[spireitetoo]

i'm not so sure.

listening to TW's interviews before the game yestdi, he mentioned the new lad from hudders was on the radar last year and that they wanted to bring him in then, so to me that means we are still signing SHERIDANS players/targets, thus not moved on,

as for the game, as good as the result was i can't help but think the early sending off did for WW, but for that the scoreline might have been different, apart from the 15 mins or so after the sending off when they lost all shape and we took advantage, it seemed a pretty fair contest, infact for a long spell of the 2nd half THEY were the better team, i still am not convinced TW is the man to take this club/team forward, but whilst ever he is in charge will try to support him and as long as we keep getting the results thats all that matters.

[Sabreman]

Not sure how to take you post mate, are you saying you would have preferred it if we hadn't signed the lad. He looks a cracking prospect, hope we can extend his loan. I also think we would have won regardless of the sending off, we had to much for them. We sat back second half and let them play, besides there number 17 they were no threat.

[Goku]

My answer is this: unsure.

Tommy Wright has shown he isn't a carbon copy of Sheridan in the following ways so far:

• He tried a formation that wasn't 4-4-2 (Oldham at home in the JPT when he played 4-2-3-1)
  
• He played a high tempo pressing game in the first half and the first ten minutes of the match yesterday
  
• His interviews are articulate and honest as opposed to guarded and defensive

Re. the signing of Atkinson, I wouldn't read anything into that. If you've got the chance to sign a player who you think is good regardless of who spotted him in the first place/who wanted to sign him then you should take it and that's what he did. I think it's still too early to judge.

What I think will happen is that we'll keep Tommy on till the end of the season and take stock from there.

[valemadness]

spireitetoo, on 16 September 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

i'm not so sure.

listening to TW's interviews before the game yestdi, he mentioned the new lad from hudders was on the radar last year and that they wanted to bring him in then, so to me that means we are still signing SHERIDANS players/targets, thus not moved on,

as for the game, as good as the result was i can't help but think the early sending off did for WW, but for that the scoreline might have been different, apart from the 15 mins or so after the sending off when they lost all shape and we took advantage, it seemed a pretty fair contest, infact for a long spell of the 2nd half THEY were the better team, i still am not convinced TW is the man to take this club/team forward, but whilst ever he is in charge will try to support him and as long as we keep getting the results thats all that matters.

I'm not really sure if Sheridan really ever had any targets. I've heard that Shez was given a list of players by our scout, who was then told I don't care what you think. Now TW on the other hand has openly said he will go and watch matches when we are not playing, Including reserve matches.
It seems to me more and more that although they have been a team for 6 years or more, that there is the possibility that TW and JS didn't see eye to eye on several issues, including players, tactics, training etc.

[Scooby Doo]

spireitetoo, on 16 September 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

i'm not so sure.

listening to TW's interviews before the game yestdi, he mentioned the new lad from hudders was on the radar last year and that they wanted to bring him in then, so to me that means we are still signing SHERIDANS players/targets, thus not moved on,

as for the game, as good as the result was i can't help but think the early sending off did for WW, but for that the scoreline might have been different, apart from the 15 mins or so after the sending off when they lost all shape and we took advantage, it seemed a pretty fair contest, infact for a long spell of the 2nd half THEY were the better team, i still am not convinced TW is the man to take this club/team forward, but whilst ever he is in charge will try to support him and as long as we keep getting the results thats all that matters.

Whether Chris Atkinson is one of Sheridans/Wrights/Chief Scouts targets he looked pretty useful to me yesterday.

+1 for that

This post has been edited by C C CFC: 16 September 2012 - 09:24 AM

[Frank Thacker]

spireitetoo, on 16 September 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

i'm not so sure.

listening to TW's interviews before the game yestdi, he mentioned the new lad from hudders was on the radar last year and that they wanted to bring him in then, so to me that means we are still signing SHERIDANS players/targets, thus not moved on,

He only left a few weeks ago, so we are bound to be signing players that were scouted during Sherdian's reign. The only way we couldn't is if TW went scouting and assembled a private file on targets to be chased down in the event that he ever got the manager's job, which would be a daft thing to do. Just because they were scouted under JS's tenure, it doesn't mean that TW has to sign them: everyone who comes in from now will be a TW man.

[metallilad]

Look. Tommy has been Sheridans No2 for 6 years, so you can say that they both served their apprentiships together, learning things together.
Now, if you were being trained up by somebody that shows you how to hammer a nail into some wood, then you will do it the way you have been trained to do it.
But if you have two trainees that between them figure out a way to hammer this nail into the wood, they are gonna do it that way, it doesn't matter that they don't work together anymore, because if one of them thinks he can hammer it in differently and it doesn't necessarily work out then he will always revert back to the way he taught himself.
What I'm saying is that when Sheridan and Wright first got together as a management team they would have sat down and come up with a plan that they thought would work for them.
Oldham, they took into the play-off zone.
Chesterfield, two trophies in three seasons.
Now, just because Sheridan isn't here anymore what makes you think that Tommy Wright is gonna change things when he knows damn well that the plan he's worked to for 6 years has had success?
So he gives a different style of interview, so what? Interviews don't win matches. Players and tactics do, out of his first four games he's changed it for one match, then reverted back to what he knows best.
Which is the same tactics as what Sheridan would play.

