[The Earl of Chesterfield]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Have to agree, and I thought he wasn't the only one. It looked to me as if all the players, with the possible exception of Darikwa and Atkinson, were demoralised and demotivated from the start, and gave the worst performance I have seen all season. I expressed the opinion that the decision not to give TW a chance was a very poor one, and today's painful experience has confirmed that opinion. It's water under the bridge now, but I really believe that, if the situation had been settled with TW in charge for the rest of the season, we would have been more settled and confident, and would probably have beaten Fleetwood and certainly Barnet, who were very very poor (being polite). So the Board's decision has achieved -

1) putting us in the lower reaches of the table

2) sending player confidence to absolute rock bottom by losing to the worst team in the League

3) wasting money that could have been used to strengthen the squad

Now the decision HAS been taken, there's no going back. Paul Cook now has an absolutely massive task, which I really hope he copes with. I think all fans are going to need a lot of patience over the rest of the season, and I hope PC gets the support he will need.

Who's responsible for our current squad? The manager you advocated be given an open-ended tenure regardless of performances, results, or league position. Who prepared and picked today's team? The stand-in manager you advocated be given an eighteen month deal at the very least.

Yet what happens when the ineptitude of those individuals comes home to roost?

You blame someone who only arrived at the Club twenty four hours earlier whilst inferring a lack of professionalism on the players' part.

Ah well, at least it makes a change from accusing the fans of being at fault...

[Westbars Spireite]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 27 October 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

Jack was one of only 3 players that didn't go jumping all over TW when we scored last week.

He looked totally bemused at being left up front on hs own again. People keep saying he can't play 2 games in a week etc, is there any wonder with how we use our talisman. We don't give him a hope in hell

It's blo0dy upsetting seeing him abused like this.

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Have to agree, and I thought he wasn't the only one. It looked to me as if all the players, with the possible exception of Darikwa and Atkinson, were demoralised and demotivated from the start, and gave the worst performance I have seen all season. I expressed the opinion that the decision not to give TW a chance was a very poor one, and today's painful experience has confirmed that opinion. It's water under the bridge now, but I really believe that, if the situation had been settled with TW in charge for the rest of the season, we would have been more settled and confident, and would probably have beaten Fleetwood and certainly Barnet, who were very very poor (being polite). So the Board's decision has achieved -

1) putting us in the lower reaches of the table

2) sending player confidence to absolute rock bottom by losing to the worst team in the League

3) wasting money that could have been used to strengthen the squad

Now the decision HAS been taken, there's no going back. Paul Cook now has an absolutely massive task, which I really hope he copes with. I think all fans are going to need a lot of patience over the rest of the season, and I hope PC gets the support he will need.

That's peculiar. I come to exactly the opposite conclusion.

[philly8mt]

Dema Reborn, on 27 October 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

The substitutions is when the problems began to start,maybe Darikwa going off was an injury or his nose wouldn't stop bleeding,but Evans brought nothing to the game and neither did Randall...

Ill tell ya what Randall brought to the game ....
He shirked the 50/50 that gave them the ball to take up the pitch and win a penalty with!

[sophocles]

MDCCCLXVI, on 27 October 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

Who's responsible for our current squad? The manager you advocated be given an open-ended tenure regardless of performances, results, or league position. Who prepared and picked today's team? The stand-in manager you advocated be given an eighteen month deal at the very least.

Yet what happens when the ineptitude of those individuals comes home to roost?

You blame someone who only arrived at the Club twenty four hours earlier whilst inferring a lack of professionalism on the players' part.

Ah well, at least it makes a change from accusing the fans of being at fault...

