[Blueprint]

dtr36, on 18 September 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Hird captain never in a million years

That's what happens when someone doesn't want to come to league two but your manager desperately needs a centre back and doesn't realise that there may be a very good one at a lower level on a lot less money.

[Town_Fan]

azul, on 18 September 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

I said that on another thread but add Rochdale as well (could have won 4 games with those chances)

We a still in deficit even after tonight

It's interesting to see the thinking of some on here.

Lose but play well and it's the result that matters, win but don't be convincing and it's the performance that takes centre stage.

In short some people are massive hypocrites or, more likely, are just too stupid to comprehend how their own argument sinks them.

[Wooden Spoon]

Blueprint, on 19 September 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

That's what happens when someone doesn't want to come to league two but your manager desperately needs a centre back and doesn't realise that there may be a very good one at a lower level on a lot less money.

Sums it up for me. On the money we are paying we should easily be able to sign a no nonsense Blathers type of CB

[oh rodney rodney]

Spire Power, on 18 September 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

should that read midfielder?

hirds a defender [ allegedly ] last time i looked !

[Blueprint]

oh rodney rodney, on 19 September 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

hirds a defender [ allegedly ] last time i looked !

think they mean that saunders played him in midfield at donny, for some reason. they got relegated whichever his best position is, but i doubt that was all sam's fault.

[semi130497]

lindave, on 18 September 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

We need to appoint a decent manager whilst were on a roll.

I haven't seen any of the games yet (live away from Chesterfield and I'm not made of money) so I cannot comment on Tommy Wright's tactics, and dont really have the expertise to do so anyway.

However he is not to blame for the quality of player he has to work with as he inherited this squad from Sheridan with the exception of the recent loanees. He's also not to blame for generally poor fitness levels but we are told that he is working hard with this, and the players have responded to him.

There may be long term concerns about Tommy Wright's suitability, and in an ideal world we would probably have had a completely new management team when Sheridan was sacked. Unfortunately I don't think we can afford to sack Tommy Wright anyway because of the crazy decision to hand out long term contracts to the management team on the back of one good season, so it's a moot point anyway. Some of the 60 who applied will be better managers than Tommy Wright, but I dont think we can afford them and a competitive budget.


We desperately need Tommy to succeed and whatever the reasons results have improved lately. We should pray this continues and support Tommy, I dont know that we have much choice.

[Town_Fan]

semi130497, on 19 September 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I haven't seen any of the games yet (live away from Chesterfield and I'm not made of money) so I cannot comment on Tommy Wright's tactics, and dont really have the expertise to do so anyway.

However he is not to blame for the quality of player he has to work with as he inherited this squad from Sheridan with the exception of the recent loanees. He's also not to blame for generally poor fitness levels but we are told that he is working hard with this, and the players have responded to him.

There may be long term concerns about Tommy Wright's suitability, and in an ideal world we would probably have had a completely new management team when Sheridan was sacked. Unfortunately I don't think we can afford to sack Tommy Wright anyway because of the crazy decision to hand out long term contracts to the management team on the back of one good season, so it's a moot point anyway. Some of the 60 who applied will be better managers than Tommy Wright, but I dont think we can afford them and a competitive budget.


We desperately need Tommy to succeed and whatever the reasons results have improved lately. We should pray this continues and support Tommy, I dont know that we have much choice.

That's how I see it as well pal.

[rc1979]

I think a lot of people on here either seem to be forgetting or do not realise just how much of a mess Sheridan has left the club in!
How we can say wright is not the man is unfair because any manager would still have the same unfit, unprepared,undersized squad to choose from
I wanted change initially but looking at the situation why blow all the money on paying them off when tw/mc could be given funds to turn things around

[Blueprint]

rc1979, on 19 September 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I think a lot of people on here either seem to be forgetting or do not realise just how much of a mess Sheridan has left the club in!
How we can say wright is not the man is unfair because any manager would still have the same unfit, unprepared,undersized squad to choose from
I wanted change initially but looking at the situation why blow all the money on paying them off when tw/mc could be given funds to turn things around

Exactly!

I think people are expecting Tommy to transform our players overnight.

They totally forget how we got relegated last season.

Take away the loan players that were signed towards the end of last season and try to imagine how good we'd be against top sides in this division.

We've not signed many new players, and certainly not enough to cover over the cracks we had.

[Rodney's Moustache]

rc1979, on 19 September 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I think a lot of people on here either seem to be forgetting or do not realise just how much of a mess Sheridan has left the club in!
How we can say wright is not the man is unfair because any manager would still have the same unfit, unprepared,undersized squad to choose from
I wanted change initially but looking at the situation why blow all the money on paying them off when tw/mc could be given funds to turn things around

Funny how right up to Sheridan being sidelined many were still supporting him and bemoaning all those who dared suggest he wasn't upto it.I wonder if these folk have changed their minds?

