[DRL]

Gotta love this blunt and forthright nature from Dave Allen. Loved it - a journalists dream!

No punches pulled at all.

DA expects to see fitter players and wants to see any loan players brought in used.

If it were my business and I put that amount of money in I would expect more too.

Now for the cold harsh reality of human nature and football.

We are about to witness: fight, flight and adopt - (or a combination of fight and adopt) from our players.

Key Coniderations:


1. Paul Cook's Man Management skills will be placed under immediate and intense pressure.
2. TW and MC wanted the job and were rejected. One wonders how they feel given they were the last to know they were being passed over. PC needs a strong support unit. How will they behave? Will they be passive or active?
3. The players like and respect TW- evidenced by the Goal celebration on Tuesday.
4. Very few Pro clubs actually "physically" train six days a week and a Qualified Physio would 109% warn against over training. Simple logic states more training and more risk of injuries and sprains. A bit of Classroom stuff maybe??
5. Successful clubs are usually happy clubs. Being a disciplinarian ( eg Alex F) requires a track record to command respect. He was almost fired before he succeeded and became a legend. PC is not quite a legend.
6. Players will need to live closer to Chesterfield. Six day weeks will make us less appealing to some new players. We need to attract talent as well as fitness and determination.

I think the interview with Rob makes pretty clear that PC sold himself very well to DA well in the interview. The Accy performance against us was also a clincher. Mmm!

Credit to Dave for acting, making a bold, very high risk decision and doing something. Is PC the right choice? Some would say its hunch and a punt! Lets see shall we!! Good talkers don't always make good doers.

Welcome to CFC Paul. I genuinely hope you can "walk your talk" and I wish you well. The fans expect:)

Final Note:

A. I think man management, intelligence, formation and tactics are just as important as fitness. Fitness is a prerequisite
B. CFC fans deserve better and more consistent communication from DA, CT and the new man. Long quiet spells allow the paying fan to fester. Media was much better under young Adam I felt.
C. Many good clubs have Chairman and (where they exist) CEO who talk to the fans every week. This was happening well but has subsided. The fan is the customer and even if we not paying enough to make a profit or even to break even just now, the fans are the ultimate gateway to revenue. Respect them ALWAYS! Get communicating again Dave and Chris. Good luck:)

This post has been edited by DRL: 25 October 2012 - 09:08 PM

[Crooked_Spireite]

azul, on 25 October 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

Bit of an own goal from Norm, that one

What does he say? Can't access on iPad. Norm always struck me as a great coach (tommy) but someone who shoots his mouth off a little (twitter). Seemed to think shez was untouchable after getting a squad funded by DA streets ahead of anything else in league 2 promoted and then abjectly failing in league 1. Personally I would like to see a complete clear out, we have been massively underperforming for 18 months, enough is enough, get rid. Lets have some honest application to go with our "Chanpionship club...top 4 budget...top half league 1 budget" bluster. Make the players B****Y well work for it

[marlons curtains]

As CT has been running the club on a daily basis for getting on for a year, can we presume he's been given a 'buck your ideas up' conversation?

[Torteval]

moondog, on 25 October 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

said interview is here 1hr 32mins in

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/p00zbmjr

Waste of Money quote from Norm is interesting - we have form in that department over the last 12 months or so.

Interesting also to see another rumoured candidate take a job elsewhere today - wonder if he was still in the running up to the last minute.

This post has been edited by Torteval: 25 October 2012 - 09:06 PM

[moondog]

Torteval, on 25 October 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Waste of Money quote from Norm is interesting - we have form in that department over the last 12 months or so.

Interesting also to see another rumoured candidate take a job elsewhere today - wonder if he was still in the running up to the last minute.

who was that ?

[marlons curtains]

moondog, on 25 October 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

who was that ?

Pemberton? back at Forest?

[Torteval]

moondog, on 25 October 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

who was that ?

Link below

http://www.nottingha...rns-446704.aspx

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DRL, on 25 October 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Gotta love this blunt and forthright nature from Dave Allen. Loved it - a journalists dream!

No punches pulled at all.

DA expects to see fitter players and wants to see any loan players brought in used.

