[whittman]

Imo Archer had a very big culture shock going from basically bowling a maximum of 4 overs in t20 to the hard grind of overs in a test match

The adrenalin of bowling in his first test carried him through in that match but he has hit the wall since then

Lets see how he performs at the Oval

[JonB]

Also on Thursday at old Trafford it was freezing and colder on Wednesday apparently...hardly ideal for wanging it down at 90mph for a lad from Barbados!!

[Mr_Pleasant]

JonB, on 09 September 2019 - 07:18 PM, said:

Also on Thursday at old Trafford it was freezing and colder on Wednesday apparently...hardly ideal for wanging it down at 90mph for a lad from Barbados!!

I was at Old Trafford Wednesday. It was chuffing baltic. Bad toss to lose and bad bowling conditions, definitely.

[JonB]

Mr_Pleasant, on 09 September 2019 - 08:00 PM, said:

I was at Old Trafford Wednesday. It was chuffing baltic. Bad toss to lose and bad bowling conditions, definitely.

Lad i was with who did Wednesday and Thursday reckoned it was slightly warmer on Thursday but not much. Certainly not great cricket playing or watching conditions. Throw in the £5.50 a pint Fosters crap whilst watching Smith canter along and it wasnt a great day!!

[Mr_Pleasant]

JonB, on 10 September 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

Lad i was with who did Wednesday and Thursday reckoned it was slightly warmer on Thursday but not much. Certainly not great cricket playing or watching conditions. Throw in the £5.50 a pint Fosters crap whilst watching Smith canter along and it wasnt a great day!!

We made sure we went to the cask ale tent. In the circumstances, Fosters or John Smiths at that price would have pushed me over the edge!

[JonB]

Mr_Pleasant, on 10 September 2019 - 08:47 AM, said:

We made sure we went to the cask ale tent. In the circumstances, Fosters or John Smiths at that price would have pushed me over the edge!

To be honest we only had a couple so it wasnt that much of an issue and didnt really venture any further round from where our stand was next to the hotel that overlooks the ground. I had a long old day all in having been up since 6am to help get the car packed so the other half and young one could get off to Scarborough ok then i was on the train from Chesterfield just before 8, change at Sheffield onto a two carriage job all the way to Manchester that was packed then a packed tram over to the ground to meet my mate, day at the cricket in the cold then back to Manchester but over to Victoria station so he could meet the family and get the train back to where they were stopping near Burnley leaving me an hour to kill before my train to Scarborough that got in about 10:40pm!! After a brief walk to meet up with the family at the hotel in Scarborough i was knackered!! Had i been on the ale all day as well i'd have been asleep in Manchester and missed the train let alone fallen asleep on the train!!

[Stents]

We are currently undertaking a heritage project at our club (Hundall CC). And want to digitalize our entire history. We have scorebooks ranging from the 60's to the current day that people have been uploading to play cricket and creating a list of players in order of appearance, an honours board, etc, etc.

If anybody's club has any historical scorebooks that we'd be able to have a flick through and look for any fixtures vs Hundall CC please let me know.

Also, if anybody has any tips on how we're going to get any further back than the 50's/60's I'm all ears!

[JonB]

Great test match victory for England in Sth Africa. One in the eye for those thinking 4 day tests are the future.

[Stents]

DCCL seemingly was the only league that played this weekend with lots of others starting this coming weekend instead.

What does everyone think of the sanitizer breaks every 6 overs?

[JonB]

Not sure if it was luck or judgement that the DCCL had fixtures in place that started last Saturday, possibly a bit of both that they were done in anticipation of an earlier announcement about starting that then had the vector of disease crap announcement only for the u-turn to mean they were able to go ahead. Although in all the years i've played the DCCL has been streets ahead organisation wise than most other leagues. Fixtures out not long after the previous season ended, took on the electronic side of things like results etc long before others.

I didnt play last Saturday but hopefully turning out this weekend away at Clowne, not heard that many complaints from our lads that did turn out. Personally i suspect the majority will be happy to do what it takes to get a game, definitely been weird for me having played 20+ seasons to not play at all. Did have a bowl in the nets a couple of Thursdays ago which was the first time i'd bowled since last season and i survived it...just!!