[Goku]

The formation might be the same but the tactics aren't, if you'd been yesterday you would've seen that.

[Nitrous Oxide]

Wish we had their no.17, Grant, he was trying to take us on all by himself.

[Chewy]

i have seen a lot of changes. Both in how TW publicly praises the team ... both before and after the event. JS was very cold with the lads ... i personally see no benefit in this approach - we all need a lift/boost irrespective of what job we do, surely?
Of course he got stuck into R OD and NT - but that's for the dressing room - not morose / whining post match 'interviews' (btw - apart from his TV bloopers moment! Neil was much much better - he won some towering headers in our box from dangerous crosses)
im happy that we keep the ball better - i think the stats back that up - and look a much better unit ... under JS we lost the ball and all watched as they exposed the wide open spaces. 2 away draws (one at the league leaders) and a decent win at home - yes we would all have loved to see us knock in another few in the second half ... but its not that simple - and we all know that
onwards to tues, accy dont get the credit they deserve, and it will be difficult. Good luck to Tommy and the lads

[metallilad]

Goku, on 16 September 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

The formation might be the same but the tactics aren't, if you'd been yesterday you would've seen that.

I was there yesterday. Apart from playing it around instead of long ball football what was the big difference?
We still sat back and invited them to attack.

[spireitetoo]

Goku, on 16 September 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

The formation might be the same but the tactics aren't, if you'd been yesterday you would've seen that.

who are you to judge if someone went or not, just cos someones opinion differs to yours doesn't mean they wasn't there, that particular poster has been a season ticket holder for more yrs than you've been born,you really are so far up yourself you should be inside out.

[Mr Mercury]

metallilad, on 16 September 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

Look. Tommy has been Sheridans No2 for 6 years, so you can say that they both served their apprentiships together, learning things together.
Now, if you were being trained up by somebody that shows you how to hammer a nail into some wood, then you will do it the way you have been trained to do it.
But if you have two trainees that between them figure out a way to hammer this nail into the wood, they are gonna do it that way, it doesn't matter that they don't work together anymore, because if one of them thinks he can hammer it in differently and it doesn't necessarily work out then he will always revert back to the way he taught himself.
What I'm saying is that when Sheridan and Wright first got together as a management team they would have sat down and come up with a plan that they thought would work for them.
Oldham, they took into the play-off zone.
Chesterfield, two trophies in three seasons.
Now, just because Sheridan isn't here anymore what makes you think that Tommy Wright is gonna change things when he knows damn well that the plan he's worked to for 6 years has had success?
So he gives a different style of interview, so what? Interviews don't win matches. Players and tactics do, out of his first four games he's changed it for one match, then reverted back to what he knows best.
Which is the same tactics as what Sheridan would play.

What a complete and utter load of garbage

[Goku]

metallilad, on 16 September 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

I was there yesterday. Apart from playing it around instead of long ball football what was the big difference?
We still sat back and invited them to attack.

Well playing on the floor is a huge difference from playing long ball for a start...

Did you not notice our high up the pitch pressing game? Not notice how high our midfield two moved up the pitch when the opposition had the ball? Under Sheridan they both sat deep.

spireitetoo, on 16 September 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

who are you to judge if someone went or not, just cos someones opinion differs to yours doesn't mean they wasn't there, that particular poster has been a season ticket holder for more yrs than you've been born,you really are so far up yourself you should be inside out.

And you need to stop whinging cos I'm replying to your brother, he's perfectly capable of defending himself/debating a subject without your input.

PS you're gonna have to reply to Mr. Mercury now too

This post has been edited by Goku: 16 September 2012 - 12:30 PM

[spireitetoo]

Goku, on 16 September 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Well playing on the floor is a huge difference from playing long ball for a start...

Did you not notice our high up the pitch pressing game? Not notice how high our midfield two moved up the pitch when the opposition had the ball? Under Sheridan they both sat deep.



And you need to stop whinging cos I'm replying to your brother, he's perfectly capable of defending himself/debating a subject without your input.

PS you're gonna have to reply to Mr. Mercury now too

I only reply when I see fit, you on the other hand have an opinion on everything hence the extra 7000 posts. And yet only joined 4 month before me, which is why you come over as self important moron

[Goku]

Please, cry some more.

[metallilad]

Mr Mercury, on 16 September 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

What a complete and utter load of garbage

Please tell me why. It doesnt make a very good debate when you say something like that without stating any reason.
By the way I think Queen were crap! So MMNNNEEERRRR!

[spireitetoo]

Goku, on 16 September 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Please, cry some more.

Please grow up

[Johnnyspireite7]

spireitetoo, on 16 September 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Please grow up

Same goes for you, calling someone a moron just for disagreeing with your opinion, sheesh!

[metallilad]

Goku, on 16 September 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Well playing on the floor is a huge difference from playing long ball for a start...

Did you not notice our high up the pitch pressing game? Not notice how high our midfield two moved up the pitch when the opposition had the ball? Under Sheridan they both sat deep.

And did you see how we still sat back inviting them on?
Yes, we attacked well yesterday but defensively we were still naive.
Didn't you see that?
I know you would've done if Sheridan was still in charge.
Double standards.