[Stents]

JonB, on 20 September 2016 - 03:33 PM, said:

There are a couple of rules in the DCCL to cover it. You cant drop to a lower XI if the higher one has no game if you've played so many games for the higher team in the last so many days (cant remember the exact rule) and if you've played 15 games i think it is by a date in August you cant drop to a lower team full stop. Bit messy early in the season not helped by the league using the spirit of cricket thing to manufacture rulings but it works as well as anything i've come across. We once got done for playing a lad in the 2nds in the opening game of the season who was U16. It was deemed he was a first team player so couldnt play for our seconds that day and the second team had points deducted yet league rules actually say that as an U16 he could have turned out for any team in the league as part of this trying to help clubs get games on...so instead of turning out in 7N for our 2nds which was frowned upon there was nothing stopping him turning out in 10N for example for a team struggling to get 11 out.

Now you mention the midweek one i remember it. Had fun juggling that one in the past when i captained the old Royal Mail\CSC\Clay Cross midweek team. More than once i ended up speaking to the league to allow players to play as i didnt have 11 that met the minimum games played thing due to rained off games etc.

That is ridiculous.

We have had it a few times, they seem quite happy for you to fill scorecards in for rain affected games if players haven't met the quota.

[Cartman]

Stents, on 20 September 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

That is ridiculous.

We have had it a few times, they seem quite happy for you to fill scorecards in for rain affected games if players haven't met the quota.

yeah, they've let us do that as well

not sure we'll have a midweek team next year, we only managed to play all our games this season due to having Barbs players come and play once they folded

Midweek cricket appears to be dying a bit of a death unfortunately

[Stents]

We struggle the most for midweek.

Who do you play for?

[JonB]

I think Holmewood have a midweek side which is who Cartman will turn out for. Players were the main issue we finally called it a day with our side, got harder work as the mainstays of the side over the years got older and various things made it more difficult to turn out more or less straight from work til gone 9 for getting home. From experience the last couple of years it seems more clubs on a weekend are struggling as well....we've played some very poor sides these last two seasons the majority of which are 2nd teams struggling to turn sides out.

[Cartman]

Stents, on 21 September 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

We struggle the most for midweek.

Who do you play for?

Holmewood

As JB says, along with many others I find it difficult in midweek with work, think I managed 2 midweek games this season to make numbers up

On a side point, one of those games was at Holmesfield - I'll be interested to see how they get on with opposition captains marking their pitch next season - nowt got above shin height!

[JonB]

Cartman, on 21 September 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

On a side point, one of those games was at Holmesfield - I'll be interested to see how they get on with opposition captains marking their pitch next season - nowt got above shin height!

I would have thought it will be fine as in the eyes of a lot of people in the DCCL thats what a track should be. Batsmen can just go out, plant their front foot and play the ball without worry of getting hit. No surprise that lots of players start panicking once they have to play off the back foot as they come from grounds where they dont have to do it and instantly its a bad pitch even though the bounce is from back of a length where it should bounce higher. PS...spot the bowler!

[Stents]

Think we could struggle next year with a lot of our mainstays heading off to uni.

I think Holmesfield will struggle in 4 anyway, mainly because they only have about 13 players... But yeah not a great ground.

Think we could see a reshuffle of the midweek league, down to 11 teams now...

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[JonB]

It'll be an interesting comparison of the YDCL to the DCCL in terms of strength. It seems on the outside that Holmesfield have been a pretty strong YDCL side. I suspect 4N will be stronger next season than this what with 3 teams being relegated being 2nd teams whilst at least two of the replacements are first teams. Chesterfield 2nds could struggle next season if they carry on with the 3rds as well.

[Stents]

Over the last few years Apperknowle have gone from the bottom of 1 into 6 and done fairly well, Baslow have gone from the bottom of 2 into 7 and walked it! So based on that you'd say 4/5 would maybe be suitable.

I can't think of any sides that have moved from 1 recently. But winning Div 1 of the YDCL has always offered a place in 4N in the DCCL. Certainly will be interesting to see how they do.

[JonB]

Stents, on 21 September 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Over the last few years Apperknowle have gone from the bottom of 1 into 6 and done fairly well, Baslow have gone from the bottom of 2 into 7 and walked it! So based on that you'd say 4/5 would maybe be suitable.

I can't think of any sides that have moved from 1 recently. But winning Div 1 of the YDCL has always offered a place in 4N in the DCCL. Certainly will be interesting to see how they do.

I think Holmesfield are probably the first team to take up the option of joining after winning the YDCL so it will be a good test of things. Its probably a bit of a jump from 6 & 7 to 4 and its never easy to gauge where a side should be. I see Buxton came over into 6 i think it was and got relegated as the flip side of it.