[Stents]

JonB, on 14 July 2020 - 03:11 PM, said:

Not sure if it was luck or judgement that the DCCL had fixtures in place that started last Saturday, possibly a bit of both that they were done in anticipation of an earlier announcement about starting that then had the vector of disease crap announcement only for the u-turn to mean they were able to go ahead. Although in all the years i've played the DCCL has been streets ahead organisation wise than most other leagues. Fixtures out not long after the previous season ended, took on the electronic side of things like results etc long before others.

I didnt play last Saturday but hopefully turning out this weekend away at Clowne, not heard that many complaints from our lads that did turn out. Personally i suspect the majority will be happy to do what it takes to get a game, definitely been weird for me having played 20+ seasons to not play at all. Did have a bowl in the nets a couple of Thursdays ago which was the first time i'd bowled since last season and i survived it...just!!

You play for Ashover don't you? We were up at your place on Saturday. Seemed a lot more organized than we were!

[JonB]

Stents, on 15 July 2020 - 01:51 PM, said:

You play for Ashover don't you? We were up at your place on Saturday. Seemed a lot more organized than we were!

Yes i do, would have been playing against you had i not made plans already for a birthday BBQ for myself with some family after the fixtures came out but prior to Boris changing his mind about letting us play.

It didnt seem that organised on Wednesday evening when i was one of three folk trying to put the covers back together so they could go over the track as it wazzed it down. Both me and the dog were drenched by the time we were finished although at least we got it sorted and they will have helped get the game on. Track was only cut on Wednesday so it didnt have much in terms of preparation but i suspect the low scores weren't due to the track that much....our team was definitely missing a number of normal first teamers including at least two batsmen. See what sort of side we can roll out this weekend.

[Stents]

JonB, on 15 July 2020 - 02:15 PM, said:

Yes i do, would have been playing against you had i not made plans already for a birthday BBQ for myself with some family after the fixtures came out but prior to Boris changing his mind about letting us play.

It didnt seem that organised on Wednesday evening when i was one of three folk trying to put the covers back together so they could go over the track as it wazzed it down. Both me and the dog were drenched by the time we were finished although at least we got it sorted and they will have helped get the game on. Track was only cut on Wednesday so it didnt have much in terms of preparation but i suspect the low scores weren't due to the track that much....our team was definitely missing a number of normal first teamers including at least two batsmen. See what sort of side we can roll out this weekend.

You could tell that it'd only had a few days prep. Slow track and outfield definitely didn't help the scores. But a games a game isn't it, can imagine a lot were the same that first weekend. They're only going to get better over the course of the season.

[JonB]

Stents, on 20 July 2020 - 12:13 PM, said:

You could tell that it'd only had a few days prep. Slow track and outfield definitely didn't help the scores. But a games a game isn't it, can imagine a lot were the same that first weekend. They're only going to get better over the course of the season.

Not sure aside from being cut it had any prep to be honest, its all done by the council and the last few years its gone from a guy who did them all and was a groundsman to him overseeing a group of lads who effectively just turn up and cut the outfield and wickets as required. We've got a heavy roller we can use but its finding the time for someone to use it enough to make a difference and then during a continued spell of warm weather, which may not be all that often, it just falls apart from not getting watered enough. Suspect folk playing against our seconds at Walton Dam will find some better tracks to play on.

I had an enjoyable enough first outing at Clowne on Saturday. Was nice to be playing despite the weather, an umpire who didnt want to be there and us throwing away a decent position. In a strange way its nice to get back to not being able to move properly for a few days after bowling!!

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 20 July 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

Not sure aside from being cut it had any prep to be honest, its all done by the council and the last few years its gone from a guy who did them all and was a groundsman to him overseeing a group of lads who effectively just turn up and cut the outfield and wickets as required. We've got a heavy roller we can use but its finding the time for someone to use it enough to make a difference and then during a continued spell of warm weather, which may not be all that often, it just falls apart from not getting watered enough. Suspect folk playing against our seconds at Walton Dam will find some better tracks to play on.

I had an enjoyable enough first outing at Clowne on Saturday. Was nice to be playing despite the weather, an umpire who didnt want to be there and us throwing away a decent position. In a strange way its nice to get back to not being able to move properly for a few days after bowling!!

What did the umpire say? If they didn’t want to be there they didn’t have to be!

