[Search & Destroy]

Torteval, on 02 August 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

A pretty good summary of where the finances are, I would think. Or at least, where they should be.

The big question is how likely do you think it is that the net position is that we've repaid £2.5m of debt? Some are concerned that the sheer number of players offloaded may indicate that there are more hidden losses in the business.

I don't know about that, players are being sold because they did well last year and have been offered better deals at wealthier clubs, I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

Indeed, if we get a reputation as a club that develops young players then that can only be positive.

But it seems the conveyor belt has stopped.

[Wooden Spoon]

Search and Destroy said:

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I don't know about that, players are being sold because they did well last year and have been offered better deals at wealthier clubs, I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

Indeed, if we get a reputation as a club that develops young players then that can only be positive.

But it seems the conveyor belt has stopped.

Maybe maybe not.
The 2 young lads signed recently, ariyibi, raglan, maybe in a year or two could be heading the same way as TD

[Westbars Spireite]

Spireite Rob, on 02 August 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Wow, such a long time since I messaged on this board. Had to remember my password.

This debate really got me thinking. I gave up on CFC when Paul Cook was made manager. I said to my Girlfirend and I quote "If this cheap option of a manager gets us promotion, I'll buy a season ticket for next year!" (She, unlike me, has faith and a season ticket for this season.) Last season in accordance with my bet I purchased a season ticket, not in a million years expecting to do so. Last season was good, but I wouldn't dream of spending another £400 on Chesterfield FC. Its too much. Between the ages of 22-28 I went everywhere watching Chesterfield, home and away. I went to Brighton when Town won 2-1 thanks to Niven and Folan. I went to Yeovil when Adam Smith broke through and we won 3-1. I went everywhere. But it got boring and it remains boring to me. Even last season, remember the Walsall match at home, I fell asleep!

What do Chesterfield do, get promotion from league 2, and then get relegated from league one. Its a steady business plan, that has kept CFC here. I do not believe Chesterfield FC have any other ambition than that. TD going is brilliant for him I hope he does well, its the same with SC, you cant blame the lad. Paul Cook built a good side and proved me very wrong, but we are no Portsmouth and never will be. We can only dream of their attendances and therefore have to sell players to keep the books balanced. Paul Cook did right by Paul Cook, and to believe a word of the five year plan is simply daft. Our chairman wants to keep you going to pay back his loan interest. If I had a regular 5% coming in on the money he has lent the club, so would I! It's simply the society that we live in.

My point is this, if you want to buy season ticket after season ticket and be the core 4000, good! I did it and its an amazing at times. If you want to go when you can afford it, good, your a fan and that's it. If you go when they are doing well, good, its what being proud of your town is all about. It doesn't matter. I will be there Saturday, only because someone isn't going and I'm on their season ticket...Does it matter...no!

Finally, I had an amazing time at Royal Ascot for two days with my £400 instead, those two days were IMHO better than any of the 23 matches I attended at home last season. There are other things to spend your money on....Up the Spireties!

Doesn't sound like you really like football.

[CFC91]

Spireite Rob, on 02 August 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Wow, such a long time since I messaged on this board. Had to remember my password.

This debate really got me thinking. I gave up on CFC when Paul Cook was made manager. I said to my Girlfirend and I quote "If this cheap option of a manager gets us promotion, I'll buy a season ticket for next year!" (She, unlike me, has faith and a season ticket for this season.) Last season in accordance with my bet I purchased a season ticket, not in a million years expecting to do so. Last season was good, but I wouldn't dream of spending another £400 on Chesterfield FC. Its too much. Between the ages of 22-28 I went everywhere watching Chesterfield, home and away. I went to Brighton when Town won 2-1 thanks to Niven and Folan. I went to Yeovil when Adam Smith broke through and we won 3-1. I went everywhere. But it got boring and it remains boring to me. Even last season, remember the Walsall match at home, I fell asleep!

What do Chesterfield do, get promotion from league 2, and then get relegated from league one. Its a steady business plan, that has kept CFC here. I do not believe Chesterfield FC have any other ambition than that. TD going is brilliant for him I hope he does well, its the same with SC, you cant blame the lad. Paul Cook built a good side and proved me very wrong, but we are no Portsmouth and never will be. We can only dream of their attendances and therefore have to sell players to keep the books balanced. Paul Cook did right by Paul Cook, and to believe a word of the five year plan is simply daft. Our chairman wants to keep you going to pay back his loan interest. If I had a regular 5% coming in on the money he has lent the club, so would I! It's simply the society that we live in.