Every part of that is up (or down) to your usual standard. TW is NOT responsible for the squad, as you well know, I advocated TW given only until the end of the season, with an extension depending on results, so your distorted version is totally wrong. Are you sure Paul Cook didn't have input into today's squad, tactics, formation, subs etc? because judging by his touchline antics I'm not. There is nothing whatsoever in my post that even suggests any blame be attached to PC. You really have exceeded even your usual innacurate ranting standards this time.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

philly8mt, on 27 October 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Ill tell ya what Randall brought to the game ....
He shirked the 50/50 that gave them the ball to take up the pitch and win a penalty with!

I think you are being generous on him with 50/50

[SpireiteFitzy]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Every part of that is up (or down) to your usual standard. TW is NOT responsible for the squad, as you well know, I advocated TW given only until the end of the season, with an extension depending on results, so your distorted version is totally wrong. Are you sure Paul Cook didn't have input into today's squad, tactics, formation, subs etc? because judging by his touchline antics I'm not. There is nothing whatsoever in my post that even suggests any blame be attached to PC. You really have exceeded even your usual innacurate ranting standards this time.

The fact that PC was off his bench in 4 minutes correcting the players style of play suggests to me that it was Tommy's set up out there and not his own.

[moondog]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 October 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

The fact that PC was off his bench in 4 minutes correcting the players style of play suggests to me that it was Tommy's set up out there and not his own.

Definately so

[sophocles]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 October 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

The fact that PC was off his bench in 4 minutes correcting the players style of play suggests to me that it was Tommy's set up out there and not his own.

That makes no sense to me - if it was TWs 'set up' wouldn't Cook have stayed in the stand? If the substitutions were Cook's idea they actually made us worse. Not a good start to his tenure; he should either have left it to TW and stayed in the stand, or made it clear that he was already in charge and taking responsibility - as it was, everybody was confused, including the players.

[lindave]

cfcblues, on 27 October 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Absolute garbage. This lot have been getting used to freeloading for the best part of two years now, time to train and do some graft - not one of them was interested today. Not one.

Darika worked his nuts off and was motm again folowing on from his great display at Exeter.

[lindave]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

That makes no sense to me - if it was TWs 'set up' wouldn't Cook have stayed in the stand? If the substitutions were Cook's idea they actually made us worse. Not a good start to his tenure; he should either have left it to TW and stayed in the stand, or made it clear that he was already in charge and taking responsibility - as it was, everybody was confused, including the players.

TW played a big part in getting us into this mess over the past year and his negativity is why we are not in the promotion run in,as a manager he hasn't got a clue.

[lindave]

Westbars Spireite, on 27 October 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

It's blo0dy upsetting seeing him abused like this.



That's peculiar. I come to exactly the opposite conclusion.

TW's style of play was slowly killing off the club's support,I for one am glad he didn't get the job and wouldn't be sorry if he moved on completly.

[SpireiteFitzy]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

That makes no sense to me - if it was TWs 'set up' wouldn't Cook have stayed in the stand? If the substitutions were Cook's idea they actually made us worse. Not a good start to his tenure; he should either have left it to TW and stayed in the stand, or made it clear that he was already in charge and taking responsibility - as it was, everybody was confused, including the players.

Alright I'll put it in laymans terms so it's not too complicated for you. Paul Cook entrusts Tommy with picking the team for today, the game comes along and Cook goes in the dugout more as an observer with the aim of looking his team over from the touchline without hopefully getting involved. He then very quickly sees that things arent right, some players arent doing what he'd like them to do and we are playing too defensively. Cook isnt just going to stand there and watch this so he comes to the fore and starts changing things. That easy enough for you

[sophocles]

SpireiteFitzy, on 27 October 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Alright I'll put it in laymans terms so it's not too complicated for you. Paul Cook entrusts Tommy with picking the team for today, the game comes along and Cook goes in the dugout more as an observer with the aim of looking his team over from the touchline without hopefully getting involved. He then very quickly sees that things arent right, some players arent doing what he'd like them to do and we are playing too defensively. Cook isnt just going to stand there and watch this so he comes to the fore and starts changing things. That easy enough for you

Sorry, I hadn't realised you were an integral member of the CFC management team and therefore know precisely what TW and Cook had arranged before the game. Thank you for enlightening those of us who are mere supporters.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

lindave, on 27 October 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

TW's style of play was slowly killing off the club's support,I for one am glad he didn't get the job and wouldn't be sorry if he moved on completly.