Problem with cricket is for a team sport one very good player can have a massive impact on a game like when Pilsley used to get 200 with Bin Nasir getting 150 of them and things like that. Makes it not easy for the league to gauge properly where a team should go. I actually dont know much about the Holmesfield side but seemed to be the same names getting the runs and wickets each year. Also over the years one team clubs never seem to do well in the DCCL plus if they did get higher they start coming across the various ground\junior setup requirements. Looking forward to going there as it will be a change from the usual places we go and, for me, nearly as close as a home game. Knowing my luck it will probably drop whilst i'm on holiday!!

[Westbars Spireite]

It's not much of a boundary to the top side at Holmesfield (well Millthorpe to be precise). I can see a few of our lads clearing the road with ease and going well over the other side! The first time I played there the pavilion was a rickety wooden thing in the bottom corner.

[JonB]

Westbars Spireite, on 21 September 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:

It's not much of a boundary to the top side at Holmesfield (well Millthorpe to be precise). I can see a few of our lads clearing the road with ease and going well over the other side! The first time I played there the pavilion was a rickety wooden thing in the bottom corner.

I've cleared the road so someone with batting ability should be fine!

Pavilion is now ok up in the top corner as you walk onto the ground.

[Westbars Spireite]

JonB, on 21 September 2016 - 08:45 PM, said:

I've cleared the road so someone with batting ability should be fine!

Pavilion is now ok up in the top corner as you walk onto the ground.

I think I might have played a midweek game there once since that was built. It was that long ago though it was for Sheepbridge!

From memory there's a weird trench at one of one the ground just beyond the boundary that runs the width of the site.

[JonB]

Like you its been a while since i was up there and seeing as it was midweek i was probably captain and more bothered about trying to ensure all 11 had turned up, i'd got enough balls to get through the game and then trying to keep on top of the batting, bowling and fielding to notice much more about the ground. From memory the boundary to the bottom is bigger as the square seems to be nearer the top end but could be wrong. Also remember that the pub they use was one that was about to close until the village bought it between them to keep it open...possibly the only pub i've been in that had Pimms & Lemonade on tap!

[clarevoyant.]

Stents, on 21 September 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Over the last few years Apperknowle have gone from the bottom of 1 into 6 and done fairly well, Baslow have gone from the bottom of 2 into 7 and walked it! So based on that you'd say 4/5 would maybe be suitable.

A few sides over the years have rapidly climbed through the "lower leaguues" only to have their meteoric rise abruptly halted when reaching the leagues with supplied umpires

[JonB]

Looking at Baslows stats they seem very reliant on three players, 2 batting were way ahead of anyone else and only one bowler actually took enough wickets to make the league averages despite them walking the league. Be interesting to see how far that gets them. Only name of the three i recognise is Chris Cowley who has played a decent standard with Bolsover and Cutthorpe in the past.

[Stents]

I can remember a couple of friends at Cutthorpe being very surprised when we were playing against Cowley for Baslow. He never really fired in the YDCL though, think i got him out cheap both times in their last season.

Don't recognise the other guy with the bat.

Andy Hone is the guy who takes all their wickets. Weird one as he isn't anything special but always seems to do well..

I'm surprised to see them do as well as they have, maybe they are one league too low.

based on theirs and Apperknowle's performance I'd say we would sit comfortably in 6

[JonB]

Stents, on 22 September 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

I can remember a couple of friends at Cutthorpe being very surprised when we were playing against Cowley for Baslow. He never really fired in the YDCL though, think i got him out cheap both times in their last season.

Don't recognise the other guy with the bat.

Andy Hone is the guy who takes all their wickets. Weird one as he isn't anything special but always seems to do well..

I'm surprised to see them do as well as they have, maybe they are one league too low.

based on theirs and Apperknowle's performance I'd say we would sit comfortably in 6

Not sure i've ever played against Chris as he's generally always played in a different league to me either Bassetlaw or YDCL. Played against his dad once in Indoor cricket at Sharley Park but less said about that the better!

Surprising how at that level just being consistently straight on a good length will get wickets. Numerous examples of similar types of bowler over the years doing this.

[Cartman]

played in same side as Chris Cowley at Bolsover - good player - exceptional fielder!

surprised Andy Hone has time between making his hair look pretty to bowl!!!! Didn't know he played as much cricket as he does (his brother posts on Bob's Board an all!)

Does YDCL still allow bowlers to bowl as many overs as they want - could be a barrier to coming into the DCCL if you suddenly need 4 or 5 bowlers instead of 2!

[JonB]

Cartman, on 22 September 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

played in same side as Chris Cowley at Bolsover - good player - exceptional fielder!

surprised Andy Hone has time between making his hair look pretty to bowl!!!! Didn't know he played as much cricket as he does (his brother posts on Bob's Board an all!)

Does YDCL still allow bowlers to bowl as many overs as they want - could be a barrier to coming into the DCCL if you suddenly need 4 or 5 bowlers instead of 2!

Thought it was the same one but wasnt sure. Seems i used to pick the wrong one for the midweek team!!