[Mr Mercury]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 November 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

There will be fall guys as time goes on - it's the nature of it. At the moment he and Dan Gardner have question marks next to their names. If Ollie is to force his way in it won't be in the middle - not sure where he played at Rotherham/FC United but his role last season seemed perfect for him. He doesn't have it in him to play in the middle two. It's not a criticism particularly, just how it goes.

Before his injury at Wembley he'd been a breath of fresh air, I feel the lack of game time, along with him just getting back into contention for a first team place, coinciding with our recent blip, AND the elevation of loanee Johnson to legendary status as resulted in a recent "shining light" of our own becoming somewhat of a scape goat.

[h again]

Westbars Spireite, on 23 November 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

There will be fall guys as time goes on - it's the nature of it. At the moment he and Dan Gardner have question marks next to their names. If Ollie is to force his way in it won't be in the middle - not sure where he played at Rotherham/FC United but his role last season seemed perfect for him. He doesn't have it in him to play in the middle two. It's not a criticism particularly, just how it goes.

Not a defensive midfielder and may never be, since he doesn't know how to tackle or position himself there, though he's got time to learn.
Best in the hole just behind the striker, but so are a lot of others. He needs games to get his confidence back - perhaps a loan?

[Westbars Spireite]

h again, on 23 November 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Not a defensive midfielder and may never be, since he doesn't know how to tackle or position himself there, though he's got time to learn.
Best in the hole just behind the striker, but so are a lot of others. He needs games to get his confidence back - perhaps a loan?

Maybe. Ideally a side who plays the same formation we do and who would slot him in the space you mention. It's a tough one for Banks though 'cos he's typecast himself into that position for me.

He can't tackle but we know he can shoot and get into goalscoring positions and we know he's reasonable in the air.

[Beelzebub]

Mr Mercury, on 23 November 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

f our own becoming somewhat of a scape goat.

Well there has to be one, it's in the rules. Haven't you been paying attention?

[Goku]

Basically youre not allowed to criticise a player because that automatically turn s them into a scapegoat

[lindo-spireite]

Banks has been poor for a very long time, just because people notice it doesn't mean they want a scapegoat

[dim view]

lindo-spireite, on 24 November 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Banks has been poor for a very long time, just because people notice it doesn't mean they want a scapegoat

Not true. He was excellent at Doncaster and, in spite of his ungainly attempts at tackling, he did a lot of very good defensive work on Satday (as did Clucas), which goes unnoticed. The fact remains though that he needs to operate further up the field.

[JonB]

Banks was excellent last season in that central role further forward. He was mobile enough to get forward and support the striker whilst also having an eye for goal. He then gets injured missing the run in which in turn knocks him down the pecking order for his favoured position and when he gets a chance on Saturday its in an unfamiliar role. I think its fair to say he struggled and the game passed him by a bit if only because of him being unfamiliar with how to play the role in there. I dont think he is becoming a scapegoat but when he gets another go in his favoured role he needs to grasp it. He hasnt become a worse player than he was last season overnight but just been out of the side and it showed.

[longeatonspireite]

Criticising players is not my way I agree he had a good game at Doncaster...but Banks added nothing on Saturday. His whole stature and body language makes him look out of his depth when we play stronger teams. Tackling is not is forte, the one thing that really makes him look stupid is when he watches his man rather than jumping and making it his. I dont get it when people say he is not playing in his ideal position. Where he is playing at the moment... central just in front of the back four he just looks a passenger, no energy, fails to jump, just adds nothing, we are playing with 10 men. Am I missing something?

[Tha Knows...]

longeatonspireite, on 24 November 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

Criticising players is not my way I agree he had a good game at Doncaster...but Banks added nothing on Saturday. His whole stature and body language makes him look out of his depth when we play stronger teams. Tackling is not is forte, the one thing that really makes him look stupid is when he watches his man rather than jumping and making it his. I dont get it when people say he is not playing in his ideal position. Where he is playing at the moment... central just in front of the back four he just looks a passenger, no energy, fails to jump, just adds nothing, we are playing with 10 men. Am I missing something?

Thought we were weaker after the subs were made. But it's not his position, he looked quality when he played in the hole last season, good touch and vision, won headers and scored a few. I haven't written him off.

[azul]

longeatonspireite, on 24 November 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

Criticising players is not my way I agree he had a good game at Doncaster...but Banks added nothing on Saturday. His whole stature and body language makes him look out of his depth when we play stronger teams. Tackling is not is forte, the one thing that really makes him look stupid is when he watches his man rather than jumping and making it his. I dont get it when people say he is not playing in his ideal position. Where he is playing at the moment... central just in front of the back four he just looks a passenger, no energy, fails to jump, just adds nothing, we are playing with 10 men. Am I missing something?

Am I missing something?

He started in Morsy's position for the first time on Saturday, you make it sound like he plays there a lot

He played ahead of Morsy and Ryan most of the time last season, that is where he looked most impressive, that's why people claim it isn't his ideal position and that claim is justified on rhat basis

[Westbars Spireite]

You're right. He arguably shouldn't have started in that position on Saturday and likely wouldn't have if we'd had any other alternative. If Hird had been fit I suspect he'd have been ahead of Banks for that role.

