[Rodney's Moustache]

Nice to see a bit of plagiarism on Bob's board.

[Bonnyman]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 March 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Spot on! And whether Danny Whitts, Dean Morgan or Gareth Bale, our fans should be right behind them if they are playing for our cause. Danny IS NOT a tackler, it's not in his make up nor part of his game... THAT blame lies firmly at the hands of the manager who consistently plays him out of position.
Danny for me only has one position and thats in the hole behind the striker(s) where tackling isn't so much of an issue. IF Sheridan consistently plays him in an uncomfortable position why would blame the player and abuse him?? Would you abuse Tommy for being cr-ap for playing upfront or Lester for playing poorly at right back? Get off his back and perhaps we will see a bit more out of him.
He's a talented, but limited player and doesn't deserve the abuse for he's trying his best in what is an uncomfortable position for him.
Want a scapegoat... blame the manager and if the manager has owt about him, he'd would be saying this instead of calling the fans, then at least the fans who boo him can make up their minds as to why and who if anyone is to blame.
That said he wouldn't be in my lineup unless I played with an extra midfielder away from home and he played behind the striker(s) or if needs must. He just hasn't got whats required to play left wing or centre mid, but thats not his fault!!!

Of course it is the managers fault,anybody with half a brain can see whittaker cant play left midfield,but danny has to take a portion of the blame himself,his performances this season have been bordering on desperate,i dont rate him but i know he isnt playing anything like he was last year,this season players have shirked the issue too easily,players with undoubted ability like morgan have shown that they have neither the mental strength, good enough conditioniing or the desire to perform at this level,morgan has been desperately disapointing and will always in my eyes be considered a "waster".As for whittaker i dont believe he has half the natural talent of morgan but if he looked as though he cared and put in a shift nobody would mind but he looks for most of the game as though he wants to blame everybody bar himself.

[Hoare (400)]

No disrespect to Whitaker, but if he plays in the next 2 games we have had it! Next 2 games are all hands to the pumps, physical encounters where everyone has to get stuck in for the full 90! Like him or not, these are not the sort of games Whitaker likes or is good at!



Hoare (400)

[Sheik Yerbooty]

DRL, on 04 March 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Supporting a Football Club gives us all a licence and the freedom to express our opinions. Sometimes this gets out of hand and sees supporters turning on a single player. Frank Lampard had this at Chelsea and I have seen countless Chesterfield players given the rough edge of Spireites fans tongue.

I have never seen the sense or the value in abusing our own players. In the coming weeks, I hope that the more balanced supporters can out shout those who have chosen to pick on Danny Whittaker.

I’d be the first to admit that Danny has not had a good season. He is not on his own. Many of our players have not had a good season.

During yesterday’s game I felt really sorry for Danny. Every time he got the ball, there was a minority of so called fans swearing and barracking him. It was clearly affecting him and so benefiting the opposition. It’s worth saying that again – barracking our own players benefits the opposition!!

Danny had a great season for us last season. His goals gave us a lot to remember.

Give the guy a break and get behind him. At his best, Danny is a dam good offensive player. Strong distribution, a good passer and as good a player as we have in terms of shooting from distance. Danny IS NOT a tackler and he’s is never going to be…so don’t expect that from him.

Just like Jack Lester being pretty c**p in the air. Neil Trotman having no pace. Mark Allot being virtually immune to shooting. Young Jordan Bowery being poor when he goes through one on one etc., etc. We are in Division 1 and we are bound to have players that have a deficiency or who are inconsistent.

The worst part in seeing players barracked is when they are of good character. Danny is a thoroughly nice guy. He stayed on the pitch longer than any player when we won Division 2 – having his picture taking with the kids, signing autographs and giving everyone that wanted it his time.

I hope Danny scores a few vital goals for us and maybe even the winner at Wembley.

FWIW i thought he did ok on saturday

[newboldsteve]

kevspireites, on 04 March 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

not much kop when we are under the cosh for the majority of games this season. funny how morgan is critisised on here for being the exact same and shouldn't be in the team but for you its ok for danny to be the same

whittaker mabe not very good but he does try to tackel morgan on the other hand doesnt even go back and try

[kevspireites]

brew_army, on 05 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

AAAh bless the irony! you condone fans booing him for trying to do his job, then cry over a -1 stalker

havent condoned the booing anywhere, thought the sub of ajose was the right one, not that i think danny should be in the team but he is, my point was we need help defensivly and niether morgan or danny give that but danny gets a thread defending him. and certainly am not crying over a childish -1 from someone who whishes to be annonymous.

