[SpireiteFitzy]

Agreed with Broad and Jimmy. Both need to retire from the short formats cause frankly they aren't good enough for what is required. Trouble is we have no natural replacements. Hales needs an extended run as opener cause he has the potential to be a very good player.

[Westbars Spireite]

What an absolutely disgraceful effort overall. Can't bat quickly enough and impotent bowling against any level of opposition.

[JonB]

There seems to be a fear factor for a batsman as well....its all well and good saying they need to bat more freely but if they try to do that and get out doing it they are lambasted by some of the idiots in the press and ex players living it up on Sky and they are under pressure for their place. Other nations its just expected that occasionally it wont happen for them. Maxwell has been toss for ages but they've kept picking him under no pressure and he smacks a brutal 100....still a ****** though.

Until we as a country and setup accept that limited overs is a different environment where failure has to be accepted sometimes then we'll get nowhere. With not to much change we're not to far off being ok up front and in the final overs but the middle overs are where we struggle. Countries just bowl a bucket load of spin at us and we're done for.

[Stents]

Ali - Good player, probably deserves his spot just very inconsistant
Bell - Dont think he should be picked for the shorter formats of the game, bats too slow. Would he get into any of the sides that have qualified?
Hales - Good to see him get in ahead of Bairstow who isn't good enough. Would of liked him to have replaced Bell at 2 though,
Root - Hit and miss... Great player on his day. ECB's Dan Gardner.
Morgan - has hardly scored a run in about 2 years... Get back to the player he used to be or get out.
Taylor - Should be higher up the order for me... Like to see him in at 3 see what he could do.
Bowlers - Not up to much at all.

No wonder we haven't qualified...

I'd like to see our top 5 as;
Hales
Lyth
Taylor
Ali
Root

Cant do any worse surely?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Pathetic.

At a time when everyone else is incorporating the dynamism and aggression of twenty/twenty cricket into their fifty over game, England are trying to play test match tactics.

Worse still they seem tied-up with preconceived plans and have lost the ability to be spontaneous.

Four years to prepare, the whole schedule adjusted to offer the best opportunity, yet the same old conservative attitudes have seen us humiliated.

[JonB]

Stents, on 09 March 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ali - Good player, probably deserves his spot just very inconsistant
Bell - Dont think he should be picked for the shorter formats of the game, bats too slow. Would he get into any of the sides that have qualified?
Hales - Good to see him get in ahead of Bairstow who isn't good enough. Would of liked him to have replaced Bell at 2 though,
Root - Hit and miss... Great player on his day. ECB's Dan Gardner.
Morgan - has hardly scored a run in about 2 years... Get back to the player he used to be or get out.
Taylor - Should be higher up the order for me... Like to see him in at 3 see what he could do.
Bowlers - Not up to much at all.

No wonder we haven't qualified...

I'd like to see our top 5 as;
Hales
Lyth
Taylor
Ali
Root

Cant do any worse surely?

Hales, Roy, Taylor, Root, Morgan, Ali, Buttler as a top 7 for me going forward...Roy a gamble but seems to be next in line to get a go. Morgan had a bad spell but still one of our better limited over players. The key is letting them all just bat when it appears Moores and co make things very structured and set plans etc which isnt the way to go.

[satnav]

The trouble with this world cup is that we have not learnt anything new about any of our players. We were never going to win the cup so at least we should have let some younger players gain a bit of experience.

The batting is very poor but all the chopping and changing is probably to blame for that. I really can't understand why Bopra didn't get a game especially given that he gives the captain an extra bowling option. In terms of bowling we just lack variety because the four seamers are much of a muchness. We either need a left arm quickie in there to mix things up a bit or a specialist spinner. If you have a sixth bowler in the team at least you can withdraw a bowler from the attack if he is taking too much stick.

[JonB]

Bowling wise from what we took we needed to play Tredwell more instead of Jordan or Finn. I dont rate Bopara...been involved to long without doing much to be honest other than when it doesnt matter. The stupid decision was the late inclusion of Ballance when they should have played Hales with Bell and batted Ali at 6.

[Bonnyman]

JonB, on 09 March 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

Bowling wise from what we took we needed to play Tredwell more instead of Jordan or Finn. I dont rate Bopara...been involved to long without doing much to be honest other than when it doesnt matter. The stupid decision was the late inclusion of Ballance when they should have played Hales with Bell and batted Ali at 6.

Cricket is a joke of a sport until everybody realises that winning the ashes is not greater than winning world cups then it will never go forward, lets face it the ashes is probably the most overated sporting event there is hugely overhyped yet a world cup event gets a miniscule amount of hype yet is far more important.The ashes should have parity with the oxford cambridge boat race imo.

[JonB]

Erwan dsihounou, on 10 March 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

Cricket is a joke of a sport until everybody realises that winning the ashes is not greater than winning world cups then it will never go forward, lets face it the ashes is probably the most overated sporting event there is hugely overhyped yet a world cup event gets a miniscule amount of hype yet is far more important.The ashes should have parity with the oxford cambridge boat race imo.

Ashes is massive both here and Australia...the over hyped events are the likes of the IPL and Big Bash League! Also the ashes and the world cup are two different facets of the game and arent comparable. One is 5 day test cricket, the other 1 day cricket so winning both should be an aim as it takes different skills.