If it were my business and I put that amount of money in I would expect more too.

Now for the cold harsh reality of human nature and football.

We are about to witness: fight, flight and adopt - (or a combination of fight and adopt) from our players.

Key Coniderations:


1. Paul Cook's Man Management skills will be placed under immediate and intense pressure.
2. TW and MC wanted the job and were rejected. One wonders how they feel given they were the last to know they were being passed over. PC needs a strong support unit. How will they behave? Will they be passive or active?
3. The players like and respect TW- evidenced by the Goal celebration on Tuesday.
4. Very few Pro clubs actually "physically" train six days a week and a Qualified Physio would 109% warn against over training. Simple logic states more training and more risk of injuries and sprains. A bit of Classroom stuff maybe??
5. Successful clubs are usually happy clubs. Being a disciplinarian ( eg Alex F) requires a track record to command respect. He was almost fired before he succeeded and became a legend. PC is not quite a legend.
6. Players will need to live closer to Chesterfield. Six day weeks will make us less appealing to some. New players. We need to attract talent as well as fitness and determination.

I think the interview with Rob makes pretty clear that PC sold himself very well to DA well in the interview. The Accy performance against us was also a clincher. Mmm!

Credit to Dave for acting, making a bold, very high risk decision and doing something. Is PC the right choice? Some would say its hunch and a punt! Lets see shall we!! Good talkers don't always make good doers.

Welcome to CFC Paul. I genuinely hope you can "walk your talk" and I wish you well. The fans expect:)

Final Note:

A. I think man management, intelligence, formation and tactics are just as important as fitness. Fitness is a prerequisite
B. CFC fans deserve better and more consistent communication from DA, CT and the new man. Long quiet spells allow the paying fan to fester. Media was much better under young Adam I felt.
C. Many good clubs have Chairman and (where they exist) CEO who talk to the fans every week. This was happening well but has subsided. The fan is the customer an even if they are not paying enough to ake a profit or eventobreak even just now, they are the ultimate gateway to revenue. Respect them ALWAYS! Get communicating again Dave and Chris. Good luck:)

Good post, 'DRL'.

It goes without saying that TW and MC will be feeling bitter and resentful at the moment, not only because of being publicly rejected but by having their failings aired in the manner DA has. What's more the players and backroom staff too will be experiencing anxiety, having formed a relationship with TW and MC over months or years and being concerned at what the future holds: will the new man fancy me? Will he demand more from me? How will this impact on my career? All understandable concerns.

However let's not forget this is about what's best for Chesterfield FC, not individual employees.

[sophocles]

MDCCCLXVI, on 25 October 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Good post, 'DRL'.

It goes without saying that TW and MC will be feeling bitter and resentful at the moment, not only because of being publicly rejected but by having their failings aired in the manner DA has. What's more the players and backroom staff too will be experiencing anxiety, having formed a relationship with TW and MC over months or years and being concerned at what the future holds: will the new man fancy me? Will he demand more from me? How will this impact on my career? All understandable concerns.

However let's not forget this is about what's best for Chesterfield FC, not individual employees.

But CFC IS the individual employees. This move IMO is absolute madness because it disrupts the whole squad and management team when we were gradually improving and collecting enough points to remain in contention. This decision has completely undermined our progress, and used up money that could have strengthened the squad and enabled us to move up the table. I really hope it works out, and I will support any CFC manager, as always, but I am not very hopeful that we can recover from this blunder.

[Bonnyman]

sophocles, on 25 October 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

But CFC IS the individual employees. This move IMO is absolute madness because it disrupts the whole squad and management team when we were gradually improving and collecting enough points to remain in contention. This decision has completely undermined our progress, and used up money that could have strengthened the squad and enabled us to move up the table. I really hope it works out, and I will support any CFC manager, as always, but I am not very hopeful that we can recover from this blunder.

absolute tosh.

[dan.25]

sophocles, on 25 October 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

But CFC IS the individual employees. This move IMO is absolute madness because it disrupts the whole squad and management team when we were gradually improving and collecting enough points to remain in contention. This decision has completely undermined our progress, and used up money that could have strengthened the squad and enabled us to move up the table. I really hope it works out, and I will support any CFC manager, as always, but I am not very hopeful that we can recover from this blunder.