[stanleyspireite]

The abuse Whittaker gets is embarrasing.

Ok hes not pulling up any trees this season but last season he was a big part of our Championship winning team.

Whittakers 15 goals helped us lift the league title and i believe that alone should be enough to ensure he doesnt get abused before hes even come on.

Wheres the respect?

[Guest_freelander2_*]

stanleyspireite, on 05 March 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The abuse Whittaker gets is embarrasing.

Ok hes not pulling up any trees this season but last season he was a big part of our Championship winning team.

Whittakers 15 goals helped us lift the league title and i believe that alone should be enough to ensure he doesnt get abused before hes even come on.

Wheres the respect?

Spot on, agree 100%.

[cfcblues]

I could have scored 8/15 as well as the one against Exeter which would have seen us in a lot better light right now

[blue blood]

[quote name='freelander2' timestamp='1330943311' post='700514']Spot on, agree 100%[/quote< ] how was Danny abused before he come on.

This post has been edited by blue blood: 05 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

[Andy Spireite]

stanleyspireite, on 05 March 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

The abuse Whittaker gets is embarrasing.

Ok hes not pulling up any trees this season but last season he was a big part of our Championship winning team.

Whittakers 15 goals helped us lift the league title and i believe that alone should be enough to ensure he doesnt get abused before hes even come on.

Wheres the respect?

I agree with this but I still don't think he should be in our starting 11.

[dim view]

freelander2, on 05 March 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

Spot on, agree 100%.

you can bet your bottom dollar that folk who claim that they have sufficient knowledge to sit in judgement of the professionals on the basics have never actually kicked a ball in the right direction in their lives.

here's an example at random.
'Of course it is the managers fault,anybody with half a brain can see whittaker cant play left midfield....his performances this season have been bordering on desperate......have shown that they have neither the mental strength, good enough conditioniing or the desire to perform at this level......... if he looked as though he cared and put in a shift nobody would mind'.

[Rodney's Moustache]

dim view, on 05 March 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

you can bet your bottom dollar that folk who claim that they have sufficient knowledge to sit in judgement of the professionals on the basics have never actually kicked a ball in the right direction in their lives.

here's an example at random.
'Of course it is the managers fault,anybody with half a brain can see whittaker cant play left midfield....his performances this season have been bordering on desperate......have shown that they have neither the mental strength, good enough conditioniing or the desire to perform at this level......... if he looked as though he cared and put in a shift nobody would mind'.

here's another example Cruise ship sails far to close to shoreline at a speed that is far in excess of what it should be in the circumstances.Next morning pictures of sunken liner are splashed all over the front pages of press.Old lady living at no 53 reads this and thinks to herself why the bleedin hell would you sail so close to a rocky shoreline in a huge ship at an inappropriate speed at night.Nearest old lady has been to a cuise ship is the local boating lake.??????

[warfey is a spireite]

DRL, on 04 March 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Supporting a Football Club gives us all a licence and the freedom to express our opinions. Sometimes this gets out of hand and sees supporters turning on a single player. Frank Lampard had this at Chelsea and I have seen countless Chesterfield players given the rough edge of Spireites fans tongue.

I have never seen the sense or the value in abusing our own players. In the coming weeks, I hope that the more balanced supporters can out shout those who have chosen to pick on Danny Whittaker.

I’d be the first to admit that Danny has not had a good season. He is not on his own. Many of our players have not had a good season.

During yesterday’s game I felt really sorry for Danny. Every time he got the ball, there was a minority of so called fans swearing and barracking him. It was clearly affecting him and so benefiting the opposition. It’s worth saying that again – barracking our own players benefits the opposition!!

Danny had a great season for us last season. His goals gave us a lot to remember.

Give the guy a break and get behind him. At his best, Danny is a dam good offensive player. Strong distribution, a good passer and as good a player as we have in terms of shooting from distance. Danny IS NOT a tackler and he’s is never going to be…so don’t expect that from him.

Just like Jack Lester being pretty c**p in the air. Neil Trotman having no pace. Mark Allot being virtually immune to shooting. Young Jordan Bowery being poor when he goes through one on one etc., etc. We are in Division 1 and we are bound to have players that have a deficiency or who are inconsistent.

The worst part in seeing players barracked is when they are of good character. Danny is a thoroughly nice guy. He stayed on the pitch longer than any player when we won Division 2 – having his picture taking with the kids, signing autographs and giving everyone that wanted it his time.