He needs a run of games in his best position which doesn't seem likely at the moment, hence a loan move to League Two being my preferred option.

[longeatonspireite]

azul, on 24 November 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Am I missing something?

He started in Morsy's position for the first time on Saturday, you make it sound like he plays there a lot

He played ahead of Morsy and Ryan most of the time last season, that is where he looked most impressive, that's why people claim it isn't his ideal position and that claim is justified on rhat basis

Banks has never looked impressive for ages. His best game was at Doncaster in a team of of youngsters and against a team stuggling. You are right Banks' position is not where he played on Saturday, but almost anyone in the squad could have done a better job. He takes things too easy for my liking and needs to show more urgency and passion. Boco or Gardner would have done better and its not their position either. We played with 10 men.

[Tha Knows...]

longeatonspireite, on 24 November 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Banks has never looked impressive for ages. His best game was at Doncaster in a team of of youngsters and against a team stuggling. You are right Banks' position is not where he played on Saturday, but almost anyone in the squad could have done a better job. He takes things too easy for my liking and needs to show more urgency and passion. Boco or Gardner would have done better and its not their position either. We played with 10 men.

Harsh, and wrong imo

[azul]

longeatonspireite, on 24 November 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Banks has never looked impressive for ages. His best game was at Doncaster in a team of of youngsters and against a team stuggling. You are right Banks' position is not where he played on Saturday, but almost anyone in the squad could have done a better job. He takes things too easy for my liking and needs to show more urgency and passion. Boco or Gardner would have done better and its not their position either. We played with 10 men.

Correct, since the end of April 2013 at Wenbley!!!!!!

He had no preseason, then scored a stonker with just about his first touch of a football in over 4 months and has fed off scraps since

I had a look on Soccerbase and he's had 5 starts and 9 sub appearances totalling a little under 500 minutes (equivalent of about 5.5 games in 8 months.

I'm disappointed at his lack of progress this season especially as he looked the real deal last year but it would be foolhardy to right him off at this stage

He is another that needs to get out of loan, clubs would snap him up but we don't have the bodies to allow that

This post has been edited by azul: 24 November 2014 - 04:32 PM

[azul]

Spire-Power, on 24 November 2014 - 03:44 PM, said:

Harsh, and wrong imo

Indeed he looked impressive when he came on against Preston and Doncaster

Someone else pointed out that we didn't improve (we went backwards) when he went off against Barnsley, coincidence maybe, or maybe not

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Mr Mercury, on 23 November 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Before his injury at Wembley he'd been a breath of fresh air, I feel the lack of game time, along with him just getting back into contention for a first team place, coinciding with our recent blip, AND the elevation of loanee Johnson to legendary status as resulted in a recent "shining light" of our own becoming somewhat of a scape goat.

When you are going through a bad patch, coming back from injury, struggling for form, the fans will stick by you IF they can see you busting a gut and playing with the pride of the shirt. If all 11 come off at the end of the game having given their all, if we've lost to a better side then fair enough, the fans will accept it etc. I don't think there has been much evidence of effort on Banks' part in the games he's had.

When he first started he was all over the place. He now looks like he's "made it" flash hair cut, flash boots and is strolling through games, possibly thinking he is better than he is. There are a fair few clubs above town in the pyramid but there are a hell of a lot more lower if the trend continues. Just my opinion of course before all the red ones come along, everyone is entitled to one lol

I hope he gets back to the player that got stuck in and was a goal threat

[Mr Mercury]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 24 November 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

When you are going through a bad patch, coming back from injury, struggling for form, the fans will stick by you IF they can see you busting a gut and playing with the pride of the shirt. If all 11 come off at the end of the game having given their all, if we've lost to a better side then fair enough, the fans will accept it etc. I don't think there has been much evidence of effort on Banks' part in the games he's had.

When he first started he was all over the place. He now looks like he's "made it" flash hair cut, flash boots and is strolling through games, possibly thinking he is better than he is. There are a fair few clubs above town in the pyramid but there are a hell of a lot more lower if the trend continues. Just my opinion of course before all the red ones come along, everyone is entitled to one lol

I hope he gets back to the player that got stuck in and was a goal threat

You deserve a red for that but it's not in my nature mate..

[Goku]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 24 November 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

When you are going through a bad patch, coming back from injury, struggling for form, the fans will stick by you IF they can see you busting a gut and playing with the pride of the shirt. If all 11 come off at the end of the game having given their all, if we've lost to a better side then fair enough, the fans will accept it etc. I don't think there has been much evidence of effort on Banks' part in the games he's had.

When he first started he was all over the place. He now looks like he's "made it" flash hair cut, flash boots and is strolling through games, possibly thinking he is better than he is. There are a fair few clubs above town in the pyramid but there are a hell of a lot more lower if the trend continues. Just my opinion of course before all the red ones come along, everyone is entitled to one lol

I hope he gets back to the player that got stuck in and was a goal threat

Obviously not a reflection on his ability but he's going for the standard dickhead baller haircut atm haha, bobble in hair, that one. SORT IT AHT BANKS

[Town_Fan]

I actually think Banks would make a better striker than deep central midfielder. He seems set up to play more offensively.