[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 24 September 2011 - 07:03 PM, said:

and I still say a footballer is perfectly entitled to make the most of a short career.

What loyalty did you show in your first job beforte you did your re training.? How utterly selfish of you, surely you could have given tham another year as a reward for thier loyalty?

I was in that job for 8 years luv. Loyalty was paid in that job with interest.
Give it two days and reply again with another useless come back. Look forward to it.

[Sammy Spireite]

Just out of interest, Metallid, what is your notice period (both ways)?

[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 25 September 2011 - 11:44 AM, said:

Just out of interest, Metallid, what is your notice period (both ways)?

Who?
My what what in the what what now?

[Sammy Spireite]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Who?
My what what in the what what now?

apologies for spelling your name incorrectly.

In your corrent contract, what notice period are you obliged to give, should you want to leave?

And, in contrast, what period should your employers have to give you, should they deem you surplus to requirments?

[metallilad]

Don't know. Not needed to look at it. Wouldn't even know where I've put my copy either.

[Sammy Spireite]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 12:03 PM, said:

Don't know. Not needed to look at it. Wouldn't even know where I've put my copy either.

my point is, lets say its a month, either way.

Where is the employers loyalty to you then?

Its a two way street, if a club wanted a player for a long period, they should offer him a long contract, we offered Davies a one year deal, you could day there was no real loyalty in that.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

I was in that job for 8 years luv. Loyalty was paid in that job with interest.
Give it two days and reply again with another useless come back. Look forward to it.

you moved for more money/better prospects......why shouldnt a footballer do the same? `luv`

Sammy Spireite, on 25 September 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

my point is, lets say its a month, either way.

Where is the employers loyalty to you then?

Its a two way street, if a club wanted a player for a long period, they should offer him a long contract, we offered Davies a one year deal, you could day there was no real loyalty in that.

Indeed........but some would still argue he greedy/selfish/disloyal

This post has been edited by Spinach chin: 25 September 2011 - 01:49 PM

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Sammy Spireite, on 25 September 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

my point is, lets say its a month, either way.

Where is the employers loyalty to you then?

Its a two way street, if a club wanted a player for a long period, they should offer him a long contract, we offered Davies a one year deal, you could day there was no real loyalty in that.

The loyalty was there in offering him another contract regardless of how long the term was.
He was gonna be the highest paid footballer on our books, yes we only offered him a one year deal but it was all we could afford and there would have been a goalscoring bonus in with that contract aswell because if there wasn't then his agent would have negotiated one in there.
Sheridan knew that he had no intention of staying,the contract would have been offered way before the season ended so he knew (even we knew) and thats why he was in talks with Donaldson who would have been an ideal replacement for him.
I'm not gonna be so ignorant that I'll pretend that I don't know where your coming from but I am a very stubborn bloke who feels strongly about this and won't be turned on this subject.
I think that all he thought about was money and not about whats best for his career. The stats have been posted up and are plain to see that his career only really took off when playing for Sheridan.
Plus I didn't like the way he spoke about the club and fans saying that he loves it here, would like to stay and yet one month later he's off because he's offered better money. If you love something you don't turn your back on it.

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 25 September 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

you moved for more money/better prospects......why shouldnt a footballer do the same? `luv`



Indeed........but some would still argue he greedy/selfish/disloyal

WOW! A same day reply. Well done!


Yet again you haven't read the post right. I stayed there for 8 years, he's stayed for 1 season then chased the money. NO LOYALTY SHOWN BY HIM AT ALL!

Quite right!

[DIFH]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

WOW! A same day reply. Well done!


Yet again you haven't read the post right. I stayed there for 8 years, he's stayed for 1 season then chased the money. NO LOYALTY SHOWN BY HIM AT ALL!

Quite right!

Have we not considered HE ONLY WANTED THE 12 MONTH DEAL.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

WOW! A same day reply. Well done!


Yet again you haven't read the post right. I stayed there for 8 years, he's stayed for 1 season then chased the money. NO LOYALTY SHOWN BY HIM AT ALL!

Quite right!

same day reply???, hmmm you ought to get out more, this message board is clearly getting to you. Go lie down in adark room for an hour or two.

Town offered him a 1 year deal. He signed it and moved on for more money.

What loyalty was shown by a our offer?

There is no loyalty in football, unless its from the terraces.

Your trying to compare your own situation to that where a career is gonna be 10 years or som, not 40 years.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 18 September 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Maybe he's here till then and big chief money grabber will come back from Barnsley for the rest of the season.

you expect a player to turn down a double your money offer in a career that wont be much more than a decade, for loyalty?

What loyalty is shown by clubs? do they offer 10 year contracts? no

Imagine a contractor ion a building site - would you expect him to stay on your site for the 1 years work on offer or move to another site for higher wages/longer contract.

You cant compare a footballer to a steady PAYE job.

Its nonsense to even try the comparison

This post has been edited by Spinach chin: 25 September 2011 - 04:58 PM

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 25 September 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

same day reply???, hmmm you ought to get out more, this message board is clearly getting to you. Go lie down in adark room for an hour or two.

Town offered him a 1 year deal. He signed it and moved on for more money.

What loyalty was shown by a our offer?

There is no loyalty in football, unless its from the terraces.

Your trying to compare your own situation to that where a career is gonna be 10 years or som, not 40 years.

