[DRL]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Every part of that is up (or down) to your usual standard. TW is NOT responsible for the squad, as you well know, I advocated TW given only until the end of the season, with an extension depending on results, so your distorted version is totally wrong. Are you sure Paul Cook didn't have input into today's squad, tactics, formation, subs etc? because judging by his touchline antics I'm not. There is nothing whatsoever in my post that even suggests any blame be attached to PC. You really have exceeded even your usual innacurate ranting standards this time.

PC decided on the substitutions. I was sat close enough behind the dug outto see that and to observe his style of shouting and directing the players. Very similar to JS in that regard.

I wanted to see TW given a chance but the 1 striker up front formation drives me to despair. It is negative and with the players we have it simply does not work. I honestly think this negative approach cost TW and MC the chance to see out the season.

[Andy Spireite]

DRL, on 28 October 2012 - 07:26 AM, said:

PC decided on the substitutions. I was sat close enough behind the dug outto see that and to observe his style of shouting and directing the players. Very similar to JS in that regard.

I wanted to see TW given a chance but the 1 striker up front formation drives me to despair. It is negative and with the players we have it simply does not work. I honestly think this negative approach cost TW and MC the chance to see out the season.

I couldn't disagree with you more about the style of Sheridan and Cook. I sit directly behind the away dugout and can see and hear both sets of coaches during a game.

Not once did I hear Sheridan encourage a player by praising them or any form of positive motivation, he just used to shout abuse at whoever he was unhappy with.

Cook on the other hand appeared to both encourage and rollock where he deemed it necessary

[Spire1986]

cfcblues, on 27 October 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Not the manager it's them useless tw@s on the pitch. Westcarr is my first eviction

We need a big clearout in January. Westcarr, Whittaker, Randall, Allot, and Boden all need to be shipped out.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Spire1986, on 28 October 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

We need a big clearout in January. Westcarr, Whittaker, Randall, Allot, and Boden all need to be shipped out.

Did you go yesterday?

[frearsghost]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Have to agree, and I thought he wasn't the only one. It looked to me as if all the players, with the possible exception of Darikwa and Atkinson, were demoralised and demotivated from the start, and gave the worst performance I have seen all season. I expressed the opinion that the decision not to give TW a chance was a very poor one, and today's painful experience has confirmed that opinion. It's water under the bridge now, but I really believe that, if the situation had been settled with TW in charge for the rest of the season, we would have been more settled and confident, and would probably have beaten Fleetwood and certainly Barnet, who were very very poor (being polite). So the Board's decision has achieved -

1) putting us in the lower reaches of the table

2) sending player confidence to absolute rock bottom by losing to the worst team in the League

3) wasting money that could have been used to strengthen the squad

Now the decision HAS been taken, there's no going back. Paul Cook now has an absolutely massive task, which I really hope he copes with. I think all fans are going to need a lot of patience over the rest of the season, and I hope PC gets the support he will need.

A number of people I spoke to made this remark and it did seem like one big 'sulk in.' Let me make it clear. I'll support Cook and he deserves that but it's possible the performance was a negative reaction to Dave Allen's somewhat abrasive interview. A bitter and angry man, I thought, who would have been wiser to keep things 'in house' rather than criticise his staff publically. There were a lot of unhappy players out there yesterday. I wouldn't wish to speculate on the 'in house' mood at the moment but I would guess it isn't happy. They need to get over it and quick!

What did concern me, and no-ones picked up on this, is one of the reasons Allen gave for employing Cook. It was, in his words, because he liked Cook's, 'impestuous enthusiasm,' two words that do not go together if you want a manager who is going to have to make some rational, carefully thought out decisions.

While most of us thought we haven't look fit and there was a case for extra training, I think Dave Allen's remarks on training were alienating, over the top and wrong. He wants the Di-Canio method of training but didn't we beat Swindon 2-0 at Wembley and didn't we win the 4th Division two years ago with some of the best footy ever seen using Sheridan's training methods? A red herring for me.

His remarks were clearly meant for the fans. But they were popularist. Put it this way:

would you like a pay rise? - yes
would you like to pay less tax? - yes
would you like six weeks holiday a year? - yes
would you like your struggling football team to do extra training? - yes

Of course the reality is somewhat different. The real reason for our demise is that the players are not good enough. Over to you Mr Cook.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 28 October 2012 - 11:50 AM

[sophocles]

Waller is my hero, on 28 October 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Have you been on the funny stuff again!?? TW PICKED the team today...when it is plain to see that 1 up front never worked at home! We were beaten by Barnet because it was TW that picked it.
What is it with you & your constant weird...yes, weird, support for someone who has not achieved!!?

Another privileged insider - how do you KNOW TW picked the team? If so, why didn't PC stay in the stand? Did PC do the half - time talk and decide on the subs? If so it's not encouraging as we were even worse after half time and after substitutions. The weird thing about your support for PC is that he has achieved less than TW in L2, but you simply ignore that because you were prejudiced against TW already. My comments are based on what has actually happened on the field, not on prejudice or personalities. All that discussion is now irrelevant - PC IS now responsible for all decisions, so you won't be able to blame anybody else if things go wrong. I just hope you and others give him a fairer chance than you gave TW because his task has been made even harder by the muddled and indecisive way the changeover has been handled. It's going to be a long, hard season, and he'll need a huge amount of support, not prejudgement or knee - jerk reactions when things get tough.