Wrong, CFC is the fans. Without them, without us, the club dies. And if anyone at any club forgets that, shame on them.

[sophocles]

Westbars Spireite, on 25 October 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Very interesting. Not putting his hand in his pocket again to fund deals - don't blame him. Seems like he's far more hands on that he ever expected to be too - commented on Richard's injury. Said it's unacceptable to sign players and them not to be involved. Again I fully agree.

I like the idea of them earning their money properly by training harder than they do now.

I'd prefer them to be working harder on the pitch during games rather than when they're training.

bonnyman, on 25 October 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

absolute tosh.

Thank you for your well - informed and brilliantly reasoned contribution.

[Spire Power]

harboroughspireite, on 25 October 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

i have to say i was impressed by this. saying what a great many of us have been saying on the boards and terraces. poor training, poor management, acknowledgment that we have a big enough and well paid squad. interesting comment re evans, again backing what we stated a couple of weeks ago re why sign a player who is "weeks" away from the first team? we do need to be fitter, we do need to be more professional and we do need to improve. well done and good luck mr cook, heres hoping that this appointment works.

Most have said the opposite of that to be fair

[sophocles]

dan.25, on 25 October 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Wrong, CFC is the fans. Without them, without us, the club dies. And if anyone at any club forgets that, shame on them.

I assumed it was obvious that I was referring to the CFC MANAGEMENT as that is what is being discussed here. The fans didn't pay for the new stadium.

[kh83]

sophocles, on 25 October 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

But CFC IS the individual employees. This move IMO is absolute madness because it disrupts the whole squad and management team when we were gradually [i]improving[/i] and collecting enough points to remain in contention. This decision has completely undermined our progress, and used up [i]money that could have strengthened the squad[/i] and enabled us to move up the table. I really hope it works out, and I will support any CFC manager, as always, but I am not very hopeful that we can recover from this blunder.

Improving????? Progress??????? .................Really?

And as for money that could have strengthened the squad, DA has already been down that route and got his fingers burnt. He stuck with the JS and let him have a very competitive budget for playing staff. That money has been wasted. Some players aren't really that good (Westcar) and some are good (Hird, Richards) but lacked a good manager (JS or TW) capable of turning them into a good team. So now DA is spending MORE money but this time on getting a good manager (Hopefully) in to turn these good players into a good team. Makes sense to me!

This post has been edited by kh83: 25 October 2012 - 10:09 PM

[dan.25]

sophocles, on 25 October 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

I assumed it was obvious that I was referring to the CFC MANAGEMENT as that is what is being discussed here. The fans didn't pay for the new stadium.

No, it was not obvious. You asserted that "CFC is the individual employees." CFC = Chesterfield Football Club. The club itself is the fans. Had you said the CFC management, then your point would have been valid. As you didn't, it wasn't.

[Waller is my hero]

moondog, on 25 October 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1025582

That is a very refreshing interview to hear! Sounds as though standards have not been to the recommended level & wow, what reaction TW's chance!

Well done Uncle Dave.....like we've said...there is a wind of change coming

[DRL]

dan.25, on 25 October 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Wrong, CFC is the fans. Without them, without us, the club dies. And if anyone at any club forgets that, shame on them.

CFC is indeed the fans - ultimately that point cannot and should not be questioned. Customers should be treated with respect

[Waller is my hero]

sophocles, on 25 October 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

But CFC IS the individual employees. This move IMO is absolute madness because it disrupts the whole squad and management team when we were gradually improving and collecting enough points to remain in contention. This decision has completely undermined our progress, and used up money that could have strengthened the squad and enabled us to move up the table. I really hope it works out, and I will support any CFC manager, as always, but I am not very hopeful that we can recover from this blunder.

What is wrong with you?? Your posts spew drivel! Gradually improving??? where is the evidence? 4 defeats in the last 7 is not improving!

[blue is the colour]

marlons curtains, on 25 October 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

On the back of this interview, how can TW and MC remain, if theyre central to the lazy old regime?

I always believed that TW and MC were part of the problem along with Sheridan and should have all gone at the same time.