[JonB]

Dave Wallers, on 24 June 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

To be fair to Bopara and Morgan, they basically put us in a position to go on and win the game......



Before naively giving their wickets away while the chase was more than attainable.

Morgan can be slightly excused on the basis the over from Sharma was key in getting as many as possible and that side of the ground was where the gaps were but he didnt play it very well. The shot from Bopara was poor decision making and cant really be excused, he was key to the chase at the point Morgan got out. The rest was panic from there on in!!

[HistoricWarwick]

Carnage in Derby - sounds like there is 'something' in the wicket!

[JonB]

That first innings lead could be handy especially if we can get into Somerset early.

[HistoricWarwick]

JonB, on 24 June 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

That first innings lead could be handy especially if we can get into Somerset early.

94 all out.

I don't think 144 is enough - another 30 odd then maybe.

proper 6 pointer this!

[Cartman]

going to be another loss I'm afraid

oh well

[JonB]

Cartman, on 24 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

going to be another loss I'm afraid

oh well

Maybe we can take the West Brom approach...couple of up and down seasons before getting established in the top division!

[JonB]

Bit of an inspired spell by Clare who has taken 5 quick wickets....Somerset still need 20 to win but should be ok barring an England'esque brain fade!

[HistoricWarwick]

Another bad performance with some cheap wickets - Chanderpaul being the obvious starting point closely followed by Godleman.

Technically 88-2 at start of play and then lose within two sessions to our closest rivals and another team lacking in confidence.

We are weaker mentally and probably ability wise compared to last season. Not sure what Billy brings and Chesney is likely to get himself out too often. Redfern isn't good enough and Wes is struggling a bit this season. We are a poor side.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Going Down, Going Down, Going Down!!!

[Bushy]

Today's defeat is a difficult one to take. Was always going to be a struggle to compete though. Harsh to write some of the players off though as above.

[JonB]

Chanderpaul has been a bit of a let down so far based on expectation but the others are mainly young lads who dont have a lot of Division 1 experience between them. Stopping up would have been an achievement and you have to hope that they get better from it. We could have gone the Surrey way and picked up a load of old pro's on silly money for not much better results!!

Yes things have not gone that well on the pitch this season but the strides forward that the club has made in the last few years are massive. Ground is better, team isnt full of folks who get imported in and there are some promising young lads in the team and on the fringes. If we go down so be it but you'd back us to push on from the relegation and use the experience to get better.

This post has been edited by JonB: 24 June 2013 - 04:47 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

Godleman's record was modest on more batsman friendly tracks than Derby. He's been a real disappointment & I'm not sure how he kept his place for this game. The only positive from the game were the three five wicket hauls for the bowlers (the first three of the season).

Briefly at least we have the T20 to hope for.

[HistoricWarwick]

JonB, on 24 June 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Chanderpaul has been a bit of a let down so far based on expectation but the others are mainly young lads who dont have a lot of Division 1 experience between them. Stopping up would have been an achievement and you have to hope that they get better from it. We could have gone the Surrey way and picked up a load of old pro's on silly money for not much better results!!

Yes things have not gone that well on the pitch this season but the strides forward that the club has made in the last few years are massive. Ground is better, team isnt full of folks who get imported in and there are some promising young lads in the team and on the fringes. If we go down so be it but you'd back us to push on from the relegation and use the experience to get better.

Not questioning any of the off the field stuff - the club has done really well. Also turned a profit again which is far better than most counties.

Just not sure that losing week in week out in div one makes you stronger. We just don't seem to have the concentration when batting - too many wanting to play strokes against better bowlers rather than knuckle down - Dan and Ches are prime examples. Can't fault the bowlers, tracks tend to be flatter in div one as teams can't afford to lose and probably the two Marks will benefit from the experience playing against better batsmen.

Nevermind, only half way through the season!

[Bushy]

3 batsman all with around 490 runs or more at averages in the mid 40's, in Hughes, Madsen and Chanderpaul. We haven't got a bowler with 20 wickets yet, closest being Gronewald with 19 @ 36's.

I know the stats can be misleading, and for instance, the last game against Somerset it is in no doubt that the batting effort let them down. But if you can't take 20 wickets, you're not going to win any games.

[JonB]

Appears Boyd Rankin will play for England this evening...not sure how the crap that has happened other than the fact he plays for Warwickshire!!

Rather worryingly as well he has also been put in the squad for the ashes warm up game against Essex starting on Sunday ahead of Tremlett!!