[Spireite-Karl]

Rodney, on 19 September 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Funny how right up to Sheridan being sidelined many were still supporting him and bemoaning all those who dared suggest he wasn't upto it.I wonder if these folk have changed their minds?

Spot on RM and I do believe Town Fan who is having a go at fans on here for saying what they see... What's the point of the message board IF we all say the same thing.. 'We won that's nice' and don't discuss the performance??? If you think that peoples opinions are pathetic then what's that make your view?


For what it's worth (and I've said this all along), is that ANY manager (and this includes TW) is going to have their work cut out with the shambles of a squad that JS has once again chucked together. You wouldn't mind so much if we had one of the worst budgets in the league, but to have a good budget once more and get it so wrong says everything about JS! Mind you I have been saying so since six months into his first season
So we may as well give TW the backing and see what he can do with the shambles he's inherited. IF it becomes apparent that he also hasn't got a clue then we need to act, but other than that, lets just wait and see as the large contracts are going to cost.

Team spirit seems to be getting us by at the moment (and the obvious quality of Jack, another stupid thing that clueless Sheridan did was hardly to play him, what a waste!) and it will remain to see what TW will bring to the party when we lose a couple, that will be the real test for him.

Oh, and the performances that we've deserved to win must have been away from home (York apart) as I've not seen a game were we failed to win and we should have (including York).

[Waller is my hero]

rc1979, on 19 September 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

I think a lot of people on here either seem to be forgetting or do not realise just how much of a mess Sheridan has left the club in!
How we can say wright is not the man is unfair because any manager would still have the same unfit, unprepared,undersized squad to choose from
I wanted change initially but looking at the situation why blow all the money on paying them off when tw/mc could be given funds to turn things around

Sheridan has left the club in a mess??? Did Sheridan have a team behind him to train & coach the team?? who were they?? Did TW & MC sit back & keep their mouths shut?? i doubt that...every part of the team is accountable for the state we are in at the moment.

[Blueprint]

It seems to me that just because Hird etc are on X, Y and Z per week they are better than anyone else in the division.

Hird wasn't a regular in a side relegated from the championship, and when he did play his manager played him in midfield. If he was a good centre back at that level he would be a regular in the heart of defence.

Sheridan signed him as he was desperate to bring in a proven centre back and he blew our budget on someone who was out of contract two divisions above where we know play, a team who got relegated to the same division as we were in last season.

[Blueprint]

Waller is my hero, on 19 September 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Sheridan has left the club in a mess??? Did Sheridan have a team behind him to train & coach the team?? who were they?? Did TW & MC sit back & keep their mouths shut?? i doubt that...every part of the team is accountable for the state we are in at the moment.

I would think they gave their opinions but at the end of the day Sheridan would be the one who gave the orders. Also he was the man who released the players he did, offered contracts to the likes of Clay, Randall, and the others who were going to be part of the 22 man squad. He was the man who identified the players he wanted to bring in, and the man who told the players how long to train for. He was the man who told the players how they needed to play - however they didn't listen to him.

As much as Tommy and Crossley was there like any business the manager has the final say and if he wants things done a certain way that is the way they are done.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Blueprint, on 19 September 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

I would think they gave their opinions but at the end of the day Sheridan would be the one who gave the orders. Also he was the man who released the players he did, offered contracts to the likes of Clay, Randall, and the others who were going to be part of the 22 man squad. He was the man who identified the players he wanted to bring in, and the man who told the players how long to train for. He was the man who told the players how they needed to play - however they didn't listen to him.

As much as Tommy and Crossley was there like any business the manager has the final say and if he wants things done a certain way that is the way they are done.

I agree he would have done the retained list but I suspect the decision to release all the one with a history of injury may have been a club decision or policy. If Gregor is fit we could certainly have done with him

[Waller is my hero]

Blueprint, on 19 September 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

I would think they gave their opinions but at the end of the day Sheridan would be the one who gave the orders. Also he was the man who released the players he did, offered contracts to the likes of Clay, Randall, and the others who were going to be part of the 22 man squad. He was the man who identified the players he wanted to bring in, and the man who told the players how long to train for. He was the man who told the players how they needed to play - however they didn't listen to him.

As much as Tommy and Crossley was there like any business the manager has the final say and if he wants things done a certain way that is the way they are done.

Well if that is the case, TW & MC are not good assistants then!!...Assistant Managers are there to train, coach, scout players & discuss tactics. Do you really think MC or TW said to JS...'no don't sign Sam Hird, because he is pants'???? It was MC's opinion & decision that brought in Fleming, Soderburg & O'Donnell...TW managed the side when Sheridan was ill - that trio have been together for years(5 years)! Your saying JS dictated everything in all those years??

