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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostMillers>Spireites, on 06 February 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Are you going to ban me again because I'm smarter than you, errr, starter?

Let's spin that argument on its head. Considering you averaged less at Saltergate than we do now at the DVS, what do you think you would average playing outside of Chesterfield in a Don Valley-esque stadium? If I was generous, I'd say 2,500, but I suspect it would be around the 2,000 mark.


I can't ban you sadly. You may be used to being smarter than people in Rotherham as you are able to write in fully formed sentences but it doesn't automatically follow with me I'm afraid. Nice try though.

You can guess all you like but you know the answer no more than I do. What is true though is that you go the same distance from our town centre as the DVS stadium is from Millmoor and you'll still be in Chesterfield. Arduous journey though I'm sure.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostMillers>Spireites, on 06 February 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Are you going to ban me again because I'm smarter than you, errr, starter?

Let's spin that argument on its head. Considering you averaged less at Saltergate than we do now at the DVS, what do you think you would average playing outside of Chesterfield in a Don Valley-esque stadium? If I was generous, I'd say 2,500, but I suspect it would be around the 2,000 mark.



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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:08 PM

View PostMillers>Spireites, on 06 February 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Are you going to ban me again because I'm smarter than you, errr, starter?

Let's spin that argument on its head. Considering you averaged less at Saltergate than we do now at the DVS, what do you think you would average playing outside of Chesterfield in a Don Valley-esque stadium? If I was generous, I'd say 2,500, but I suspect it would be around the 2,000 mark.


You've still not answered why your support is so incredibly poor so near to home.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostMillers>Spireites, on 06 February 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Shaun, why are you (and plenty others on here) so pathologically stupid? The Council aren't paying for the ground. We have the option of a £5m loan from RMBC if required (which at present we are not intending to use). The remainder (your basic arithmetic abilities should just about cope with this), the vast majority of the c£17.5m funded stadium comes from private funding, with a small amount coming from Football League grants.

The Rotherham Regeneration project is NOT going to run out of funding at any time. It is a project of vast capital. £5m, whether used or not, would not touch the sides on this project. RMBC serves its metropolitan borough of approx (latest census) of 256,000 people. It's an absolutely huge town. Even the urban population makes it one of the bigger towns in England, but with the Metropolitan areas included, it's one of the ten biggest towns in the UK! If you think £5m is a lot of money given the revenue from RMBC, you sadly are very misguided.

Similarly, all this "RUFC do not pay their bills" smacks of poor, rural education. I'm preaching again until you sheepskins get the message into your thick mutton skulls, but here goes; RUFC Ltd is a limited company, which is now owned by a completely different holdings company. In fact, none of the people that took us into administrative problems last time are at the club. Furthermore, certain previous figureheads are banned from getting involved with football clubs ever again. Our current Board are probably the best Board in the bottom division. I'd say we're in the top five in the lower two divisions in terms of beng on a sound financial footing and steady investment. No way will we get into any problems with these guys at the helm; regardless of whether or not you want to admit it. We've been averaging 3,700 playing out of town in an athletics stadium. No other club in this league and most above (certianly not your tiny selves) could muster that incredible support. This is a long-term plan. If we can get any sort of momentum going into next season, expect us to absolutely dwarf your crowds. And I mean that with all sincerity from the bottom of my heart. Previous histories of both clubs, past attendance figures of both clubs and populations of both places dictate that on an even footing, we'd blow you out of the water. I suspect, despite your cute brave face, you know this too.

As for the two grounds, well they aren't even comparable. You can mock the name all you want (defying the vast marketing potential of such a name rather than committing to some local internet provider that probably employ about 30 members of staff), but it's only a name. It got us the attention we desired on the global stage, whilst having tangible links to our great, historic town. I dare say the b2Net can hardly boast the same importance?

All petty one-way name-calling aside, in terms of the stadium itself, I mean come on? Must I even have to justify this. As a point of order, I showed my unbiased Uni friends both stadiums to gauge an idea. They generally thought yours was fine for an unambitious, fourth division club looking to get by whilst ours was a build fit for the Championship. And it's not even finished! There is a reason ours is costing £17.5m and yours cost, what, £10m? It's not that we have been mugged off. It's just that it's going to be much, much better. Some of the internal things planned for this build are out of this world, and no club has ever been this bold in terms of separating themselves from the pack.

Now let's be brutally honest, the reason you start a weekly topic about the NYS is down to nothing more than jealousy. Because you've ended up with a Shrewsbury/Colchester/Chester/Scunthorpe. You know, a little lego build somewhere outside a the centre of your small villages. Yet our vast, urban town has ended up with a state-of-the-art super stadium smack bang in urban Rotherham.