My point is this, if you want to buy season ticket after season ticket and be the core 4000, good! I did it and its an amazing at times. If you want to go when you can afford it, good, your a fan and that's it. If you go when they are doing well, good, its what being proud of your town is all about. It doesn't matter. I will be there Saturday, only because someone isn't going and I'm on their season ticket...Does it matter...no!

Finally, I had an amazing time at Royal Ascot for two days with my £400 instead, those two days were IMHO better than any of the 23 matches I attended at home last season. There are other things to spend your money on....Up the Spireties!

Think you are on the money here. Can always relate to what you're saying too - was also at the aforementioned Brighton and Yeovil games (took me 5 minutes to realise he had been sent off we were that far from the pitch). When I started going properly always used to here the "Chesterfield could never afford to go up" line - too much investment in the ground, squad and staff would be needed. I did think the new ground would change that but it hasn't and youre right..it is getting a little boring. Ive no intention of travelling the length and breadth of the country now - there are other things to spend money on that won't annoy you in my spare time!

[Wooden Spoon]

Torteval said:

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A pretty good summary of where the finances are, I would think. Or at least, where they should be.

The big question is how likely do you think it is that the net position is that we've repaid £2.5m of debt? Some are concerned that the sheer number of players offloaded may indicate that there are more hidden losses in the business.

Most of the Doyle and Cooper fee(less the %to Hull) went on covering running losses.

When turner speaks, listen to what he say, not what he doesn't say. He didn't say last year that the club was trading in the black month to month. He said we are trading in the black. This was just after selling Cooper. This year he says he hasn't had to ask the chairman to put money in for the first time he has been here. He didn't say the debts are being reduced.

The 70/30 split. He says it goes into the pot for the players budget. If we are already over budget, then the 30% isn't going to get new players! it's just covering the shortfall.

The new accounts won't include TD or SC sales. And the debts won't be down by very much at all.

[Search & Destroy]

a kick in the balls, on 03 August 2015 - 03:26 PM, said:

Most of the Doyle and Cooper fee(less the %to Hull) went on covering running losses.

When turner speaks, listen to what he say, not what he doesn't say. He didn't say last year that the club was trading in the black month to month. He said we are trading in the black. This was just after selling Cooper. This year he says he hasn't had to ask the chairman to put money in for the first time he has been here. He didn't say the debts are being reduced.

The 70/30 split. He says it goes into the pot for the players budget. If we are already over budget, then the 30% isn't going to get new players! it's just covering the shortfall.

The new accounts won't include TD or SC sales. And the debts won't be down by very much at all.

If the 30% is covering the shortfall then the remaining 70% is paying off the debt?

Who knows how much damage they are doing, too much smokescreen and half truths, I'll leave them too it.

This post has been edited by Search and Destroy: 03 August 2015 - 03:40 PM

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Search and Destroy, on 03 August 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

If the 30% is covering the shortfall then the remaining 70% is paying off the debt?

Who knows how much damage they are doing, too much smokescreen and half truths, I'll leave them too it.

Time for AC to make an appearance on the message board and Ashley no smoke screens or smiley things. Just have the balls to tell us the big picture - I for one would admire a straight forward answer and accept the situation what ever it may be. Maybe the info would show certain individuals in a bad light but come on cfc STOP WHAFFLING.

[Phil V 72]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 03 August 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

Time for AC to make an appearance on the message board and Ashley no smoke screens or smiley things. Just have the balls to tell us the big picture - I for one would admire a straight forward answer and accept the situation what ever it may be. Maybe the info would show certain individuals in a bad light but come on cfc STOP WHAFFLING.

My question to the club is "if you knew cost cutting and player sales were necessary, why didn't you make clear your business plan before asking fans to purchase season tickets?"

[DIFH]

Phil V 72, on 03 August 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

My question to the club is "if you knew cost cutting and player sales were necessary, why didn't you make clear your business plan before asking fans to purchase season tickets?"