I'd prefer him to go as I just feel it will be an impossible situation

[Rodney's Moustache]

cfcblues, on 27 October 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Not the manager it's them useless tw@s on the pitch. Westcarr is my first eviction

Go to agree,,this lot are not fit and not fit to wear the shirt.

[shaun1866]

Rodney, on 28 October 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Go to agree,,this lot are not fit and not fit to wear the shirt.

Echoed

[Waller is my hero]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Have to agree, and I thought he wasn't the only one. It looked to me as if all the players, with the possible exception of Darikwa and Atkinson, were demoralised and demotivated from the start, and gave the worst performance I have seen all season. I expressed the opinion that the decision not to give TW a chance was a very poor one, and today's painful experience has confirmed that opinion. It's water under the bridge now, but I really believe that, if the situation had been settled with TW in charge for the rest of the season, we would have been more settled and confident, and would probably have beaten Fleetwood and certainly Barnet, who were very very poor (being polite). So the Board's decision has achieved -

1) putting us in the lower reaches of the table

2) sending player confidence to absolute rock bottom by losing to the worst team in the League

3) wasting money that could have been used to strengthen the squad

Now the decision HAS been taken, there's no going back. Paul Cook now has an absolutely massive task, which I really hope he copes with. I think all fans are going to need a lot of patience over the rest of the season, and I hope PC gets the support he will need.

Have you been on the funny stuff again!?? TW PICKED the team today...when it is plain to see that 1 up front never worked at home! We were beaten by Barnet because it was TW that picked it.
What is it with you & your constant weird...yes, weird, support for someone who has not achieved!!?

[Waller is my hero]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Every part of that is up (or down) to your usual standard. TW is NOT responsible for the squad, as you well know, I advocated TW given only until the end of the season, with an extension depending on results, so your distorted version is totally wrong. Are you sure Paul Cook didn't have input into today's squad, tactics, formation, subs etc? because judging by his touchline antics I'm not. There is nothing whatsoever in my post that even suggests any blame be attached to PC. You really have exceeded even your usual innacurate ranting standards this time.

Why would PC have input in the team selection today when he didn't even know the squad?? It was left to TW to choose the team today - if we play 1 up front in our next home game, then i'd be surprised...i'll guarantee it won't happen.
PC will work & work this team ALL week guaranteed & from his very refreshing post match interview..there will be no passengers!

WHY DON'T YOU JUST SUPPORT PAUL COOK?? & stop harping on about if's & frigging but's of TW still being in charge

[born in 1866]

sophocles, on 27 October 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Have to agree, and I thought he wasn't the only one. It looked to me as if all the players, with the possible exception of Darikwa and Atkinson, were demoralised and demotivated from the start, and gave the worst performance I have seen all season. I expressed the opinion that the decision not to give TW a chance was a very poor one, and today's painful experience has confirmed that opinion. It's water under the bridge now, but I really believe that, if the situation had been settled with TW in charge for the rest of the season, we would have been more settled and confident, and would probably have beaten Fleetwood and certainly Barnet, who were very very poor (being polite). So the Board's decision has achieved -

1) putting us in the lower reaches of the table

2) sending player confidence to absolute rock bottom by losing to the worst team in the League

3) wasting money that could have been used to strengthen the squad

Now the decision HAS been taken, there's no going back. Paul Cook now has an absolutely massive task, which I really hope he copes with. I think all fans are going to need a lot of patience over the rest of the season, and I hope PC gets the support he will need.

TW had every chance, he had 11 games to show his worth. Today, TW picked the team, so game number 12 was another negative gutless performance