And it hurts. Clearly, it hurts!


5 million, How much do you think are left after the council new build of offices ? which you should maybe look into or shall I tell you ?

View Postshaun1866, on 06 February 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

5 million, How much do you think are left after the council new build of offices ? which you should maybe look into or shall I tell you ?


And our ground is always going to be superior to yours because it has chesterfield fans in it and not webbed handed individuals living in a dive

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

View PostSpireiteFitzy, on 06 February 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

You've still not answered why your support is so incredibly poor so near to home.


that's easy because a lot a fans are disgruntled that we are playing in Sheffield in an athletic stadium... what did you average in a football stadium(saltergate) in your own town ?..
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:14 PM

View Postpac17, on 06 February 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

the surrounding area's! what I'm talking about is on the same land where the council offices and the new stadium is..A New hotel and a brewery and possibly shopping outlets, the rest of the area will be regenerated by the council...

A brewery in this day and age you really are mad or has the club told you this ?

well said Rotherham>spirites..

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:15 PM

View PostSpireiteFitzy, on 06 February 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

You've still not answered why your support is so incredibly poor so near to home.


Hey, it's four miles you know don't be harsh.

The same as if we played in Staveley, Barrow Hill or Wingerworth.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Postshaun1866, on 06 February 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

5 million, How much do you think are left after the council new build of offices ? which you should maybe look into or shall I tell you ?



And our ground is always going to be superior to yours because it has chesterfield fans in it and not webbed handed individuals living in a dive


that's a dis-advantage not an advantage, legoland stadium has never and will never be superior to NYS..
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 06 February 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Hey, it's four miles you know don't be harsh.

The same as if we played in Staveley, Barrow Hill or Wingerworth.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:24 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 06 February 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

Hey, it's four miles you know don't be harsh.

The same as if we played in Staveley, Barrow Hill or Wingerworth.


God forbid that ever happened lol. A few extra miles to travel is of course more important than loyalty to the club..........ahahahaha

He can't face the fact that rotheram fans can't be bothered to make the short trip to go watch their own club. So like a politician he dodges the question with some hypothetical ones about our own.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

View PostSpireiteFitzy, on 06 February 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

God forbid that ever happened lol. A few extra miles to travel is of course more important than loyalty to the club..........ahahahaha

He can't face the fact that rotheram fans can't be bothered to make the short trip to go watch their own club. So like a politician he dodges the question with some hypothetical ones about our own.


were was your loyal fans at saltergate?.....in your own town
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:29 PM

Just trying to work out who would be appropriate for the stadiums opening game. There dont seem to be any obvious candidates. Cant see anyone from New York wanting to go there; twin town St Quentin looks quite pleasant so its not as if the Frenchies are going to be up for even a brief trip to one of South Yorkshires more God forsaken areas. Maybe a prison team or someone from Scotland might do it.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:00 PM

I'm waiting for Millers to reply to me, he somehow failed to reply to my message pointing out the wrongs in his previous post....

Any answers Millers?
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:17 PM

View PostMillers>Spireites, on 06 February 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Shaun, why are you (and plenty others on here) so pathologically stupid? The Council aren't paying for the ground. We have the option of a £5m loan from RMBC if required (which at present we are not intending to use). The remainder (your basic arithmetic abilities should just about cope with this), the vast majority of the c£17.5m funded stadium comes from private funding, with a small amount coming from Football League grants.

The Rotherham Regeneration project is NOT going to run out of funding at any time. It is a project of vast capital. £5m, whether used or not, would not touch the sides on this project. RMBC serves its metropolitan borough of approx (latest census) of 256,000 people. It's an absolutely huge town. Even the urban population makes it one of the bigger towns in England, but with the Metropolitan areas included, it's one of the ten biggest towns in the UK! If you think £5m is a lot of money given the revenue from RMBC, you sadly are very misguided.

Similarly, all this "RUFC do not pay their bills" smacks of poor, rural education. I'm preaching again until you sheepskins get the message into your thick mutton skulls, but here goes; RUFC Ltd is a limited company, which is now owned by a completely different holdings company. In fact, none of the people that took us into administrative problems last time are at the club. Furthermore, certain previous figureheads are banned from getting involved with football clubs ever again. Our current Board are probably the best Board in the bottom division. I'd say we're in the top five in the lower two divisions in terms of beng on a sound financial footing and steady investment. No way will we get into any problems with these guys at the helm; regardless of whether or not you want to admit it. We've been averaging 3,700 playing out of town in an athletics stadium. No other club in this league and most above (certianly not your tiny selves) could muster that incredible support. This is a long-term plan. If we can get any sort of momentum going into next season, expect us to absolutely dwarf your crowds. And I mean that with all sincerity from the bottom of my heart. Previous histories of both clubs, past attendance figures of both clubs and populations of both places dictate that on an even footing, we'd blow you out of the water. I suspect, despite your cute brave face, you know this too.