I will type this out slowly, clearly for you then maybe, just maybe you will understand.
Not at any point in any of these posts have I compared my career to the life of a footballer. I have answered questions from various people about my career but never once have I compared the two. So once again I say this to you READ THEM AGAIN.

Did he get an offer of work from our club?

[Sammy Spireite]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 07:58 PM, said:

I will type this out slowly, clearly for you then maybe, just maybe you will understand.
Not at any point in any of these posts have I compared my career to the life of a footballer. I have answered questions from various people about my career but never once have I compared the two. So once again I say this to you READ THEM AGAIN.

Did he get an offer of work from our club?

i'd re-read your numerous posts on this thread if i were you.

In many of them, you answer questions on Davies wages/loyalty and each time refer back to your own situation (in a seemingly "Holier than thou" tone, reading them back now)

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 25 September 2011 - 04:32 PM, said:

you expect a player to turn down a double your money offer in a career that wont be much more than a decade, for loyalty?

What loyalty is shown by clubs? do they offer 10 year contracts? no

Imagine a contractor ion a building site - would you expect him to stay on your site for the 1 years work on offer or move to another site for higher wages/longer contract.

You cant compare a footballer to a steady PAYE job.

Its nonsense to even try the comparison

Whoa Whoa Mr Chin! You've just contradicted yourself here sweetheart!
You say on this post that you can't compare a footballer to a PAYE job and yet only on the sentence before it you try to compare a footballers situation to a building site contractor.
Once again you must read statements before posting up.

I agree with you on one statement though. It is nonsense to even try the comparison.

In all seriousness though, we can go round in circles forever about this so hows about agreeing to disagree on this one cos' I aint gonna change my mind and you aren't. Not that I'd expect you to anyway.
Its been fun. But its now just getting a bit tedious.
What do you say?

[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 25 September 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

i'd re-read your numerous posts on this thread if i were you.

In many of them, you answer questions on Davies wages/loyalty and each time refer back to your own situation (in a seemingly "Holier than thou" tone, reading them back now)

Mr Sammy. Please do me the favour of reading the posts again because if you read what I'm actually replying to then you would find that I'm answering questions or replying to statements where other people have compared my situation to Davies.
If its come across as "Holier than thou" then that is a mistake. Its not in my personality to think that way at all.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 25 September 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

Whoa Whoa Mr Chin! You've just contradicted yourself here sweetheart!
You say on this post that you can't compare a footballer to a PAYE job and yet only on the sentence before it you try to compare a footballers situation to a building site contractor.
Once again you must read statements before posting up.

I agree with you on one statement though. It is nonsense to even try the comparison.

In all seriousness though, we can go round in circles forever about this so hows about agreeing to disagree on this one cos' I aint gonna change my mind and you aren't. Not that I'd expect you to anyway.
Its been fun. But its now just getting a bit tedious.
What do you say?

he he

Contractors dont usualy work PAYE, certainly not when I did it.....you got 6 weeks or 3 months etc, and you had to take the best offer on the table at that moment in time....this is no different.

This post has been edited by Spinach chin: 26 September 2011 - 01:33 AM

[metallilad]

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This post has been edited by metallilad: 26 September 2011 - 05:23 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 26 September 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

you expect a player to turn down a double your money offer in a career that wont be much more than a decade, for loyalty?

What loyalty is shown by clubs? do they offer 10 year contracts? no

Imagine a contractor ion a building site - would you expect him to stay on your site for the 1 years work on offer or move to another site for higher wages/longer contract.

You cant compare a footballer to a steady PAYE job.

Its nonsense to even try the comparison



Ahem. Your contradicting yourself again.
Give it up.

How so?

Short term contractors have to chase the money....so do footballers.

To comapre (or try to) that to steady, longterm careers on PAYE is silly

I just dont get how you can say a footballer who takes a better offer is disloyal...he was only offered a one year deal by us when he came to chesterfield....he fullfilled his contract and moved to a better paying job.

He didnt ask for a move during his contract, didnt refuse to play etc.
I dont see the problem.

This post has been edited by Spinach chin: 26 September 2011 - 05:35 PM

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 26 September 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

How so?

Short term contractors have to chase the money....so do footballers.

To comapre (or try to) that to steady, longterm careers on PAYE is silly

I just dont get how you can say a footballer who takes a better offer is disloyal...he was only offered a one year deal by us when he came to chesterfield....he fullfilled his contract and moved to a better paying job.

He didnt ask for a move during his contract, didnt refuse to play etc.
I dont see the problem.

Where have I took it upon myself to do that?
I have replied to questions and statements that have been made but not once have I instigated any posts doing just that!

Your trying to change my views on this and it aint gonna happen luv so don't bother.
I have told you why I don't like Craig Davies and all you've come back with is silly little comparisons and then tried to blame me for them.

I assume your reading these posts yourself, not one of your loved ones so I will say this to you once more.
When Craig Davies was interviewed on the radio at the end of the Gillingham match he said that he would love to stay here because he loved the fans, players and management. One month later he signed a pre contract agreement with Barnsley. ONE MONTH!! Sheridan knew he was going cos it was banded about in the press that Donaldson was in talks with us, that Davies was leaving.
If you love something could you turn your back on it ONE MONTH LATER?

I have tried to make this as clear and concise as possible for you but if you need any help just let me know and I'll try to figure out a way that can help you.