What a daft B****Y question Phil

[SpireiteFitzy]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 03 August 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

Time for AC to make an appearance on the message board and Ashley no smoke screens or smiley things. Just have the balls to tell us the big picture - I for one would admire a straight forward answer and accept the situation what ever it may be. Maybe the info would show certain individuals in a bad light but come on cfc STOP WHAFFLING.

Yeah cause he's going to set himself up like that. No win for him at all.

[Phil V 72]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 03 August 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

What a daft B****Y question Phil

I just want to see them try to answer without giving the actual reason

[DIFH]

Phil V 72, on 03 August 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

I just want to see them try to answer without giving the actual reason

Have you received your 'Winning Express' text ? apparently you can invest in this thoroughly beneficial venture.

[Phil V 72]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 03 August 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Have you received your 'Winning Express' text ? apparently you can invest in this thoroughly beneficial venture.

Yes, I swore at the phone and deleted it.

[sophocles]

Phil V 72, on 03 August 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

My question to the club is "if you knew cost cutting and player sales were necessary, why didn't you make clear your business plan before asking fans to purchase season tickets?"

For those with eyes to see they DID make it clear ages ago by letting the most prolific striker in the country go while we were in with a good chance of promotion. As I pointed out on here at the time they might as well have spelled it out on a giant banner in front of the Proact. Of course club officials are going to try to waffle and gloss over the truth, but it has been crystal clear since Doyle travelled down to Cardiff. All these posters rattling on about us bringing in better players and the squad being stronger, and aiming for another top 6 finish have either been too trusting or genuinely deluded. Dean Saunders will have performed a miracle if he avoids relegation in the rapidly approaching season.

This post has been edited by sophocles: 03 August 2015 - 04:21 PM

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a kick in the balls said:

1438553916[/url]"]1438553916[/url]' post='[url="tel:[url="tel:1134853"]1134853[/url]"]1134853[/url]']Maybe maybe not. The 2 young lads signed recently, ariyibi, raglan, maybe in a year or two could be heading the same way as TD

Ye agree but we need some quality players too now

This post has been edited by spireitewolf: 03 August 2015 - 04:23 PM

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Dave In Footie Heaven, on 03 August 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Have you received your 'Winning Express' text ? apparently you can invest in this thoroughly beneficial venture.

Had my email apparently it's "win win"
I subscribed for emails from the club admittedly, but from a CFC gambling syndicate?
Give me strength

[Cartman]

sophocles, on 03 August 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

For those with eyes to see they DID make it clear ages ago by letting the most prolific striker in the country go while we were in with a good chance of promotion. As I pointed out on here at the time they might as well have spelled it out on a giant banner in front of the Proact. Of course club officials are going to try to waffle and gloss over the truth, but it has been crystal clear since Doyle travelled down to Cardiff. All these posters rattling on about us bringing in better players and the squad being stronger, and aiming for another top 6 finish have either been too trusting or genuinely deluded. Dean Saunders will have performed a miracle if he avoids relegation in the rapidly approaching season.

change the record!

All your banging on about the Doyle sale does not change the fact that we finished top 6 without him, won games and played well without him

He wanted to go up the divisions and we accepted an offer, his sale has nothing to do with what has happened (or not happened this pre season)

We have proved we can play and do well without Doyle, we have not proved we can play well and do well without Ryan, Roberts, (who incidently was a far bigger loss when injured than Doyle was when sold) Darwikra and Clucas (and potentially Morsy)

[sophocles]

Cartman, on 03 August 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

change the record!

All your banging on about the Doyle sale does not change the fact that we finished top 6 without him, won games and played well without him

He wanted to go up the divisions and we accepted an offer, his sale has nothing to do with what has happened (or not happened this pre season)

We have proved we can play and do well without Doyle, we have not proved we can play well and do well without Ryan, Roberts, (who incidently was a far bigger loss when injured than Doyle was when sold) Darwikra and Clucas (and potentially Morsy)

Sorry to hit a sore spot, but I'm afraid I think it continues to be relevant. It was the first big step on the road to financial retrenchment which ultimately brought us to our present position. The sale of Doyle, therefore is absolutely relevant right now and I don't propose to ignore facts just because you don't like them. I've noticed plenty of posters mentioning the Brown era in great detail - and that was much longer ago, but still needs to be remembered as a significant episode in the history of the club. I'd be grateful, therefore, if you would stop griping every time such a significant event as the start of the fire sale that has brought us to our present position is mentioned. By the way, the 'we did ok without Doyle' line is irrelevant nonsense, as a 5 year - old could tell you that we would obviously have done even better WITH him.