This post has been edited by Waller is my hero: 19 September 2012 - 06:06 PM

[Beelzebub]

Waller is my hero, on 19 September 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well if that is the case, TW & MC are not good assistants then!!...Assistant Managers are there to train, coach & discuss tactics. Do you really think MC or TW said to JS...'no don't sign Sam Hird, because he is pants'???? It was MC's opinion & decision that brought in Fleming, Soderburg & O'Donnell...TW managed the side when Sheridan was ill - that trio have been together for years(5 years)! Your saying JS dictated everything in all those years??

you must have had some very odd managers. I've not met one yet who took the advice of his staff. Every manager is a dictator, fact of life.

[Blueprint]

Waller is my hero, on 19 September 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well if that is the case, TW & MC are not good assistants then!!...Assistant Managers are there to train, coach & discuss tactics. Do you really think MC or TW said to JS...'no don't sign Sam Hird, because he is pants'???? It was MC's opinion & decision that brought in Fleming, Soderburg & O'Donnell...TW managed the side when Sheridan was ill - that trio have been together for years(5 years)! Your saying JS dictated everything in all those years??

Well neither of us know all the ins and outs for certain but I believe that Wright and Crossley will advise, coach and train but Sheridan will be the man who makes the decisions and his assistants assist him. If he wants things done a certain way then it's up to his assistants to do what he wants. If Sheridan wants to sign Hird then then I'm sure he'll have his reasons for doing so. Crossley improved Tommy Lee as he is the goalkeeping coach. He played with Fleming at Oldham but for some reason he never looked good enough for us - perhaps the defence in front of him didn't help matters, he did get a clean sheet in his first game I think, but I don't think the management were expecting Tommy Lee to be out for as long as he was so didn't sign an amazing back up keeper. The signing of Soderberg was a disaster given the circumstances, but you can't ignore how Tommy Lee has developed. O'Donnell has potential but given he was released by Wednesday he can't be perfect.

Tommy will have learned a lot from Sheridan, there will be things over the last 5 years that I'm sure Tommy would have done differently to JS if he was the man in the hotseat.

[Waller is my hero]

Beelzebub, on 19 September 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

you must have had some very odd managers. I've not met one yet who took the advice of his staff. Every manager is a dictator, fact of life.

Odd managers or good managers?? I've experienced both! yes, there are managers that have the attitude of 'i'm your boss & my decision is final' (those managers instantly create disharmony..do you think MC & TW sat back & took that attitude for 5 years?) as well as managers that respect peoples opinions & make correct decisions based on valuable experience....& i'm a manager, i would always discuss business issues before decisions are made!

Blueprint, on 19 September 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Well neither of us know all the ins and outs for certain but I believe that Wright and Crossley will advise, coach and train but Sheridan will be the man who makes the decisions and his assistants assist him. If he wants things done a certain way then it's up to his assistants to do what he wants. If Sheridan wants to sign Hird then then I'm sure he'll have his reasons for doing so. Crossley improved Tommy Lee as he is the goalkeeping coach. He played with Fleming at Oldham but for some reason he never looked good enough for us - perhaps the defence in front of him didn't help matters, he did get a clean sheet in his first game I think, but I don't think the management were expecting Tommy Lee to be out for as long as he was so didn't sign an amazing back up keeper. The signing of Soderberg was a disaster given the circumstances, but you can't ignore how Tommy Lee has developed. O'Donnell has potential but given he was released by Wednesday he can't be perfect.

Tommy will have learned a lot from Sheridan, there will be things over the last 5 years that I'm sure Tommy would have done differently to JS if he was the man in the hotseat.

good post, agreed

[Blueprint]

Waller is my hero, on 19 September 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Odd managers or good managers?? I've experienced both! yes, there are managers that have the attitude of 'i'm your boss & my decision is final' (those managers instantly create disharmony..do you think MC & TW sat back & took that attitude for 5 years?) as well as managers that respect peoples opinions & make correct decisions based on valuable experience....& i'm a manager, i would always discuss business issues before decisions are made!

What type of manager do you think JS is given how he treated the players, and the fans when things weren't going well, and how he came across in interview?

Tommy and Crossley were assistants at a professional football club, who wouldn't want to be in that job if given the chance, given the amount of players that don't become managers and assistants I'm sure they were willing to take the rough with the smooth.

I don't think it was a case of sitting back and taking it - it being being given tasks and instructions by the man who was their manager. When Tommy came here most fans said they wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him, I don't suggest he's a walkover but I do think he knew that if he's number two his manager has the final say on things.