This post has been edited by JonB: 25 June 2013 - 04:57 PM

[Cartman]

T20 is back so we have to endure that idiot Dernbach in an England shirt again

if Tremlett is fit they need to get him in the squad for the ashes, 2nd best bowler in England after Anderson

more info on tomorrow nights game at Queens Park
Real ale available in beer tent
Other drinks in the pavillion bar
No parking for spectators
Chesterfield Invitational XI made up from local clubs overseas players mainly

should be a decent night

[frearsghost]

HistoricWarwick, on 24 June 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Another bad performance with some cheap wickets - Chanderpaul being the obvious starting point closely followed by Godleman.

Technically 88-2 at start of play and then lose within two sessions to our closest rivals and another team lacking in confidence.

We are weaker mentally and probably ability wise compared to last season. Not sure what Billy brings and Chesney is likely to get himself out too often. Redfern isn't good enough and Wes is struggling a bit this season. We are a poor side.

Not sure what's happening with Derbyshire and County cricket recently. Old 'uns like me watching them in Queens Park in the 60's 70's and 80's saw a decent middle of the road county who, in I think, '76 or '77, where having a real go at winning the Championship. Sides like Glamorgan, Somerset, Sussex, Leicestershire and Essex were seen as probable victories and the county could hold their heads high against most. I remember them demolishing Sussex in the Gillette Cup Semi-Final at Town in front of a sell out crowd.

Suddenley we are also rans and, at times, can't compete. There must have been fundamental changes in the structure of the game for this to happen. Perhaps now that youngsers can't watch Test matches on free to view channels any more is one reason for the lack of interest and recruitment in the game.

It's shame. Just looking through some old 'Year Books,' when Derek Morgan was captain and Bob Taylor was behind the stumps. We made some good scores and there were some great bowling figures. I can't recall any of the counties then being described as 'big' although Yorkshire always thought they were. There was alway a good chance of a victory against any of them. Suddenley we've got 'big counties.' I mean Hampshire were never a 'big' county. Always country bumkins to me.

I know it's not the cause but Derbs have never been the same in my eyes since they left Queen's Park and made it a ground to visit now and again. Splitting the County Championship into two divisions has been a disaster for me. Some counties you never get to see now and playing the same counties like we have done in Div Two gets a bit boring for the paying customer. I wonder how many season tickets in Chesterfield they've lost over the years since they emigrated south.

There's also too much interest in the England side who play in so many competitions now I've lost track and the county game has suffered. Counties no longer seem to matter in the big scheme of things and local pride and bragging rights seem less important than the test side. Test players hardly ever appear for their counties and it shouldn't be like that. I have more interest in Derbyshire than England to be honest. And all this Indian League nonsense is a pain in the arris. Is anyone interested in that?

All a bit sad really.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 25 June 2013 - 05:37 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

I'm sure the ECB would call the two division championship a success given England's relative success in Test cricket since its creation. How direct the two are linked is open to debate.

I think you look back a little with rose tinted spectacles (as we can all be guilty of). There was plenty of rubbish, aimless & negative county cricket 'back in the day' and Derbyshire only stayed at Queens Park for a couple of years whilst falling out with those in Derby.

The real shame of that was that CBC had the opportunity to allow Derbyshire to make the move permanently but messed it up. Derby is much improved but how good could Queens Park have become with serious investment? I imagine it a little like Worcester is now.

[JonB]

With regard to kids interest it's certainly not on the wain based on what I've seen around local clubs the last few years. My current club ashover have 100 kids on a Friday night playing kwik cricket and clubs round the county have junior sides galore, young lads and lasses playing senior cricket as well.

Derbyshire weren't always great, we had the odd spell here and there but the gap between test ground counties and non has widened. For me Derbyshire are going the right way trying to build a side around local players where they can.

IPL is crap and the ECB aren't keen for folk to go over. Personally I think the countries who let their players go such as west India have struggled in the test arena. England have always prioritised test cricket unlike some others and India now seem to be one day/t20 obsessed. There is a lot more international cricket but that's the ICC getting what they can in. They've went India straight to the West Indies for a pointless mini ODI series for example.

When you consider what state English cricket was in during the 90s its a lot better.

[Westbars Spireite]

Hope we get some runs like this tomorrow at the park. England are bowling some absolute filth here. Looking at 220!

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 25 June 2013 - 06:41 PM