As for the two grounds, well they aren't even comparable. You can mock the name all you want (defying the vast marketing potential of such a name rather than committing to some local internet provider that probably employ about 30 members of staff), but it's only a name. It got us the attention we desired on the global stage, whilst having tangible links to our great, historic town. I dare say the b2Net can hardly boast the same importance?

All petty one-way name-calling aside, in terms of the stadium itself, I mean come on? Must I even have to justify this. As a point of order, I showed my unbiased Uni friends both stadiums to gauge an idea. They generally thought yours was fine for an unambitious, fourth division club looking to get by whilst ours was a build fit for the Championship. And it's not even finished! There is a reason ours is costing £17.5m and yours cost, what, £10m? It's not that we have been mugged off. It's just that it's going to be much, much better. Some of the internal things planned for this build are out of this world, and no club has ever been this bold in terms of separating themselves from the pack.

Now let's be brutally honest, the reason you start a weekly topic about the NYS is down to nothing more than jealousy. Because you've ended up with a Shrewsbury/Colchester/Chester/Scunthorpe. You know, a little lego build somewhere outside a the centre of your small villages. Yet our vast, urban town has ended up with a state-of-the-art super stadium smack bang in urban Rotherham.

And it hurts. Clearly, it hurts!


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:20 PM

View PostRPL42YEARS, on 06 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Don't worry lads - wait to the debt servicing and repayment kicks in.


Repayment when have they ever worried about such a thing ?

Anyway there is a thread waiting for your answer to a debate or are you selectively avoiding that thread.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:29 PM

View Postpac17, on 06 February 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

the surrounding area's! what I'm talking about is on the same land where the council offices and the new stadium is..A New hotel and a brewery and possibly shopping outlets, the rest of the area will be regenerated by the council...


well said Rotherham>spirites..

Can't imagine it being anything bigger than a micro brewery given the amount of breweries that have recent;y closed.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

I just can’t see how England’s 10th biggest town and boy what a really tough place it is (Ross Kemp due a visit?) ... and its new stadium will dwarf our quaint village team’s stadium. Let’s just visualise this. Start at the away end – for ease, picture the place where the 10 or so r/ham casuals started their terrifying attack on the advertising boards, then move your eyes across, ... go on a little bit further. Then stop just as you get ¾ across. ‘Pick’ these seats up, then plonk them in a combination of our corners, and a pretend additional tier on top of the WEST stand ... doesn’t add up does is it? Wonder what the capacity is for each stand in this iconic new wonder
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:30 PM

View PostTylerdurdencfc, on 06 February 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

PAC at the end of all this...

Do Rotherham Utd own the land the ground is built on or is it leased?

Do Rotherham Utd own the stadium at the end? If they do what do the private investors get for the money they have piled in as you say they have?

How are you paying any monies back that you owe from the build?

thanks :rolleyes: :closedeyes:



these have ben asked and aswered before but here goes again...


Do Rotherham Utd own the land the ground is built on or is it leased?

Rotherham own the land the stadiums on but lease the land were the car park is going....



Do Rotherham Utd own the stadium at the end? If they do what do the private investors get for the money they have piled in as you say they have?

Yes! Rotherham own there stadium and as for the private investors i don't know what they get but as they are the owners i guess the pleasure of seeing the Millers back in town.....



How are you paying any monies back that you owe from the build?

don't owe any monies ...
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 10:33 PM

View PostRPL42YEARS, on 06 February 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Don't worry lads - wait to the debt servicing and repayment kicks in.


what debt? what repayments?
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:31 AM

View Postpac17, on 06 February 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

these have ben asked and aswered before but here goes again...


Do Rotherham Utd own the land the ground is built on or is it leased?

Rotherham own the land the stadiums on but lease the land were the car park is going....



Do Rotherham Utd own the stadium at the end? If they do what do the private investors get for the money they have piled in as you say they have?

Yes! Rotherham own there stadium and as for the private investors i don't know what they get but as they are the owners i guess the pleasure of seeing the Millers back in town.....



How are you paying any monies back that you owe from the build?

don't owe any monies ...


So are you actually saying RUFC are having a new ground and all it is costing RUFC is the price of the Car Park.........

With NO payback, Loan or Financial Help.







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