[sophocles]

frearsghost, on 28 October 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

A number of people I spoke to made this remark and it did seem like one big 'sulk in.' Let me make it clear. I'll support Cook and he deserves that but it's possible the performance was a negative reaction to Dave Allen's somewhat abrasive interview. A bitter and angry man, I thought, who would have been wiser to keep things 'in house' rather than criticise his staff publically. There were a lot of unhappy players out there yesterday. I wouldn't wish to speculate on the 'in house' mood at the moment but I would guess it isn't happy. They need to get over it and quick!

What did concern me, and no-ones picked up on this, is one of the reasons Allen gave for employing Cook. It was, in his words, because he liked Cook's, 'impestuous enthusiasm,' two words that do not go together if you want a manager who is going to have to make some rational, carefully thought out decisions.

While most of us thought we haven't look fit and there was a case for extra training, I think Dave Allen's remarks on training were alienating, over the top and wrong. He wants the Di-Canio method of training but didn't we beat Swindon 2-0 at Wembley and didn't we win the 4th Division two years ago with some of the best footy ever seen using Sheridan's training methods? A red herring for me.

His remarks were clearly meant for the fans. But they were popularist. Put it this way:

would you like a pay rise? - yes
would you like to pay less tax? - yes
would you like six weeks holiday a year? - yes
would you like your struggling football team to do extra training? - yes

Of course the reality is somewhat different. The real reason for our demise is that the players are not good enough. Over to you Mr Cook.

Balanced, sensible post, I agree with every word.

[warfey is a spireite]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 27 October 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

I'd prefer him to go as I just feel it will be an impossible situation

he will go orbepushed ern x3

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Every part of that is up (or down) to your usual standard. TW is NOT responsible for the squad, as you well know, I advocated TW given only until the end of the season, with an extension depending on results, so your distorted version is totally wrong. Are you sure Paul Cook didn't have input into today's squad, tactics, formation, subs etc? because judging by his touchline antics I'm not. There is nothing whatsoever in my post that even suggests any blame be attached to PC. You really have exceeded even your usual innacurate ranting standards this time.

If it's accuracy you're concerned with, then i hope you'll acknowledge i didn't say TW was responsible for the squad - that was his predecessor, an individual you stated should be given an open-ended tenure at CFC.

However it's impossible to divorce Wright from all responsibility given his assistant manager status and the signings he's added.

And here's exactly what you said in reference to the Scot:

I believe it's now time for the club to seize the moment and take decisive action by announcing the appointment of Tommy Wright as manager until the end of the season, with a further 1 year option dependent on results.

I reckon any reasonable person would interpret that as calling for an eighteen month deal.

As for Cook's involvement on Saturday, i'd suggest it's inconcievable that anyone arriving at a club should or would be expected to choose the team and tactics twenty four hours later. Then i note you criticise others for leaping to conclusions whilst merely basing your judgement on his "touchline antics".

Why not just be honest here, 'Sophocles': you ranted and raved in support of Richardson, Sheridan and Wright, punctuating your tirades with abuse aimed at dissenting Town fans, yet on each occasion Dave Allen - Dave Allen - sided with those voices.

Leaving you with your bottom lip so obviously trembling.

This post has been edited by MDCCCLXVI: 28 October 2012 - 01:44 PM

[Skywalker]

MDCCCLXVI, on 28 October 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

If it's accuracy you're concerned with, then i hope you'll acknowledge i didn't say TW was responsible for the squad - that was his predecessor, an individual you stated should be given an open-ended tenure at CFC.

However it's impossible to divorce Wright from all responsibility given his assistant manager status and the signings he's added.

And here's exactly what you said in reference to the Scot:

I believe it's now time for the club to seize the moment and take decisive action by announcing the appointment of Tommy Wright as manager until the end of the season, with a further 1 year option dependent on results.

I reckon any reasonable person would interpret that as calling for an eighteen month deal.

As for Cook's involvement on Saturday, i'd suggest it's inconcievable that anyone arriving at a club should or would be expected to choose the team and tactics twenty four hours later. Then i note you criticise others for leaping to conclusions whilst merely basing your judgement on his "touchline antics".

Why not just be honest here, 'Sophocles': you ranted and raved in support of Richardson, Sheridan and Wright, punctuating your tirades with abuse aimed at dissenting Town fans, yet on each occasion Dave Allen - Dave Allen - sided with those voices.

Leaving you with your bottom lip so obviously trembling.

Dave Allen has been far more scathing of Wright and Crossley’s tenure in the hot seat than the vast majority of supporters (even those that didn’t advocate them being given the job full-time). It appears our Chairman has higher standards for our club than even the pessimists amongst us.

[BlueRover52]

Skywalker, on 28 October 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Dave Allen has been far more scathing of Wright and Crossley’s tenure in the hot seat than the vast majority of supporters (even those that didn’t advocate them being given the job full-time). It appears our Chairman has higher standards for our club than even the pessimists amongst us.

After his misguided choice of Sheridan even DA could see that the Wright/Crossley partnership would only take us one way,that being the wrongway.

[lindave]

Andy Spireite, on 28 October 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

I couldn't disagree with you more about the style of Sheridan and Cook. I sit directly behind the away dugout and can see and hear both sets of coaches during a game.

Not once did I hear Sheridan encourage a player by praising them or any form of positive motivation, he just used to shout abuse at whoever he was unhappy with.

Cook on the other hand appeared to both encourage and rollock where he deemed it necessary

I sit in the same place as you and I thought Cook was miles different to shezza.He was positive in what he had to say and times many he raised his hands to applaud any good moves.