I'm really hoping your post is an attempt at a wind up because its so out of touch its unreal! Even the ICC dont rate the world cup currently...its barely been played in the same format two comps running the last few that have taken place and now they are more or less ditching some of the associate nations so its smaller which is completely against what a world cup should be doing. If that does happen it will be pointless really other than compressing a few ODI games into a shorter period of time.

This post has been edited by JonB: 10 March 2015 - 08:44 AM

[JonB]

Away from the England debacle....two decent wins for Derbyshire in their first two games, high scoring 50 over game they won by 6 runs v Worcestershire then a comfortable T20 win v an ICC Associate XI with most of the Derbyshire side being the younger lads. Hundred for big Ches v Worcestershire and new signing Thakor scoring 97 from 47 balls in the T20 game.

[Westbars Spireite]

Erwan dsihounou, on 10 March 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

Cricket is a joke of a sport until everybody realises that winning the ashes is not greater than winning world cups then it will never go forward, lets face it the ashes is probably the most overated sporting event there is hugely overhyped yet a world cup event gets a miniscule amount of hype yet is far more important.The ashes should have parity with the oxford cambridge boat race imo.

I don't think you'll find many English cricket fans who would agree. Personally I'd rather see Derbyshire win a trophy than either in any case.

[Cartman]

England ODI side going forward for me:

Hales
Ali
Roy
Taylor
Root
Buttler (wk)
Stokes
Woakes
Rashid
Jordan
Fastest Bowler in County Cricket

Hales, Ali and Roy all try and biff it, Taylor and Root to bat properly-ish but can both score quickly, Buttler, Stokes, Woakes, Rashid and Jordan can all bat


Woakes and Jordan are decent enough bowlers, Rashid has been excellent in domestic OD games, Stokes can bowl ok and have Root and Ali as back up spinners

We need some pace in the bowling

The lad who got the last 2 wickets for Bangladesh was bowling quicker than Anderson, Broad and Finn, even Afghanistan have quicker bowlers than us, so find the quickest bowler in the county game, pick him and persevere, our attack at the moment is toothless

I'd pick Footitt who has the bonus of being left arm, but perhaps that is my Derbyshire bias - he couldn't do worse than Broad!

[JonB]

If you are picking Roy he should open like he does at County Level...i dont disagree but i would move Ali down the order as i dont think he plays the short ball well enough to open. He's ok against spin, one of the few wristy players we have and can biff it so would be better down the order in the middle to late overs. Cant make my mind up about Stokes and i'd stick with Morgan yet if not as captain. Taylor to bat three as well.

[Cartman]

JonB, on 11 March 2015 - 01:42 PM, said:

If you are picking Roy he should open like he does at County Level...i dont disagree but i would move Ali down the order as i dont think he plays the short ball well enough to open. He's ok against spin, one of the few wristy players we have and can biff it so would be better down the order in the middle to late overs. Cant make my mind up about Stokes and i'd stick with Morgan yet if not as captain. Taylor to bat three as well.

batting order would be interchangeable for me

if openers get off to a flyer send Buttler or Stokes in at 3

[JonB]

Cartman, on 11 March 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

batting order would be interchangeable for me

if openers get off to a flyer send Buttler or Stokes in at 3

Problem you have then is if they get out then you lose them for the final overs and have the none bigger hitters in. Likes of Taylor, Root, Ali are all better suited to the middle overs leaving Buttler to finish it at the end. Could potentially move Stokes up the order but not sure about Buttler. Agree though that things need to be flexible based on the situation.

This post has been edited by JonB: 11 March 2015 - 02:12 PM

[whittman]

Westbars Spireite, on 10 March 2015 - 06:01 PM, said:

I don't think you'll find many English cricket fans who would agree. Personally I'd rather see Derbyshire win a trophy than either in any case.

Derbyshire first everytime for me. I suppose its the same wanting town to win a tophy rather than England as well

[firedodger]

Erwan dsihounou, on 10 March 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

Cricket is a joke of a sport until everybody realises that winning the ashes is not greater than winning world cups then it will never go forward, lets face it the ashes is probably the most overated sporting event there is hugely overhyped yet a world cup event gets a miniscule amount of hype yet is far more important.The ashes should have parity with the oxford cambridge boat race imo.

The ashes is great but only when it's competitive, but that's the same with most sports. Football is my number 1 sport no question about it but I don't think I've got as much enjoyment out of watching any televised game as I have watching the top ashes tests or the Ryder cup, whether it's do to with the length of the event and scope for drama I don't know.
It obviously ain't your sport mate but they are great occasions, if you write off the ashes you may as well bin rugbys autumn internationals, Calcutta cup, bledisloe trophy as pointless events as well.
I suppose ultimately it's a matter of scale, we maybe make more of the ashes because we know we won't win the World Cup, same as in football we overhype our qualification campaigns?

JonB, on 10 March 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Away from the England debacle....two decent wins for Derbyshire in their first two games, high scoring 50 over game they won by 6 runs v Worcestershire then a comfortable T20 win v an ICC Associate XI with most of the Derbyshire side being the younger lads. Hundred for big Ches v Worcestershire and new signing Thakor scoring 97 from 47 balls in the T20 game.

Is this over in UAE?

[azul]

Every time England fail (football and cricket) there are calls to restructure the game

Now it is franchise cricket!

Makes a change from eliminating some of the smaller counties from 1st class cricket. Mind you could have the same effect in the long run?

[JonB]

firedodger, on 11 March 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

Is this over in UAE?

Yep, playing in Abu Dhabi i think...same as the pre season tour last year and following on from previous trips to the West Indies the couple of years before that.