playing to be out of shape, to not be match fit is understandable, to be carrying excess weight isn't. When rumour has it they're high earners compared to the rest I shouldn't thing that goes well with the rest of the side.

Furthermore, once Novak and Herd get fit, if they do, then they'll most likely be on their way anyway. We could never afford Novaks wages. That's the model you're fond of though. So I'm sure you'll approve.

Your most recent comment is right up there with the '4-2-4' formation.

** No moobs on me sunshine. I'll play you at cupties anyday.

I've only got the one, which is odd. Still, if we're having a round of cupties...


On a serious note, H has a very valid point about SEB. Even at his most prolific he has packing some curvature. I'm sure CPS will have a much better understanding of this than I do but from my very, very limited experience of playing the game, I've come up against chaps with undeniable guts who were fast, strong and we're still running about the place with barely a sweat on whilst I was praying for either the final whistle or a sniper to put me out of my misery.

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Jud, on 04 November 2015 - 11:20 PM, said:

I've only got the one, which is odd. Still, if we're having a round of cupties...


On a serious note, H has a very valid point about SEB. Even at his most prolific he has packing some curvature. I'm sure CPS will have a much better understanding of this than I do but from my very, very limited experience of playing the game, I've come up against chaps with undeniable guts who were fast, strong and we're still running about the place with barely a sweat on whilst I was praying for either the final whistle or a sniper to put me out of my misery.

Which is perfectly fine if you're not a pro-sportsman. I played with some real fatties in my youth who often had a good turn of pace!

My point is, these guys are pros. Even if they've been out injured they should still be in good shape, not match fit, but physically fit. And of the 3 only Herd has been out injured recently. SEB doewsn't look right to me. I think he's coasting. Novak less so, can't tell with Herd.