[metallilad]

Are we blaming Cooky for the inclusion of Evatt that caused yesterday's fiasco?
Or are we blaming Evatt for the capitulation?

[Cartman]

can't just blame anyone

all the players and staff must take responsibility for a poor second half

certainly wasn't all Evatt's fault - he was fine in the first half, won every header and Morecambe didn't look like scoring

Everything then fell apart after half time, all the players were obviously too complacent and thought the job was done, then management didn't react well to a few Morecambe goals and changed to a formation that made it easier for us to be put under pressure

Just a really bad 45 minutes, but to blame Evatt or the inclusion of Evatt is ridiculous

[metallilad]

Well the general consensus on the board seems to put the blame squarely on PC's shoulders for picking Evatt in the first place.
Personally I think it's wrong to blame him, that it was complacency and panic that cost us. I think PC did the right thing in picking evo for the match and should play on Tuesday aswell.

[Cartman]

metallilad, on 07 October 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Well the general consensus on the board seems to put the blame squarely on PC's shoulders for picking Evatt in the first place.
Personally I think it's wrong to blame him, that it was complacency and panic that cost us. I think PC did the right thing in picking evo for the match and should play on Tuesday aswell.

the general concensus isn't always right - especially on here

Evatt was fine in the first half, won almost everything

In the second half he was poor, as were most of the others and the tactics

[Nolan]

Evatt has not played for 11 months you can't just expect a player to be sharp with no competitive games. Judge him after five games at least.

[shaun1866]

Nolan, on 07 October 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Evatt has not played for 11 months you can't just expect a player to be sharp with no competitive games. Judge him after five games at least.

But according to most of the footballs best managers (on here) Hird who has been constantly good should be dropped for him. SK i await your red

[60s 70s Spireite]

Nolan, on 07 October 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Evatt has not played for 11 months you can't just expect a player to be sharp with no competitive games. Judge him after five games at least.

If doesn't play well in the next match, to be hoped we don't play him in four more successive games, especially if continues to play poorly. Why would we allow one man to play himself into form, whilst the two previous occupants of the central defenders shirts had conceded four goals in eight games? Not saying he will play poorly, just saying if.

If we didn't have the injuries we have, I would say Cook has one of the most difficult decisions to be made by one of our managers for many a year.

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 07 October 2013 - 09:12 PM

[shaun1866]

60s 70s Spireite, on 07 October 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

If doesn't play well in the next match, to be hoped we don't play him in four more successive games, especially if continues to play poorly. Why would we allow one man to play himself into form, whilst the two previous occupants of the central defenders shirts had conceded four goals in eight games? Not saying he will play poorly, just saying if.

If we didn't have the injuries we have, I would say Cook has one of the most difficult decisions to be made by one of our managers for many a year.

Spot on, it shouldn't be about past or sentiments

[Cartman]

shaun1866, on 07 October 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Spot on, it shouldn't be about past or sentiments

no it shouldn't, but as I said, he was fine in the first half (as was Hird at RB)

no one at Morecambe at Half time was at all disappointed with Evatt or thought Hird looked 'lost' at RB

in the second half the whole team capitulated, Morcambe were able to apply more pressure and to be honest we should give them a bit of credit as well

the move to 3 at the back did not help at all

no way we can blame the selection of Evatt for losing that game

[shaun1866]

Cartman, on 07 October 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

no it shouldn't, but as I said, he was fine in the first half (as was Hird at RB)

no one at Morecambe at Half time was at all disappointed with Evatt or thought Hird looked 'lost' at RB

in the second half the whole team capitulated, Morcambe were able to apply more pressure and to be honest we should give them a bit of credit as well

the move to 3 at the back did not help at all

no way we can blame the selection of Evatt for losing that game

Your also right but IMHO the right back was the only forced option and there was a simple solution without disturbing the centre back pairing and that was TD to right back.

[metallilad]

shaun1866, on 07 October 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Your also right but IMHO the right back was the only forced option and there was a simple solution without disturbing the centre back pairing and that was TD to right back.

But your using hindsight as a basis to get your point across. If we'd kicked on in the second half and won by 4 or 5 goals would you have been saying that we shouldn't have done it?
I realise it's a case of ifs, buts and maybe's but it's unfair to just look at one area of the pitch when the whole team caved in.

This post has been edited by metallilad: 08 October 2013 - 07:28 AM

[shaun1866]

metallilad, on 08 October 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

But your using hindsight as a basis to get your point across. If we'd kicked on in the second half and won by 4 or 5 goals would you have been saying that we shouldn't have done it?
I realise it's a case of ifs, buts and maybe's but it's unfair to just look at one area of the pitch when the whole team caved in.

Surely hindsight has to be used in this case, but surely the facts spoke for themselves before the game "4 goals in 8 games" "injured right back and a straight swap available" I didn't get tinkering with the CB's. Do you think if PC now in hindsight would have tinkered with the CB's.

[Sammy Spireite]

Depends who you follow on twitter, as one prominant Spireite put the blame for Saturdays capitulation squarely at Roberts door!!

*to which he, quite rightly, took offence to!

[Sabreman]

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Depends who you follow on twitter, as one prominant Spireite put the blame for Saturdays capitulation squarely at Roberts door!!

*to which he, quite rightly, took offence to!
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One reason why I do not bother with Twitter or any other social media gubbins as i'd probably post something I later regretted. A heat of the moment comment can cause major problems, so I don't bother taking the risk as I know what i'm like.