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 20 July 2020 - 05:54 PM, said:

What did the umpire say? If they didn’t want to be there they didn’t have to be!

We played for a bit in some rain and then after about 25mins they took us off despite it being no different. Then 10 mins later with one of ours at Tesco getting some cash, we were fielding, and it still raining pretty much the same we went back on. Played about another 6/7 overs and it rains again so off we come for a longish break. When it stops one umpire strides out brolly up and summons both captains and tries to tell them it’s dangerous and should be called off especially as some of ours weren’t wearing spikes which was untrue and he’d not checked anyone’s footwear. Both captains said it wasn’t dangerous by which time the other umpire has joined them. We then go back on with him looking not best pleased, we have a speculative appeal for lbw and finger is up in a shot followed by our opener being sawn off first ball of the innings with an appalling decision making it pretty clear he was trying to accelerate the result so he could go home. As it happened most others kept their pads out of the way so he didn’t get chance to give any more but he was whinging about the late finish. He was happy to take his £40 though.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 20 July 2020 - 06:51 PM, said:

We played for a bit in some rain and then after about 25mins they took us off despite it being no different. Then 10 mins later with one of ours at Tesco getting some cash, we were fielding, and it still raining pretty much the same we went back on. Played about another 6/7 overs and it rains again so off we come for a longish break. When it stops one umpire strides out brolly up and summons both captains and tries to tell them it’s dangerous and should be called off especially as some of ours weren’t wearing spikes which was untrue and he’d not checked anyone’s footwear. Both captains said it wasn’t dangerous by which time the other umpire has joined them. We then go back on with him looking not best pleased, we have a speculative appeal for lbw and finger is up in a shot followed by our opener being sawn off first ball of the innings with an appalling decision making it pretty clear he was trying to accelerate the result so he could go home. As it happened most others kept their pads out of the way so he didn’t get chance to give any more but he was whinging about the late finish. He was happy to take his £40 though.

I couldn't possibly try to defend an umpires performance when not in attendance but maybe you could use the 'how out' coloum of the scorecard to indicate moods.

However I do find it hypocritical claiming umpires don't want to be there when they are made so welcome! All the arrival pleasantries are very nice but what about the changing rooms (I'm talking normal times obviously not under the present protocol). What message it sent to umpires on entering their changing accommodation???
Of the 4 grounds mentioned in these latest posts Clowne is acceptable the others an award of 'could do better' or a disgrace is appropriate.

Ashover would be ok if it wasnt used for storage reducing the minimal floor space by appx25% giving the impression that umpires were just an after thought.

Walton Dam, again full of un(never)used equipment rendering putting ones bag down a work of art. The memorable bits being the removal of claggy socks and jock straps (it was pleasing that all craggy underpants had been removed by some entrepreneur for sale as a protest item at the then Proact) before one could sit down.

Hundall. You can't criticise things that aren't there (in a 6'x 4' shed) but a worm free floor, mended broken panes in the window and a door that shut, that doesn't swing open distracting the umpire during play, would help.

It's easy to criticise (and probably rightly so on some occasions) umpires, but getting them in the right frame of mind may help. Going to a ground earlier season and returning later to see the same crap strewn about gives the wrong impression.

NB.All based on none covid seasons and appreciating Hundall are attempting to improve facilities but a little effort last season wouldn't have gone a miss,

Good luck to all for the remainder of this short season.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 21 July 2020 - 08:23 AM

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 20 July 2020 - 06:51 PM, said:

We played for a bit in some rain and then after about 25mins they took us off despite it being no different. Then 10 mins later with one of ours at Tesco getting some cash, we were fielding, and it still raining pretty much the same we went back on. Played about another 6/7 overs and it rains again so off we come for a longish break. When it stops one umpire strides out brolly up and summons both captains and tries to tell them it’s dangerous and should be called off especially as some of ours weren’t wearing spikes which was untrue and he’d not checked anyone’s footwear. Both captains said it wasn’t dangerous by which time the other umpire has joined them. We then go back on with him looking not best pleased, we have a speculative appeal for lbw and finger is up in a shot followed by our opener being sawn off first ball of the innings with an appalling decision making it pretty clear he was trying to accelerate the result so he could go home. As it happened most others kept their pads out of the way so he didn’t get chance to give any more but he was whinging about the late finish. He was happy to take his £40 though.