This post has been edited by sophocles: 03 August 2015 - 06:21 PM

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sophocles, on 03 August 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

Sorry to hit a sore spot, but I'm afraid I think it continues to be relevant. It was the first big step on the road to financial retrenchment which ultimately brought us to our present position. The sale of Doyle, therefore is absolutely relevant right now and I don't propose to ignore facts just because you don't like them. I've noticed plenty of posters mentioning the Brown era in great detail - and that was much longer ago, but still needs to be remembered as a significant episode in the history of the club. I'd be grateful, therefore, if you would stop griping every time such a significant event as the start of the fire sale that has brought us to our present position is mentioned. By the way, the 'we did ok without Doyle' line is irrelevant nonsense, as 5 year - old could tell you that we would obviously have done even better WITH him.

you simply cannot say that as we don't know how he would have done had he stayed, strikers can go on droughts, they can get injured etc etc

it is infact logic of a 5 year old just to simply say, if Doyle had stayed we'd have done even better than 6th

Doyle's sale is irrelevant to this pre season, it is old news and we proved we were a good team without him

Ryan, Roberts, Darwikra, Clucas (and possibly Morsy) leaving are very relevant as none have been replaced and we have no idea how the squad will perform without them


Your posts are boring and pathetic, your view is nonsense, you keep banging on about Doyle as you prophecised doom as soon he was sold and you are probably gutted that you were wrong, and not just a bit wrong but massively wrong as the team got into the play offs - your constant bringing up of a player sale from January is idiotic and more stupid than any RPL post ever!

You may as well start bringing letting Jack Lester go, or not signing Higdon or the sale of Jamie Ward as they are just as relevant to the predicament we are in this pre season as the Doyle transfer - i.e. not at all

You were wrong about Doyle's sale, and you continue to bring attention to that fact by bringing it up EVERY post you make - accept you were wrong, move on and concentrate on what is happening now!

And nothing to do with a sore spot, and I am sure you are not normally this dumb, but stupidity needs challenging!

This post has been edited by Cartman: 03 August 2015 - 06:28 PM

[sophocles]

Cartman, on 03 August 2015 - 06:28 PM, said:

you simply cannot say that as we don't know how he would have done had he stayed, strikers can go on droughts, they can get injured etc etc

it is infact logic of a 5 year old just to simply say, if Doyle had stayed we'd have done even better than 6th

Doyle's sale is irrelevant to this pre season, it is old news and we proved we were a good team without him

Ryan, Roberts, Darwikra, Clucas (and possibly Morsy) leaving are very relevant as none have been replaced and we have no idea how the squad will perform without them


Your posts are boring and pathetic, your view is nonsense, you keep banging on about Doyle as you prophecised doom as soon he was sold and you are probably gutted that you were wrong, and not just a bit wrong but massively wrong as the team got into the play offs - your constant bringing up of a player sale from January is idiotic and more stupid than any RPL post ever!

You may as well start bringing letting Jack Lester go, or not signing Higdon or the sale of Jamie Ward as they are just as relevant to the predicament we are in this pre season as the Doyle transfer - i.e. not at all

You were wrong about Doyle's sale, and you continue to bring attention to that fact by bringing it up EVERY post you make - accept you were wrong, move on and concentrate on what is happening now!

And nothing to do with a sore spot, and I am sure you are not normally this dumb, but stupidity needs challenging!

If you extracted your head from the sand for a moment you might notice that what is happening now ie starting a new season in total disarray, is a direct result of the selling spree that started with Doyle (or Cooper if you prefer). Not sure why you're so sensitive about the point, I'm sure you'll get over it eventually. By the way, I was extremely happy that we made the play-offs, but disappointed that we messed them up mainly because Preston had a clinical striker, and the one who could have made all the difference for us had been sold and not adequately replaced. Now you are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else, but to say that the most prolific striker in the country would probably have made no difference to our results, is clearly far more illogical than saying, as I do, that the most prolific striker in the country probably would have given us more chance of success. Your so - called argument is extremely weak from a logical perspective.