I hope Danny scores a few vital goals for us and maybe even the winner at Wembley.

hes not a ball winner from midfield ,he finds a player withy some neat passing and he scores pens give him a break lads

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

mattthespireite, on 05 March 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

And every game Whitaker plays he drifts inside exposing our full back. Then when he does track back he just trotts alongside the player,following him like a bad smell.arms flapping and fingers pointing. At least Morgan doesn't try and trick us into believing he is determined to win the ball back!

Got to agree Morgam never tricks us into thinking he will win the ball back

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

mattthespireite, on 05 March 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

And every game Whitaker plays he drifts inside exposing our full back. Then when he does track back he just trotts alongside the player,following him like a bad smell.arms flapping and fingers pointing. At least Morgan doesn't try and trick us into believing he is determined to win the ball back!

Got to agree Morgam never tricks us into thinking he will win the ball back

[Misnomer]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 March 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Spot on! And whether Danny Whitts, Dean Morgan or Gareth Bale, our fans should be right behind them if they are playing for our cause. Danny IS NOT a tackler, it's not in his make up nor part of his game... THAT blame lies firmly at the hands of the manager who consistently plays him out of position.
Danny for me only has one position and thats in the hole behind the striker(s) where tackling isn't so much of an issue. IF Sheridan consistently plays him in an uncomfortable position why would blame the player and abuse him?? Would you abuse Tommy for being cr-ap for playing upfront or Lester for playing poorly at right back? Get off his back and perhaps we will see a bit more out of him.
He's a talented, but limited player and doesn't deserve the abuse for he's trying his best in what is an uncomfortable position for him.
Want a scapegoat... blame the manager and if the manager has owt about him, he'd would be saying this instead of calling the fans, then at least the fans who boo him can make up their minds as to why and who if anyone is to blame.
That said he wouldn't be in my lineup unless I played with an extra midfielder away from home and he played behind the striker(s) or if needs must. He just hasn't got whats required to play left wing or centre mid, but thats not his fault!!!

Agree with every word, Karl....some fans like a scapegoat, someone to bully; it says more about the abuser than the abused; weak, pathetic, naive, moronic, debased individuals...

[oldgoat]

"Bacon Face", on 05 March 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Agree with every word, Karl....some fans like a scapegoat, someone to bully; it says more about the abuser than the abused; weak, pathetic, naive, moronic, debased individuals...

wont boo him but i think he doesn't bring anything to the team , or should i say what he does is not worth a starting or subs place , if we only had 11 fit players maybe

[h again]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 March 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Spot on! And whether Danny Whitts, Dean Morgan or Gareth Bale, our fans should be right behind them if they are playing for our cause. Danny IS NOT a tackler, it's not in his make up nor part of his game... THAT blame lies firmly at the hands of the manager who consistently plays him out of position.
Danny for me only has one position and thats in the hole behind the striker(s) where tackling isn't so much of an issue. IF Sheridan consistently plays him in an uncomfortable position why would blame the player and abuse him?? Would you abuse Tommy for being cr-ap for playing upfront or Lester for playing poorly at right back? Get off his back and perhaps we will see a bit more out of him.
He's a talented, but limited player and doesn't deserve the abuse for he's trying his best in what is an uncomfortable position for him.
Want a scapegoat... blame the manager and if the manager has owt about him, he'd would be saying this instead of calling the fans, then at least the fans who boo him can make up their minds as to why and who if anyone is to blame.
That said he wouldn't be in my lineup unless I played with an extra midfielder away from home and he played behind the striker(s) or if needs must. He just hasn't got whats required to play left wing or centre mid, but thats not his fault!!!

That's effectively where he was playing on Saturday, and going forward we were OK. Trouble is, it leaves the full back very exposed and a big gap out on the left.
He's a good player, and should certainly never, ever be booed but he isn't the right bloke for us in the type of scrapping we've got to do now. And even in a five-man midfield we need more pace on the wing and more power in the middle.

[spyright]

Rodney, on 05 March 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

here's another example Cruise ship sails far to close to shoreline at a speed that is far in excess of what it should be in the circumstances.Next morning pictures of sunken liner are splashed all over the front pages of press.Old lady living at no 53 reads this and thinks to herself why the bleedin hell would you sail so close to a rocky shoreline in a huge ship at an inappropriate speed at night.Nearest old lady has been to a cuise ship is the local boating lake.??????

I understand your point about folks making an uninformed opinion, but I'm not sure about your example! Are you saying the old lady from no. 53 is wrong in her thinking or is this your subtle way of making exactly this point (i.e. lack of direct experience doesn't always lead someone to an incorrect judgement)?

Here's another example. I've never played football as a professional but I do believe that Whitaker is useless at tackling. Or is my lack of top level playing experience making me miss all of his tackles?