I saw the scorecard - poor old Jack!

[Westbars Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 21 July 2020 - 08:14 AM, said:

I couldn't possibly try to defend an umpires performance when not in attendance but maybe you could use the 'how out' coloum of the scorecard to indicate moods.

However I do find it hypocritical claiming umpires don't want to be there when they are made so welcome! All the arrival pleasantries are very nice but what about the changing rooms (I'm talking normal times obviously not under the present protocol). What message it sent to umpires on entering their changing accommodation???
Of the 4 grounds mentioned in these latest posts Clowne is acceptable the others an award of 'could do better' or a disgrace is appropriate.

Ashover would be ok if it wasnt used for storage reducing the minimal floor space by appx25% giving the impression that umpires were just an after thought.

Walton Dam, again full of un(never)used equipment rendering putting ones bag down a work of art. The memorable bits being the removal of claggy socks and jock straps (it was pleasing that all craggy underpants had been removed by some entrepreneur for sale as a protest item at the then Proact) before one could sit down.

Hundall. You can't criticise things that aren't there (in a 6'x 4' shed) but a worm free floor, mended broken panes in the window and a door that shut, that doesn't swing open distracting the umpire during play, would help.

It's easy to criticise (and probably rightly so on some occasions) umpires, but getting them in the right frame of mind may help. Going to a ground earlier season and returning later to see the same crap strewn about gives the wrong impression.

NB.All based on none covid seasons and appreciating Hundall are attempting to improve facilities but a little effort last season wouldn't have gone a miss,

Good luck to all for the remainder of this short season.

Why do umpires want changing facilities anyway? When I become an umpire (I’ll be exceptionally good) I would just rock up out my car ready to rock and roll.

[JonB]

clarevoyant., on 21 July 2020 - 08:14 AM, said:

I couldn't possibly try to defend an umpires performance when not in attendance but maybe you could use the 'how out' coloum of the scorecard to indicate moods.

However I do find it hypocritical claiming umpires don't want to be there when they are made so welcome! All the arrival pleasantries are very nice but what about the changing rooms (I'm talking normal times obviously not under the present protocol). What message it sent to umpires on entering their changing accommodation???
Of the 4 grounds mentioned in these latest posts Clowne is acceptable the others an award of 'could do better' or a disgrace is appropriate.

Ashover would be ok if it wasnt used for storage reducing the minimal floor space by appx25% giving the impression that umpires were just an after thought.

Walton Dam, again full of un(never)used equipment rendering putting ones bag down a work of art. The memorable bits being the removal of claggy socks and jock straps (it was pleasing that all craggy underpants had been removed by some entrepreneur for sale as a protest item at the then Proact) before one could sit down.

Hundall. You can't criticise things that aren't there but a worm free floor, mended broken panes in the window and a door that shut, that doesn't swing open distracting the umpire during play, would help.

It's easy to criticise (and probably rightly so on some occasions) umpires, but getting them in the right frame of mind may help. Going to a ground earlier season and returning later to see the same crap strewn about gives the wrong impression.

NB.All based on none covid seasons and appreciating Hundall are attempting to improve facilities but a little effort last season wouldn't have gone a miss,

Good luck to all for the remainder of this short season.

I had no issue with my dismissal as it was out, my own fault for trying to play defensive when i cant but two of the other decisions were disgraceful. Two decisions aside his general performance was fine but his attitude in trying to get it called off with no discussion with the other umpire who i dont think realised what he was doing wasnt on. Especially at the moment when folk have missed half a season and just want to play a bit of cricket. Some clubs are not lucky enough to have top facilities and need to make the most of what they have. Ashover doesnt have the biggest room for them but there isnt loads stored in there, generally its the bucket of boundary markers which are then being used for games and some stumps i thought. Not sure what else is in there.

I just dont like it when umpires turn up and want to be noticed, in my eyes with both umpires and referees if at the end of the game you can turn round and say you didnt notice them then they've probably had a good game. At local level too many want to get involved with stuff and make a big deal out of things that they dont need to make a big deal out of. On Saturday no one had slipped, fallen or anything like that bowling or fielding, comments about what folk had on their feet when he hadnt checked anything just made him look a fool.